Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

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Agreed; I think the freaking out is a bit overdone, but I can see why some people are frustrated.

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Thoughts on the future of WP 7.X

I cant help feel disappointed when todays news hit me.

My HTC Titan which is just a few months old and was supposed to be a flagship model, the best WP-phone at the moment, just got obsolete.

For me it is not about version numbers or a need to have the latest OS.

Since I bought my Titan I have realized how unmature WP 7.5 is in many ways. IT IS a great looking, smooth OS, but some really basic and important functions are missing. As well as enterprise support is totaly forgotten.

I know many people have the same experience as me, and when reading in the forums the answer is always the same: "WP 7 is a new OS so wait until Apollo." "Apollo will bring this, Apollo will bring that".

I was fine with that, because when I bought the the Titan I believed that i was going to have support for a couple of years, Windows Phone was quite new at the time an buying the flagship model would give me a device that would grow with Windows Phone.

So I got fooled big time.

It will not be upgradeable to Apollo and it is not even be able to use the Nokia Lumia apps. As far as we know it will get WP 7.8 with a new start screen and probably some functions that mimic WP 8 in some way.

No native apps/games. Probably not any support for apps running in the background, enterprise functions etc.

And then what? Microsoft wont support two different phone platforms, when they start to push WP 8 into the market WP 7 WILL be EOL in a short while.

Microsoft confirmed that apps designed for Windows Phone 8 will NOT be compatible with Windows Phone 7.

And remember, Windows Phone 7 will reach its peak in active users very soon, then the already very small marketshare will shrink really quick since no new devices will be sold.

Therefore app companies and developers will abandon the platform quite soon in favour for the new and much more future-proof WP 8/Win RT/Win 8 platform.

(See how Nokia did with Symbian, as soon as they said that they were going to phase out Symbian, no one wanted to develop for the platform even though Nokia has promised support and updates until 2016.)

So, not only will my HTC Titan forever be missing the functionality and updates that would make WP7 an more mature OS, it will never get the apps that I have been waiting for.
 
Relax Guys, No Surprises Here

Fellow members, it's been rumored now for weeks that legacy devices weren't getting Apollo. Why are you all so surprised and upset? I've read somewhere on these boards that MS used WP7 as a beta test. Well, let me tell you something, y'all brought this on yourselves. Follow me for a second. During the time of WM6.1 everybody was clamoring for an update because there were rumors of a Windows Mobile 7. Everybody wanted capacitive screens with pinch-to-zoom, etc. MS gives us WM6.5 (sound familiar) as an update while the new OS is polished. The clamoring got louder after 6.5 and MS rushed WP7 to market before it was done baking. The clamoring reached a fever pitch when there were no ringtones, copy & paste, etc.

Here we are again, forums have beaten WP7 to a pulp because of single-core processors, crappy cameras, low screen resolutions, etc. MS knew they couldn't re-do WP7 to meet the moaning crowds' wishes so they gave us Mango to hold us over until the "next big thing". Now it's here and we're right back where we were 2-1/2 years ago. WP7 apps weren't compatible with WinMo, and now WP8 apps won't work on WP7.

Go ahead and keep on trying to keep up with the Joneses, or Androids. MS will gladly oblige, just don't complain when it happens.
 
After seeing this quoted again, I feel the need to directly respond. ;)

I really regret the day I switched to WP. What's up with all these platform instability since WM 6.5? Why do they keep on changing stuff that worries poor consumers. A lot of people really need to be sacked from MS for making stupid decisions.

They're trying to create a real game-changing platform. Do you really think that they could have done this building on the base of WM?

I really don't care about the stupid looks they announced.....all I care about is being supported.

They announced support for you. It's called WP 7.8, and despite what you have told yourself, MS has not said that that is the end of the line for your current device.

Microsoft has confirmed that WP8 apps WILL NOT RUN in WP7.x. How many developers do you really think are going to design for WP7 now? To tell y'all the truth, there will be no support for WP7.x when WP8 comes out. I need support for apps not stupid looks.
Currently we (WP7.x) users are still fighting and praying for apps to come out, now with the announcement of this, I guess all ideas will be dropped and shifted to WP8...WTF! Is this some sort of Marketing strategy or what?

Unless a developer needs the WP 8-specific APIs, it makes the most sense to make their app WP 7.5 compatible. And once again, MS did not say that support for current devices is done with WP 7.8. In fact, with the focus on low end "Tango" devices, they are hinting that they are going to continue to support non-WP 8 devices.


