Legacy PHones no Apollo Update, will get 7.8 update

[cckgz4]

Why are there people still arguing on MS behalf. Why MS is changing the kernel is because the old kernel is deficient. SUpport of multi core and nfc does not need a new kernel. Making a new kernel more compatible with windows 8 implies the new kernel is less compatible with wp7 ---> less chance that new apps will work on wp7. I seriously doubt those people are arguing on ms behalf are real users. They are from Microsoft. I had two titans.I just have one now. Sold one and bought an iphone 4s (unlocked through rebel4s). Going to buy another and sell another titan. I am leaving windows phone for good. Bought the titans for 6 months and it is going to be discontinued. It is a "good ecosystem"

Bye

As someone that is also an adopter of a new WP 7.5 device that's locked into contract for 2 years before I can upgrade, this matter is not the end all nor does it makes me want to leave. If I REALLY want a WP8 device so bad because there's SO much missing in 7.8 (since we're ***uming), I'll find ways around it. In the meantime, my feelings for why I bought this phone in the first place stay the same. No other UI/OS can provide the same experience that I get from Windows Phone.

 

[petersun21]

How MS has treated you and me

"It was right after Windows Phone 7," Sullivan said, speaking in an interview with CNET UK. The team that developed the 7.5 release actually was working in parallel with the core team that was already beginning [Windows Phone 8]. In fact some of that work was already initiated before Windows Phone 7 was even available -- so this goes back a little bit."


"It is true that this is a generational shift -- that is a rare occurrence, but it's something we don't expect to have happen again in the foreseeable future because of the headspace that the new architecture gives us."

 

[HeyCori]

"It was right after Windows Phone 7," Sullivan said, speaking in an interview with CNET UK. The team that developed the 7.5 release actually was working in parallel with the core team that was already beginning [Windows Phone 8]. In fact some of that work was already initiated before Windows Phone 7 was even available -- so this goes back a little bit."


"It is true that this is a generational shift -- that is a rare occurrence, but it's something we don't expect to have happen again in the foreseeable future because of the headspace that the new architecture gives us."

This did not need two threads.

 

[selfcreation]

"It is true that this is a generational shift -- that is a rare occurrence, but it's something we don't expect to have happen again in the foreseeable future because of the headspace that the new architecture gives us."

im soo happy to hear that I just hope its true! :happy:

 

[petersun21]

Microsoft: We've only shown you a minority of consumer features in Windows Phone 8

I assume WP7.8 users are going to miss all of those features.

 

[Flan Tamarind]

Hey! If you only got on the WP bandwagon to be a cool kid, then go back to Android/iOS.

I'm honestly tired of all these people crying. I own 2 incompatible WP7.5 devices. Guess what? I'm buying a WP8 this fall with a contracl renewal. I bought an HTC Radar off contract KNOWNING I wouldn't get the upgrade. Why? Because I love the platform. When I look at my phone and try to do something with it, it does exactly what I want. The smooth animation, fast response time, and general asthetic of the OS brings me back multiple times a day just to look at the same apps.

My Android from last year couldn't keep my attention and that phone ran Froyo with an 800mhz chip, where as both of my WP7.5 devices run 1GHz with larger screens. Not to mention that my Froyo device never recieved an update to 2.3 officially and I don't care to root my devices as the potential for bricking something I paid for is not enjoyable. I don't care how many one click rooting tools there are for android devices. I shouldn't need to root my device to get the best out of it. That's foolishness.

Some people are claiming that this is worse than deserting Windows Mobile for Windows Phone. Nope, not by a long shot. Actually, this is a much better propositiopn that alot of people realize. One of my pet peeves with Android is that, depending on your hardware, the apps that you can get may not even run on your device. Not only that, there is no way other than searching apps reviews to see if your device will run it without fail before downloading it. As I see it, WP legacy users never have, and never will, need to worry about this. The platform is constructed such that, for the most part, all WP legacy devices can download and use any "Metro" apps from now till people stop using legacy devices. Since the legacy market share is so much larger than WP8, for now, we will keep seeing legacy apps being created as they are easily emulated on WP8. And now all those people who we're complaining about Windows Phone killing all their Windows Mobile apps can look forward to those developers porting their native code to WP8.

If Microsoft had stuck with the CE kernel, we would never see this move to native code. CE by nature does not run on multi-core devices. In order to make that work, the kernel would have to be rewritten. Doesn't it just make a WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE to use the Win8 kernel instead and open the possibilities of a completely connected home and personal network?

