MS you are too slow...

[ag1986]

I guarantee that no matter what features are added with 8.1, people will still focus on what it doesn't have. Even if it's something trivial, that trivial thing will suddenly be the benchmark from which the OS will be judged. And people will say, "This thing is so simple, how could MS have not included it?! MS will never catch up!" (conveniently forgetting the 50 improvements that did make it unto the build)

Because everybody else had those 50 improvements from the get-go, so nobody cares.

 

[teckris]

I guess people around are confused with WP8... its not the 8th iteration. its just 2nd may be

 

[snowmutt]

A few corrections needed there:

- Nobody cares that iOS and Android have been around for longer. MS came late to the party - it would behoove them to at least develop WP to feature parity (at least functionality-wise) and then go about their unique differentiators. That "oh but WP is just a year old" excuse is invalid, since the other platforms already exist. The consumer does not care, he just sees the difference: "ahh. this phone has a rotation lock. I think I'll take it" (yes, this feature exists, but the fact that it took so long and that it was such a big deal for the WP world is hilarious.

- Android OEMs (note that Google does not pay) pay royalties for the use of the FAT32 file system ONLY. No great MS innovation here (where mobile operating systems are concerned at least). I'm not aware of Apple and MS in any deal.

- They're getting slammed for adding basic features, after a year, with an update (viz. rotation locks, data sense etc). The fact that these took months to do, is the problem.

edit: all of us have seen Feature Suggestions: Top (38582 ideas) – Feature Suggestions for Windows Phone - how many were actually implemented and fixed? Most of these are basic issues with the OS, it is difficult to understand how a company could have missed these.

As a general rule, I tend not to take a "line by line" argument with other posters. I see this usally as an attempt to just argue. But, I will address a couple things and then let it go, so long as you understand I am not intending to do anything other then come at your opinions from a different angle.

When you say "people" do not care that WP isn't as old and therefore do not have some of these features that the more mature iOS and Android do, I will go a step further: Most do not care, period. Every 2 years, the average user walks in, buys what they had last time or what is newest. Then they play around with it for a couple weeks to get it set up like they like it, and barely even think about it anymore. Only posters like you and me "care" about it. We pay attention to mobile, and we comment. We use our devices more then 70% of users do. Most browse the internet, are casual gamers,and do social networking. Period. They do not care what OEM does what or for how long. Their friends and family have Apple and Samsung, so they have Apple and Samsung. WP can compete for those users IF they get the mind share through improved advertisements and patience. I find it amusing how hung up some people on this threads get on things most users never, ever even realize their devices can or can't do. It is legitimate, but like Soloman said is like chasing the wind. In a couple more of these updates you find amusing and the next major upgrade, it will be a non-factor.

Of course there will be thing Android and iOS do that WP will never do. There will also be things that WP will offer and iOS and Apple will have to react to themselves. It is a different OS. From what I can tell, you do not like WP for it's lack of features. I am glad you have options. Hopefully, as WP cuts into the leads of iOS and Apple, those OS's will have to improve.

As for what is innovation or not, I leave that up to you. All I know is that no existing tech would exist without the previous tech before it. It is built off of what was done beforehand. All of that is innovative.

And the Apple/Microsoft "do not sue us and we will not sue you" deal dates back to the PC/Mac wars. I came across it trying to learn about the patent wars about a year ago. It is why you only will find those two on the same side of legal actions, never on opposing sides. I am sorry I do not have a link to share on that.

 

[ohgood]

The amount of improvements per update is outpacing rivals.

WP has features that other ecosystems dont have, but people ignore that.

I'm curious what features you're referring to here ?

 

[Chregu]

I guess people around are confused with WP8... its not the 8th iteration. its just 2nd may be

Windows Phone 7 came after Windows Mobile 6.5. Microsoft isn't new to the game.