Why didn't they decide all this kernel change before releasing WP7? We would have all be able to upgrade peacefully. With this I really think they'll change the kernel again when WP9 comes out and the cycle continues again.....why Microsoft? Are you guys some college and high school dudes with no PhD holders amongst you? Thus accounting for the stupid decisions you make to hurt our feelings and steal our money.

No software has been released in production form that is based on the Windows 8 kernel today, so how could that have happened 18+ months ago? That is just a silly question. And after MS was so slow (and for good reason) to change the Windows kernel before Windows 8, what makes you think that they are going to change it quickly now? And why would they put so much effort into unifying WP with Windows kernel to just undo all of that with "WP 9"?

I don't buy phones cheap because phones here are not carrier based and on contract....they are all unbranded and ****ing expensive. When will I ever get a WP8 device? My current phone is less than 14months old and you really wanna make me buy a ****ing expensive phone again or still use my device like a Symbian phone? This is just stupid.

They aren't making you buy anything. They hope you are enjoying your current device enough that you decide to get a WP 8 device next.

I now understand and know that using a WP7.x was really a beta test.
I'm really pissed and just gonna throw my Stupid WP away and even switch. What's up with all these stupid changes and instability with the platform....****ers! :@

So you're complaining about "being forced" to buy a new WP device, but you are willing to voluntarily buy another OS' device?
 
I really regret the day I switched to WP. What's up with all these platform instability since WM 6.5? Why do they keep on changing stuff that worries poor consumers. A lot of people really need to be sacked from MS for making stupid decisions.
I really don't care about the stupid looks they announced.....all I care about is being supported.

Microsoft has confirmed that WP8 apps WILL NOT RUN in WP7.x. How many developers do you really think are going to design for WP7 now? To tell y'all the truth, there will be no support for WP7.x when WP8 comes out. I need support for apps not stupid looks.
Currently we (WP7.x) users are still fighting and praying for apps to come out, now with the announcement of this, I guess all ideas will be dropped and shifted to WP8...WTF! Is this some sort of Marketing strategy or what? Why didn't they decide all this kernel change before releasing WP7? We would have all be able to upgrade peacefully. With this I really think they'll change the kernel again when WP9 comes out and the cycle continues again.....why Microsoft? Are you guys some college and high school dudes with no PhD holders amongst you? Thus accounting for the stupid decisions you make to hurt our feelings and steal our money. I don't buy phones cheap because phones here are not carrier based and on contract....they are all unbranded and ****ing expensive. When will I ever get a WP8 device? My current phone is less than 14months old and you really wanna make me buy a ****ing expensive phone again or still use my device like a Symbian phone? This is just stupid.

I now understand and know that using a WP7.x was really a beta test.
I'm really pissed and just gonna throw my Stupid WP away and even switch. What's up with all these stupid changes and instability with the platform....****ers! :@

If you continue buying WP7 apps then I (and others) have every incentive to continue developing them. At present, there's an established WP7 market, one that I'm doing quite well off of. When WP8 launches it will take a good few months (or longer, depending on it's success) for the install base to catch up with Windows Phone 7.

As I see things right now, it makes every ounce of sense for me to keep developing on WP7. By doing that, I can target all existing WP users along with all of the ones that join with WP8. When WP8 revenue becomes significant I will port existing apps to WP8 and W8 to take advantage of the new features. All new apps will continue to be built on WP7, with WP8 and W8 ports following close behind. When WP8 revenue overtakes WP7 revenue, this situation will reverse. I'll start developing for either W8 or WP8 first, then port to the other, then to WP7. Hopefully I will continue to support WP7 for some time, but it completely depends on the revenue from the platform and the resources that I have available; if my time is more valuable elsewhere then there's a danger that I will shift away from the old platform. I expect that day is at least 12 months away (and even then, expect bug fixes).

Any other developers on the board? Thoughts?
 
Work with carriers to make a special upgrade program for those who bought one of the newer Windows Phone in 2012 such as Lumia 900, Focus 2, and Titan II.

What I'm trying to say is to find a way to delight those who bought one of the "newer" phones.

Agree? Disagree? Other suggestions?

EDIT: By "special upgrade" I mean a super early upgrade to a WP8 phone.

EDIT 2: Making a note that it is perfectly understood that Microsoft and their partners may very well do nothing, but it would be nice if they did. That is the gist of this post.

Apple did this when the iphone 3g came out, anybody who bought the orginal iphone got the 3g and 3gs in 1 year cycles ....
 
All I gotta say is this: Windows Mobile users probably felt the same way you all did before WP7. Everything else I've already expressed
 
Think what would happen if Apple or Google would have an event and state that they will release the next iOS or Android in 4 months and then you have to buy a new phone to get it. Apple upgrades 3 year old devices and Google tries to convince the OEMs to follow the "upgrade for 18 months"-policy.