 

[socialcarpet]

Well, I think Nokias share price says it all.

When Nokias share price already have been free falling and most people thought it couldnt go much lower, this WP8 news brings it down an gigantic 11,4 % on the Helsinki Stock Market and over 11 % on Nasdaq OMX.

Strange, both WP8 and WP7.8 should be great news for Nokia Lumia owners, or? People doesnt seem to really agree with that...

Nokia's stock price, like any company's stock price, is determined by many different variables. Most of it is speculation, what people who invest THINK the relative value of the company is in the SHORT term.

It's not a very good way to evaluate anything else, i.e. the actual soundness of Nokia's products, or the future of Windows Phone, or even the future of Nokia. You can be sure the biggest reason the stock went down again is that "the market" felt that sales of Lumia's might drop due to the news that they wouldn't' be upgradeable to WP8. The truth is, so far they haven't really. Most of that doubt is fueled by the loudmouthed idiots who are running all over the internet crying about WP8 upgrades and stupid bloggers saying it's the apocalypse. Unfortunately "the market" listens to people like that and actually believes they know what they're talking about.

Meanwhile the average consumer has no idea about WP8 and could not possibly care less about ridiculous nerd crap like updating kernels. The vast majority of people out there see the Lumia commercial and they come in an buy a phone and they really aren't going to care that they can't upgrade their stupid OS as long as it does what they want it to now. Especially on phones that range from $49-99 on with a contract.

So if you've been whining all over the internet about not getting a WP8 upgrade AND you're concerned about Nokia's stock price and/or the future of Windows Phone, then pat yourself on the back. Nice work. The uninformed FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) you're vomiting all over the place is helping to further undermine both Nokia's stock price AND the public's confidence in Windows Phone. Keep up the good work.

 

[socialcarpet]

Seriously dude? You know the difference between what is feasible and what is not. Or do you? SmartGlass requires no additional hardware, no finer resolution, and no NFC. It is just another app that is being developed.

You're EXACTLY what this forum does not need. Yet another person who has nothing to contribute but complaints about what Windows Phone doesn't do and cry about how you're a helpless victim because you can't upgrade your current phone with WP8.

You're not getting WP8 on your current phone. You're probably not getting anything much more than a new start screen, none of us are. Stop crying about it like a child, it is going to make NO difference and all you're doing is dragging down morale and contributing nothing to these forums. No one wants to read your complaints. Enough.

Get over it already and move on. It's over.

 

[mb-dape]

Nokia's stock price, like any company's stock price, is determined by many different variables. Most of it is speculation, what people who invest THINK the relative value of the company is in the SHORT term.

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Please give me a link to the Lumia sales figures you are talking about, it would honestly be interesting to see.

Your excuse for Nokias falling stock price is just pathetic, cant you see that whoever you want to blame, it always comes back to MS and Nokia?
First, the "market" didnt have time to surf on the web to read forums and blogs, the reaction was immediate after MS announcement.
Second, if MS had this event, where they presented WP8 and WP7.8 with no option to upgrade, and peoples, press and analytics first impression was disappointment, you better blame MS right?

You see my point? If its like you say that people on the internet is crying and undermining Nokia and WP, well I guess there is one solution, threat them better! Even idiots, stupid bloggers or what you call them, are just as entitled as you to have an opinion. Hello, its 2012, dont you think bad publicity on the internet is a known phenomena?

If MS and Nokia didnt want this kind of publicity they could have either given better information about the benefits of WP7.8 and how WP7 would live on, OR give the existing Gen 2-users WP8, which actually is not to much to demand.

I agree that there are better things then stock value to evaluate the soundness of Nokias products. So what should we look into? The Q1 loss of 1,7 billion USD? The merely 2 million Lumias sold since launch? Nokias/WP total market share?

The fact that Nokias all current devices suddenly got outdated and their OS is being phased out WILL effect sales. How much we will see.

Probably you will call this FUD too, but at least it is not uninformed this time.

 

[socialcarpet]

To you fan boys that says that we who bought a device for what it could become and not for what it was are idiots

No, you're the idiot for buying a smartphone and assuming anything regarding future OS updates. Smartphones are not PC's.

I ask you:

If you buy a top of line Windows PC, dont you expect it to run the latest OS and apps in at least a couple of years (except games)?

Smartphones are not PC's.

If you buy a newly released gaming console, dont you expect it to be supported with updates and games for a couple of years?