 

[Oliver Newell]

Cool. Well I know and basically everyone else who knows what they are talking about know that Microsoft are recently making leaps and bonus in adding and improving features. Because WP itself is such a well made OS, I for one can bypass some features I am missing over android, which are fewer and fewer by the way. Like people have said, WP has many features android doesn't. If you don't like it, go and get an android phone. Thank you.

 

[techiez]

Cool. Well I know and basically everyone else who knows what they are talking about know that Microsoft are recently making leaps and bonus in adding and improving features. Because WP itself is such a well made OS, I for one can bypass some features I am missing over android, which are fewer and fewer by the way. Like people have said, WP has many features android doesn't. If you don't like it, go and get an android phone. Thank you.

And this fan boyism is going to help the eco system right

 

[techiez]

This is some real feedback being given. ppl who bought the phones need features which are missing and have been requested a lot. MS has itself said that they are concentrating on bringing features which will support newer hardware. but what abt existing users who are requesting features as well as the many known issues bugging users.

 

[techiez]

my priority for now is to see MS resolve bugs first.example its notification system

 

[ohgood]

Like people have said, WP has many features android doesn't.

i'm curious what features you're referring to ?

 

[techiez]

i'm curious what features you're referring to ?

exactly. me too. And those who say MS is building an ecosystem , MS is providing same or better experience on Ios n android. (skype sky drive etc etc)

 

[MyNL822]

I agree with the OP because we don't even have a battery percentage on the top of screen! There are two things I would be happy to have immediately: A notification/quick settings center and battery percentage at the top of the screen.We don't have a simple battery percentage that is obvious we are behind. You may say use the battery apps, but I want to see percentage from everywhere, and the tiles update 30-60 mins.

 

[Chregu]

I agree with the OP because we don't even have a battery percentage on the top of screen! There are two things I would be happy to have immediately: A notification/quick settings center and battery percentage at the top of the screen.We don't have a simple battery percentage that is obvious we are behind. You may say use the battery apps, but I want to see percentage from everywhere, and the tiles update 30-60 mins.

I really miss some features too, and I also think Microsoft is moving in an incredibly slow pace, however I think that the minimalistic battery sign is a design choice and shouldn't get changed.

Why would you need an exact percentage in your everyday use? At least the in the way I need my phone, the bar is quite enough. You can easily estimate 25, 50 and 75 % and see a trend of what it is between it. Are you calculating how many calls you still can make with 21.5 % battery in the WiFI and reception conditions you experience during the next few hours while exactly knowing what app you'll use how long? That's just silly.

 

[MyNL822]

I don't need estimations, if I see my phone is at 40% I will use it more wisely, I don't need to waste my time estimating my percentage because they won't simply add it in.

 

[willied]

Microsoft is going too slow (and if you think otherwise then I guess you don't expect much of anything), but we probably don't need any more threads about it for a while.

 

[jonathanrn]

Willied.. I don't know if you've looked at the features added in the latest version of Kitkat (the big update from the "fastest" moving mobile OS).. I'll give a quick rundown...

1. The 'Okay google" voice search without pushing any buttons
2. Album art as a lock screen when playing music (already have it)
3. Hiding the Android UI elements when reading a book/watching a movie. (already have it)
4. Multitasking improvements (already have it)
5. A view that will organize your contacts in the order they are most frequently used. (meh)
6. Caller ID improvements (meh)
7. Google chat and SMS/MMS in one screen. (already have the equivelent)
8. Emojis (already have it)
9. Ability to print (to very specific printers.. so useless to almost everyone)
10. A few other productivity 'features' (already have it)

SO that's what Google did in six months.. A lot of what they did look like, in fact, they are 'catching up' to WP8. I'm just trying to put it into perspective.

Jonathan

 

[Reflexx]

Microsoft is going too slow (and if you think otherwise then I guess you don't expect much of anything), but we probably don't need any more threads about it for a while.

Ah. The "everyone who disagrees with me had lie standards" argument.

At least you're not being arrogant and self-centered.