But even if many Android phone have to wait forever for an upgrade, Android 2.X is still much more mature then WP 7 and has a enormous user base and therefore a massive app developer support.

Of course there is always new hardware features, both in iOS, Android and WP which older devices cant take use of.

But WP 7 users will not even get all the software features of WP 8, and sooner then we know the apps will stop coming to us...
 
Think what would happen if Apple or Google would have an event and state that they will release the next iOS or Android in 4 months and then you have to buy a new phone to get it. Apple upgrades 3 year old devices and Google tries to convince the OEMs to follow the "upgrade for 18 months"-policy.

But even if many Android phone have to wait forever for an upgrade, Android 2.X is still much more mature then WP 7 and has a enormous user base and therefore a massive app developer support.

Of course there is always new hardware features, both in iOS, Android and WP which older devices cant take use of.

But WP 7 users will not even get all the software features of WP 8, and sooner then we know the apps will stop coming to us...


Apple did that with 5.0. 3GS owners basically got something similar to a 7.8 update. Android users are considered lucky to even SEE an update.

2.X is more mature in pertaining to.....?

And you know your last statement based on.....?
 
LMAO @ these topics being merged. I love it

Damage control, they are trying to make it look like there's not a dozen topics of people disappointed.

Anyway yeah, Windows Phone 7 needed to die. We need top or the line phones and these weak processors can't handle it. ( lol at all the guys that gave me a hard time because I complained about the phones being too low end and that Apollo was not going to be a real thing). My hunch was right.

Bring Windows Phone 8, bring up the future.
 
As someone that had an iPhone 3GS when IOS4 was released I think this is a good call by MS. I would rather have my Lumia 900 run smoothly on WP7.8 than bog it down with software for features I can't even use.
 
Damage control, they are trying to make it look like there's not a dozen topics of people disappointed.

Anyway yeah, Windows Phone 7 needed to die. We need top or the line phones and these weak processors can't handle it. ( lol at all the guys that gave me a hard time because I complained about the phones being too low end and that Apollo was not going to be a real thing). My hunch was right.

Bring Windows Phone 8, bring up the future.

I don't know why I entertain you, but I will

How is it damage control when you can STILL SEE THE SEPARATE TOPICS and you can see them in the TOP TOPICS at the top of the forum? Please, shush. You prematurely speak upon things you THINK you know but you never seem to exactly have the right answer. It was obviously done for trolling/flooding purposes.

Windows Phone has not died. And as far as that other bogusness, EVERYONE knew that Apollo was going to bring some major differences but were negating that we needed it. Hearing it is NICE to hear all the same. And legacy devices will be supported still, so sit down

Hopefully in the future your participation will be minimal
 
Apple did that with 5.0. 3GS owners basically got something similar to a 7.8 update. Android users are considered lucky to even SEE an update.

2.X is more mature in pertaining to.....?

And you know your last statement based on.....?

Okay, iPhone 3GS was at that point over 2 years old, and it can still run a majority of the apps in App Store.

With Windows Phone they are still selling new phones just months before the major upgrade of the OS which will make them incompatible with new apps.

And when it comes to Androind my point was just that, it does not matter that much if the device gets an update or not (even though most of them do within 18 months), Android 2.X and soon 4.X has such huge userbase so they will never be left out of the eco system just months after they are released.

I base my last statement on the fact that WP 8 runs another kernel, and with only months to release, MS will concentrate on getting WP 8 polished and pushed to market, rather then porting/developing features for WP 7 which soon will be obsolete. Features we have been wishing for ever since the release of WP 7.

Makes no sense why MS would give WP7 a big overhaul just before they will phase it out.
 
My reason not to upgrade

I have been thinking of upgrading my Nokia N8 to a Lumia 900, but it looks like i will just hang on to it for a while longer to see what comes next, mainly due to the lack of info re features of WP 7.8 and also WP 8.

I really don't see any point of upgrading your phone to a newer handset if all you get is a bigger screen with higher res, just seams pointless.

I have not been able to find a phone that does everything my N8 does.

And no I am not interested in getting an Iphone, or an Android device (however I may have to bite the bullet if WP8 does not compare).

ps The main issue I have with all the current devices is social networking integration which I do not, nor will ever use. (My N8 wants to install the Social update app which I removed when i got the device.)
 
Damage control, they are trying to make it look like there's not a dozen topics of people disappointed.

Anyway yeah, Windows Phone 7 needed to die. We need top or the line phones and these weak processors can't handle it. ( lol at all the guys that gave me a hard time because I complained about the phones being too low end and that Apollo was not going to be a real thing). My hunch was right.