You didn't buy a newly released gaming console. You didnt just buy the first Nintendo DS, You bought the equivalent of a Nintendo DSi XL and now you're complaining because they've announced the 3DS is coming out next year and your DSi XL won't run 3DS games. Windows Phone has been out for going on 3 years now. It's not new.

But again, applying analogies from completely unrelated products with different development cycles is not helpful here, so lets try to avoid it.

If I buy the most expensive WP smartphone (which is a small computer/entertainment device) why am I an idiot who expect something like that?

You shouldn't assume anything. If you had been reading anything about Windows Phone, you'd have known a long while ago that WP8 was coming and that it was based off a completely new kernel and there was no guarantee either implied or expressed that you would be able to upgrade a current phone to the new OS. It's a bummer, sure, but it's not the end of the world. Buying a smartphone not because of what it can do now, but in anticipation of some unknown future OS updates is idiotic, yes.

My HTC Titan costed more then a Xbox 360 when the 360 was released and my console has been supported for almost 7 years now. While Titans and WP7.5 support is being phased out within a year...

Smartphones and game consoles aren't the same thing. Not even remotely close. The cycle between generations of console games is HUGE compared to smartphones. If you know even the smallest thing about technology, you should know this.

You say nobody except nerds care about being able to upgrade. How come MS did wait with the announcement until after the (last?) WP7.5 device (Lumia 900) was released?

Probably because they didn't want to torpedo the sales of the Lumia 900. Most people don't care and won't be affected in any meaningful way, but they (correctly) predicted that a bunch of whiners would get on the Internet immediately afterwards and declare it the end of the universe and suddenly the Lumia 900 is "obsolete crap" which of course isn't true and is meaningless to 95% of the phone buyers out there.

If the Lumia 900 hadn't gotten out the door, there's a good chance Nokia would have been done for. They may still be, and then there would be no Lumia 1000 or whatever running WP8 and we'd either be stuck with some crappy Samsung or HTC Android re-runs on WP8, or nothing.

How come the Nokia share price took one of the deepest falls ever at the same time as the annoncement was made, even though the very promising WP8 was also revealed then?

Because the stock market listens to people like you and thinks they speak for consumers at large, which isn't true. Only reason any normal person isn't buying a Lumia 900 now over WP8 is because idiots keep telling them the sky is falling. Meanwhile the reality is WP7 apps will be continue to be made for a least a year, along with WP7 phones, there are 100,000 apps in the market and WP8 will have no effect on how a normal person uses their phone. It doesn't matter.

But the most irritating thing is that the same fan boys that laughed at Android and iOS for having so badly written OSes that needed multicore, lot of RAM, GPU etc, are the same fan boys that now laughs at us users that actually believed them that this hardware wasnt necessary to run a modern smartphone OS.

Nonsense. Dual core still isn't necessary. iPhones without dual cores run the latest OS. There are plenty of single core Androids still being sold brand new now too, some are even 1 ghz.

Multiple cores just make it possible to do more.

I don't laugh at iOS, it's not "badly written" at all and anyone who's says it is, is an idiot.

I do laugh at Android, that's because even with 4 cores the OS still lags and because generally it's a case study on what not to do when it comes to designing a clean, cohesive UI. Android has so much that is laugh-worthy that I don't even have time to type it all here.

The bottom line is Microsoft had a choice to make and they made it. They had to move on to a more modern kernel if Windows Phone was to have a future. They aren't wasting time and energy trying to make it backwards compatible for everyone because it is far more important that it be as modern as possible so we won't be doing this again in 3-4 years.

If a clean break with the CE kerneled WP 7.5 is what that took, then so be it. People really need to stop crying about this already. By the time your tears dry, your contract will be up and it will be time for you to get a new phone anyway, so just LET IT GO.

 

[mb-dape]

You're EXACTLY what this forum does not need. Yet another person who has nothing to contribute but complaints about what Windows Phone doesn't do and cry about how you're a helpless victim because you can't upgrade your current phone with WP8.

You're not getting WP8 on your current phone. You're probably not getting anything much more than a new start screen, none of us are. Stop crying about it like a child, it is going to make NO difference and all you're doing is dragging down morale and contributing nothing to these forums. No one wants to read your complaints. Enough.

Get over it already and move on. It's over.

Who are you to say what this forum does not need? In that case I dont think the forum needs you either, a person who are so blinded by love to a brand that every criticism feels personal for you.

If his posts are dragging down your moral and you dont want to read them, there is one simple solution. Just dont read them. There are 1000 other threads for you here.