 

[Chregu]

I'll give a quick rundown...

SO that's what Google did in six months.. A lot of what they did look like, in fact, they are 'catching up' to WP8. I'm just trying to put it into perspective.

Jonathan

I thought the update was mostly about performance improvements for low level phones.

The focus on improving entry-level performance with KitKat is, in the eyes of industry observer Avi Greengart, “one of the smartest things Google has done for Android in a long time.” Greengart notes that although Android enjoys the lion’s share of smartphone sales in developing markets like China, those are most commonly Android 2.3 devices with sluggish responsiveness and no access to Google Play services. His perspective is supported by Strategy Analytics data that shows the Asia Pacific region is the fastest growing market for smartphone shipments and Android is the primary shipping OS — but “older versions and piecemeal UI tweaks have led to a compromised user experience.”

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/1/5053878/android-4-4-kitkat-and-google-quest-for-the-next-billion

Sure, with GDR3 Microsoft introduced the support for better hardware, but I think that should be the expectation and that the fact that it was blown up that big is actually very sad.

 

[Ek-Balam]

While I'm not one to say no to more features, I came to this platform for a reason. Numbers are showing that people like what's being offered. What's the problem?

My original point is that for folks like you and your use model, great! However, their is a whole swath of users / converts that see the current state of the OS and it's features and are tempted to WP but find out that some very simple and basic OS components are missing or lacking. i.e.; file on device management, email attachment, provision for a local memory card, notification options, etal. For this potential group of converts, these simple OS components are "show stoppers".
If you liken this situation to an American Football analogy, MS needs to get the blocking and tackling fundamentals down before running their "Trick plays"....... Hence, WP8 has gained a reputation for what is doesn't have vs. all the good things it does! Time for MS to prioritize and accelerate those OS features that are perceived as lacking and lower the barrier for potential converts.

 

[MyNL822]

Willied.. I don't know if you've looked at the features added in the latest version of Kitkat (the big update from the "fastest" moving mobile OS).. I'll give a quick rundown...

1. The 'Okay google" voice search without pushing any buttons
2. Album art as a lock screen when playing music (already have it)
3. Hiding the Android UI elements when reading a book/watching a movie. (already have it)
4. Multitasking improvements (already have it)
5. A view that will organize your contacts in the order they are most frequently used. (meh)
6. Caller ID improvements (meh)
7. Google chat and SMS/MMS in one screen. (already have the equivelent)
8. Emojis (already have it)
9. Ability to print (to very specific printers.. so useless to almost everyone)
10. A few other productivity 'features' (already have it)

SO that's what Google did in six months.. A lot of what they did look like, in fact, they are 'catching up' to WP8. I'm just trying to put it into perspective.

Jonathan

1. We don't even have a good voice assistant.
2.We actually don't have album art, we have ONE artist picture for all of their songs and it doesn't change.
3.Yes we have this for Videos, but we don't really have an official book app like iOS and Android(behind again) so of course if your in most apps it hides UI elements. Please talk to me when we can have a video playing while doing something else.
4.Lol, please we got an "X" button, we just barely caught up with them.
5.No comment we don't have, I wouldn't really care about this because messaging app shows the messages from recent.
6. Don't know what there is to improve I just see the name and picture and that's all I need.
7. No equivalent because we don't have a way to text other WP users or others for free through iMessage or Google chat.
8.All the emojis are black and white very interesting eye candy: ������������������
9.Can we print from our phones period? How do we have office but we can't directly print like airprint on iOS?
10. I don't know exactly which features you are referring to, but one feature you didn't mention that they are getting is screen recording and that would be a nice edition if there were more games for WP users to actually make a video about.
I do like my WP most of the time 1) because I bought it with my own money after saving all summer(I'm 14 can't get a job yet) and 2) because I love the tiles and many other features, but I have to agree MS is quite slow on this OS, you can tell me we aren't slow when we get a battery percentage and a notification center.