Bring Windows Phone 8, bring up the future.

Damage control? O_o

This is how it's supposed to be, one thread for the same topic, not ten duplicate threads. This is the only forum I've been a member of where duplicate threads always seem to pop up.
 
I think there is some misunderstanding as why so many of us are disappointed in MS's announcement. If you own a Focus, DVP, or Trophy (like myself) then whatever you don't really care about not getting WP8 that much. BUT, Nokia has been marketing the beejesus out of the Lumia line and is the majority Windows Phone OEM now if I am not mistaken. So that coupled with the fact that Microsoft purposely did not come out and state the upgrade path for current devices seems shady. However, its business and everyone knows Microsoft is not going to come out and say "yeah go ahead buy that Lumia, it won't be getting upgraded though." Nokia would have been SOL. The thing is, it looks bad. We have such a small market share as it is and even though I will be sticking with MS and their platform I worry for how this will resonate. Plus think about this. Everyone who writes on this forum follows the technology scene somewhat. What about the people who don't? What about the people who buy the Lumia 900 in the coming months (GOD bless their soul) and when a cool new app comes along they can't get it because they don't have WP8.
 
Okay, iPhone 3GS was at that point over 2 years old, and it can still run a majority of the apps in App Store.

With Windows Phone they are still selling new phones just months before the major upgrade of the OS which will make them incompatible with new apps.

And when it comes to Androind my point was just that, it does not matter that much if the device gets an update or not (even though most of them do within 18 months), Android 2.X and soon 4.X has such huge userbase so they will never be left out of the eco system just months after they are released.

I base my last statement on the fact that WP 8 runs another kernel, and with only months to release, MS will concentrate on getting WP 8 polished and pushed to market, rather then porting/developing features for WP 7 which soon will be obsolete.

Please take that and run with it. What you saw: WP7 won't be supported anymore. What was said: WP8 won't have backwards compatibility unless the developer makes one for 7.8. Android does it all the time, it's not impossible.

Tell that to my aunt and her new Samsung Galaxy phone. No not the newest, the first edition. She can't sideload apk's on her phone so she can't get the new market, she can't play quite a few current games, so she's not in the loop. So no, your argument is NOT supported by all devices.

I don't deny that obsolete is not in the future for WP7 but it's not happening anytime soon. It's about to happen for the 3GS soon enough, it's happening to a lot of newly released Android devices, and it'll happen to WP7. In reality, the update span has been on pace with iOS. The only people that it should sting a little is Lumia/Titan owners and even then, they see an update.

And yes, let's continue with Android. Remember when Netflix and hulu came out and only a handful of devices were supported? See how long that took for all devices to get a chance? Remember how long it even took for it to come out? There are PLENTY of games that I try to download on my Mytouch that can't work because of my processor. Eventually, fixes became available for the majority of Android's market to work across the board. But don't sit here and pretend right now that it's always been that way. It hasn't. WP8 hasn't even came out yet and you don't know what fixes or substitutions they have in store.
 
As someone that had an iPhone 3GS when IOS4 was released I think this is a good call by MS. I would rather have my Lumia 900 run smoothly on WP7.8 than bog it down with software for features I can't even use.

At least Apple gave 3GS users the choice to upgrade or not. What I have Heard iOS 4 is working okay on 3GS while iOS 5 is missing some features. 3GS was 12 months when iOS 4 was released and 24 months old when iOS 5 came.

Your Nokia N900 will be 4 months old when its OS will be phased out with no option to upgrade.
 
I think there is some misunderstanding as why so many of us are disappointed in MS's announcement. If you own a Focus, DVP, or Trophy (like myself) then whatever you don't really care about not getting WP8 that much. BUT, Nokia has been marketing the beejesus out of the Lumia line and is the majority Windows Phone OEM now if I am not mistaken. So that coupled with the fact that Microsoft purposely did not come out and state the upgrade path for current devices seems shady. However, its business and everyone knows Microsoft is not going to come out and say "yeah go ahead buy that Lumia, it won't be getting upgraded though." Nokia would have been SOL. The thing is, it looks bad. We have such a small market share as it is and even though I will be sticking with MS and their platform I worry for how this will resonate. Plus think about this. Everyone who writes on this forum follows the technology scene somewhat. What about the people who don't? What about the people who buy the Lumia 900 in the coming months (GOD bless their soul) and when a cool new app comes along they can't get it because they don't have WP8.

They're probably those that will look for Draw Something/ Words With Friends that will become available to them later on this year. Again, yes be upset that you're not getting an update, but don't act like you're not getting anything. As far as this whole app capatibility, we have NO CLUE what apps outside of what was announced won't be available for every device.
 
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