If people is feeling abandoned and disappointed with MS, what is the problem with people expressing this? Of course MS have PR people scanning the internet. I understand that complaining in forums wont give us WP8, but it is certainly not impossible that the consumers reaction to the no upgrade-news will be taken into consideration when finalizing which features will be included in WP7.8.

 

[socialcarpet]

Blah blah blah blah

Probably you will call this FUD too, but at least it is not uninformed this time.

No, I don't see your point.

Nokia's stock price is falling for a lot of reasons, definitely not just because of WP8, although that's what you and others have implied.

In the end, it really just doesn't matter, that was MY point.

The thing that is truly pathetic is how people are turning the WP8 thing into a ridiculous crusade about how they've been "wronged".

I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to be able to honestly say I DON'T CARE. I got my phone for free. I like it. Now I'm going to go outside and play with my dog. Have fun worrying about a phone OS for the rest of your Sunday afternoon and feeling like a martyr like Microsoft and Nokia physically violated you with a police baton.

If I ever care as much about a phone OS update as some of you do, I think I'd just shoot myself and end it. :lol:

 

[socialcarpet]

Who are you to say what this forum does not need? In that case I dont think the forum needs you either, a person who are so blinded by love to a brand that every criticism feels personal for you.

If his posts are dragging down your moral and you dont want to read them, there is one simple solution. Just dont read them. There are 1000 other threads for you here.

If people is feeling abandoned and disappointed with MS, what is the problem with people expressing this? Of course MS have PR people scanning the internet. I understand that complaining in forums wont give us WP8, but it is certainly not impossible that the consumers reaction to the no upgrade-news will be taken into consideration when finalizing which features will be included in WP7.8.

I'm not blinded by love. I'll buy an iPhone if I'm not happy with what Microsoft or Nokia have for me in a year and a half.

All I know is I used to enjoy this forum a lot more before it became infested by people who LITERALLY post NOTHING but complaints about the lack of a WP8 upgrade path.

I know I'm not alone in that. Do you think people log in here because they want to read impotent rage about something NONE of us can do anything about? I doubt it.

I'm sure Microsoft and Nokia pay attention to forums, but I'm equally as certain that reading your constant *****ing has absolutely no bearing on what features they will include in 7.8. Believe me those decisions have already been made and they are not made based upon your complaints or the complaints of anyone like you.

The power we have as consumers is the power of choice. Don't like Windows Phone? Don't use it. Go buy an Android or an iPhone. Real simple. But once you make a choice, make peace with it. It's just a phone. Not worth injecting complaints into every orifice of the Internet over stuff you cannot change.

 

[socialcarpet]

You guys are lucky I'm not the moderator of this forum.

I'd go over the population and weed out the 15-20 people that literally joined JUST to complain. If your first post was a complaint. You're out. If 90% of your posts since have been crying about no WP8 update. You're out.

It would be the best thing that ever happened here.

 

[mb-dape]

No, you're the idiot...

Okay, there is not much in your post that is worth replying to, but seriously, what is your problem...

This is a forum, people here have opinions, they argue, they complain, they cry and sometimes they do not agree. It is called discussion. It shouldnt be a problem if people have different views on products, companies etc.

But your opinion here is that people who dont say what you like to hear is idiots?!

If you havent noticed after 20+ pages, this thread is filled with whiners, idiots and whatever you call us that does not agree that it was a good decision to not upgrade WP7.

Believe it or not, my world is not falling apart and I am not crying any tears because of WP8. I rarely think about it, other then times like tonight when I have some time over and feels like discussing. I am just as happy as before.

I dont mind you calling me an idiot, because as they say, "you know you have won the discussion when your opponent is using personal attacks".

 

[mb-dape]

You guys are lucky I'm not the moderator of this forum.

I'd go over the population and weed out the 15-20 people that literally joined JUST to complain. If your first post was a complaint. You're out. If 90% of your posts since have been crying about no WP8 update. You're out.

It would be the best thing that ever happened here.

Yeah, you should know how lucky I am

One of the main things about a forum is that it is a place for people who want to complain and have problems. As well it is a place for people that want to tell other how much they love this or that product.

So, since you think this is a thread for idiots, why dont you go find your self an "I love WP7"-thread instead?

I have seen your type before, I think there is one reason you can not stay away from thread, the same reason you are getting more and more desperate when your arguments doesnt hold up.

You are actually the most disappointed person here, afraid that your Nokia 900 will become obsolete within months.

And you are just trying to convince others and thereby yourself that there is nothing to worry about, by arguing here and call us with different views for idiots.

If YOU were perfectly happy, you wouldnt be here. Simple.

