Microsoft doubles down on Windows 11 — calls for major Copilot+ PC upgrade cycle in 2025

[Windows Central]

Microsoft is gearing up for a big Windows upgrade year, as Windows 10 reaches end of life in just 10 short months.

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[computerdave911]

we need windows 12 by then as windows 10 is better than 11, so many things in 11 takes 3 clicks instead of 2,, hate that

 

[GraniteStateColin]

we need windows 12 by then as windows 10 is better than 11, so many things in 11 takes 3 clicks instead of 2,, hate that

In general, I prefer Windows 11 to 10. Most things it does better and it's a more polished-looking OS. I do miss the Live Tiles and more configurable Start menu, but I accept I'm in the minority on that and that very few users configured it (of course, with no way to put Live Tiles on the Desktop, which would have been the equivalent to the mobile Home Screen, of course they failed to appeal to Windows users).

However, one place where I strongly agree with you and serves as a daily pain point for me with Windows 11 is the lack of Jump Lists in the Start menu for pinned apps. I have dozens of apps where I need rapid access to a handful of key or recent documents. Those can't all be pinned to the Taskbar: it's not long enough, even on a 4K monitor, and even if it were, Taskbar lacks the organization capabilities of Start with its folders so I can group different app types.

Now, with these breaking changes to Start in Windows 11, I have to launch from Start, wait for the app to open, then right-click on the app that appears in the Taskbar to get at its Jump List (or pin the individual documents to Start, which I have done in a few cases, but that's goofy, doesn't work for recent docs, and is also inefficient in its own way). Given that there are Jump Lists for apps in Start, but only under All Apps rather than pinned, this is insane. You pin an app for fast access... but you can only fast-access the documents for apps that are not pinned? WTF!?

Still, in spite of this serious failing for me, Windows 11 is far better overall than Windows 10. If they would just address the missing Jump Lists for pinned apps...

 

[smartin559]

With the growing list of deadly bugs in Windows 11 24H2 I'm betting many more Windows 10 users, including enterprises, will double down on staying on 10. Microsoft screwed the pooch on 24H2 and users are really getting frustrated with it's lack of progress in fixing the problems.

 

[GraniteStateColin]

With the growing list of deadly bugs in Windows 11 24H2 I'm betting many more Windows 10 users, including enterprises, will double down on staying on 10. Microsoft screwed the pooch on 24H2 and users are really getting frustrated with it's lack of progress in fixing the problems.

I think you may be applying your personal perspective here or rumors from anti-Win 11 people. I just checked and it looks like 24H2, while definitely introducing some bugs, as all updates do, has generally been cleaner than most. Notably, I have not seen widespread reports of any critical problems.

Most of my computers didn't even show 24H2 as available until late December, which suggests MS was taking their time with the update and only pushing it to hardware and software combinations that they had tested and appeared not to pose problems. I have only had issues with 24H2 that I know of on one system across many different computers: in the known issues list as "Camera use might cause some applications to become unresponsive," but in my case, the only impacted feature is Windows Hello, where it's not properly scanning and unlocking Windows on some HP laptops, but only after they've been running for many hours or days (which is probably why MS missed it). But also found an easy temporary fix:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform]
"EnableFrameServerMode"=dword:00000000

Have had no problems since adding that to the registry.

Here's the list of major regressions acknowledged by MS and their status in working through them: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2

 

[smartin559]

I think you may be applying your personal perspective here or rumors from anti-Win 11 people. I just checked and it looks like 24H2, while definitely introducing some bugs, as all updates do, has generally been cleaner than most. Notably, I have not seen widespread reports of any critical problems.

Most of my computers didn't even show 24H2 as available until late December, which suggests MS was taking their time with the update and only pushing it to hardware and software combinations that they had tested and appeared not to pose problems. I have only had issues with 24H2 that I know of on one system across many different computers: in the known issues list as "Camera use might cause some applications to become unresponsive," but in my case, the only impacted feature is Windows Hello, where it's not properly scanning and unlocking Windows on some HP laptops, but only after they've been running for many hours or days (which is probably why MS missed it). But also found an easy temporary fix:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node\Microsoft\Windows Media Foundation\Platform]
"EnableFrameServerMode"=dword:00000000

Have had no problems since adding that to the registry.

Here's the list of major regressions acknowledged by MS and their status in working through them: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2

I fear you miss the fact that personal experience, and reading of others experiences IS a valid experience! In fact, there are many issues that have only recently been discovered, and more every week. MS has "screwed the pooch" and I don't even think their engineers have found the root cause of the problems they caused with this update.

Just say no to crappy Operating Systems. Of which Windows 11 24H2 rates along side Windows Me.

 

[arm]

I got another Update for Windows 11 Version 24H2 for arm64 this morning
(thats 3 in the last 30 days) but all is well (& was for me) - glad msft is on top of things, I'm happy with 24H2

 

[GraniteStateColin]

I fear you miss the fact that personal experience, and reading of others experiences IS a valid experience! In fact, there are many issues that have only recently been discovered, and more every week. MS has "screwed the pooch" and I don't even think their engineers have found the root cause of the problems they caused with this update.

Just say no to crappy Operating Systems. Of which Windows 11 24H2 rates along side Windows Me.

No, they're not. Those are anecdotes and should play zero role in company policy. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to get support if you're having a problem -- of course you should. But your ability to gain support when you're having a problem is different from suggesting that MS rolled out a defective update. That assessment would require a statistical analysis of the rollout and be based on the % of users adversely affected. By those objective metrics (rather than your anecdote), the update was a technical success with minimal issues (not zero, but minimal and less than many other prior updates).

I have plenty of gripes with MS for decisions and changes they made that have added more work to my day (but to be fair, most of their changes save me time), but when people complain over things that don't merit complaints and just hurl insults rather than provide data, you undermine the valid criticisms and make it harder for the rest of us to get actual problems addressed.

You may also ask this group for help if you are having a problem (or go to the official Windows support forum at https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows). Instead of whining a non-actionable complaints like "MS screwed the pooch" and "Just say no to crappy Operation Systems," provide details on your problem, steps to reproduce, and ask for help with the problem you're having. Perhaps we can assist and fix it for you.