 

[petersun21]

sounds like China or North Korea

You guys are lucky I'm not the moderator of this forum.

I'd go over the population and weed out the 15-20 people that literally joined JUST to complain. If your first post was a complaint. You're out. If 90% of your posts since have been crying about no WP8 update. You're out.

It would be the best thing that ever happened here.

How about everyone is out so that no one buys windows phone anymore?

Microsfot ensured wp8 is going to be compatible with wp7 apps so that wp8 has apps to use when launched. It is very self serving.

Microsoft did not say anything about future wp8 apps' compatibility with wp7, that implies majority of new apps will not be compatible.

Microsoft knew that wp7 would be a discontinued OS and still preached it to be the OS of the future. Still sold it to users or consumers as an ecosystem of the future.

Technically, there is no good reason not to update current wp7 devices to wp8. Microsoft still decided not to update.

I supported WP7 because I want to support competition. I do not want a mobile phone world dominated by IOS and android. It was not because wp7 was better. I still have one titan left and I was reminded this morning that WP7 still needs to improve. I could not copy a phone number from my e-mail to my dialer. I still could not enlarge my text messages. The tuner application on my daugher's android phone and ipod are still way better than accurate tuner on my windows phone.

Coming back to censorship, Communist China used exactly the same excuse to censor the internet, "because you are wrong." Who is the judge?

I feel bad for Nokia. I hope Nokia's plan B is to develop android phones. Microsoft sold its discontinued OS to Nokia that is facing bankrupcy. How about millions of Nokia's share holders? Do not tell anyone Microsoft's decision did not impact them.

 

[Budule]

You guys are lucky I'm not the moderator of this forum.

I'd go over the population and weed out the 15-20 people that literally joined JUST to complain. If your first post was a complaint. You're out. If 90% of your posts since have been crying about no WP8 update. You're out.

It would be the best thing that ever happened here.

Another Moderator want-a-be.....sad....how can you do that and still play with your dog?.......also, if 90% of your post are , well, like yours, you should be out too.....you have done more "whinning" about people "whinning" than there were people actually "whinning".....wait, was that too many whinnings?...

 

[socialcarpet]

You are actually the most disappointed person here, afraid that your Nokia 900 will become obsolete within months.

And you are just trying to convince others and thereby yourself that there is nothing to worry about, by arguing here and call us with different views for idiots.

This might be the sorriest attempt at reverse psychology I've ever seen. Otherwise I'm not sure what you're on about.

I don't know about you, but I don't work at Burger King, if I was half as upset as some of the crybabies here about WP8, I'd simply buy a new phone as soon as WP8 comes out. I paid effectively $0 for my phone, so I've got nothing to lose by doing that. I'm sure a lot of OCD types will do that anyway. But I'm not, and I won't.

'm pretty damn close to giving up on this forum though. You can't go anywhere in the WP universe without reading whining about this issue. It's over. When are people going to shut up about it so we can discuss something interesting?

I don't need to read that everything is sunshine and rainbows in WP land, of course it's not. It's simply that a forum that is 80% posts crying about no WP8 upgrade serves no purpose. There's nothing for anyone to learn there.

After a certain point, it will calm down I imagine, but when it's like this and you need to come through 100 posts of the same kvetching and crying and whining about WP8 just to find one cool post about an app recommendation or a tip or something remotely constructive, well... after a certain point you kind of wonder why you're even here.

It's business, not personal. Microsoft made a business decision for reasons clearly beyond a lot of people's understanding. It was a calculated risk that they have more to gain by pissing off a few fan boys and taking a big leap forward to gain meaningful marketshare than they do by holding things back and tripping over themselves to try to make WP8 work on all the old phones. Are people really stupid enough to think Microsoft wouldn't have done this if it weren't easy?

Don't like it, take your business somewhere else. I don't think this forum is intended to be Microsoft's complaint department.

I'm going to give this about another month. If this is still like this by then, then you guys will be free of me calling you out on your perpetual whining. I'll be done with this forum until WP8 comes out and the diapers have all be changed and all your bottoms are powdered again.

 

[Budule]

you need to come through 100 posts of the same kvetching and crying and whining about WP8 just to find one cool post about an app recommendation or a tip or something remotely constructive,.

Well the threads DO have a title....only read the ones ABOUT app's or tips......when you CHOOSE to read one titled " Legacy PHones no Apollo Update" you kinda know what's going to be in it, so just stay the **** out of it if it upsets you so....you know, go "play with the dog" like you said you would rather do anyway......