RIM also had an adjusted net loss.
That money RIM "generated" will quickly disappear, as per RIM's CEO himself saying they will burn through all of that money and more for marketing and inventory build-up of the first BB10 device.
If that Z10 device fails to sell well, RIM is in deep trouble.
As for Nokia, they did achieve an underlying profit for Q3. Adjusted for restructuring write-down costs, Nokia did achieve a 78 million Euro profit in Q3. Plus, Nokia's cash and assets position is much, much stronger than RIM's.
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Most of Nokia's "losses" are accounting-related restructuring write-downs.
From here on out I am simply going to ignore you, as that would be a very wise decision.
- Most women don't carry their phones in their trouser pockets. That's what handbags are for.
- In some parts of the world, BB doesn't sell many phones except to some people. Just look at Europe except the UK. You won't see many BB's in France, Germany, Austria, Spain and so on.
- It remains to be seen if Nokia will manage a turnaround. My gut feeling tells me they will be successful in some markets in time because they differenate themselves enough from the pack. At the same time, I admit I could be wrong as I, like all analysts and clairvoyants, do not possess a time machine to travel to the future and find proof for my words.
Personally, I think the less phones, the better. Having too many OEMs and phones just ruins in the experience and is really just a waste of resources. The Surface phone will and must definitely happen because it could be a "Nexus" type of device that Microsoft may be readying to free people from the carriers.The original idea behind WP was to be a multi-OEM phone... the Windows model for PCs brought to phones. Alas, Google has borrowed that business model and rather than stick with it and push forward faster with innovation, Microsoft has chosen to make it the Nokia Show (with a cameo by HTC, and a "present vote" by Samsung). Many of the other WP OEMs have simply left, like Dell and LG, with no effort by MS to keep them or support them.
Personally, I think the less phones, the better. Having too many OEMs and phones just ruins in the experience and is really just a waste of resources. The Surface phone will and must definitely happen because it could be a "Nexus" type of device that Microsoft may be readying to free people from the carriers.
Just imagine, a Surface phone for 400 bucks. Unlocked. Sold directly by Microsoft. It would be a pretty big seller.
You've actually hit on why WP isn't doing well.
People who want an iPhone or Android will buy one of those two devices.
And Windows Phone? We shouldn't be too cocky.
You challenge OP to name the best-selling keyboard-based phone... that would be the BlackBerry 7 lineup. And even though it's long-in-the-tooth, RIM sold more BlackBerry phones in this past quarter alone than Nokia has sold Windows Phones since the beginning of its support for them.
So we'd do well to be humble and responsive to user needs, rather than tell users what they "don't need." After all, if RIM maintains the keyboard-lover crowd and Windows doesn't cater to it (nor succeed in winning over significant numbers of Samsung and Apple users), it will be in fourth place and out of the game.
This sounds like typical "everything that is newer is always better" nonsense.Your logic is seriously flawed here. This is like suggesting the when the last buggy maker in town is about to go out of business, the smallest car maker had better start making buggies or their are going to go out of business too.
Keyboard phones, like the horse and buggy, are a DYING form factor that is going away. Period.
People will argue for it's practicality and its irreplaceability, just as I'm sure they did with the horse and buggy, but time marches on and it will be gone. Phones are getting thinner with larger and larger screens and screen keyboards are getting better and better. What does that tell you? Keyboard phones are already obsolete. Someone just forgot to tell RIM and their 55-60 yr old average customer base.
This sounds like typical "everything that is newer is always better" nonsense.
People still use physical keyboards at their computer and physical keyboards are still being made by Microsoft for the Surface. They will never really go away because people enjoy pressing buttons, which are still on the sides of the phone you are holding.
Sure, a screen keyboard has its many benefits and yes, its going to be the dominant way to type, but there's still a demand for physical keyboards and there's always going to be a demand for them as long as people are still using their fingers to enter text and not their minds.
Oh I agree, I prefer onscreen keyboards due to the dramatic drop in failure rates, but does a keyboard not fill up half the screen when you're typing? I know its ONLY when you're typing, but at least the people with physical keyboards still get the whole 4+ inch screen to view while typing, which could be a plus to some people.I also like hardware keyboards, but the reality is there is just too much compromise (for me anyway). The slide-out means that you either have to turn the phone landscape to type or it flips out at the bottom, adds bulk and is not nearly as like as the BB-style keyboard. The problem with the BB-style keyboard is that it takes up half the screen, and to me is not even close to an acceptable compromise.
I actually like phones with physical keyboards, and I would seriously consider a Windows Phone with a nice slide out keyboard.
My point is simply that the trend in design is moving strongly away from this form factor, it adds more moving parts, points of failure, weight and bulk to a phone and the truth is that most people under 30 are accustomed to using a touchscreen keyboard. As the primarily older population who like thumb keyboards continue to age and move out of the workforce, there is going to be less and less demand for them.
Personally, I'm still a bit more accurate on a thumb keyboard than a touch keyboard, but the gap is narrowing with every new phone and it's not about what I like. I also don't like gigantic screens on phones like the Galaxy Note, but I recognize that is where things are headed.
Some people here have a hard time separating what THEY want and THEY like from what the majority prefers and what's actually best for most/most popular.
Unfortunately for Google, Android really, really sucks and delivers an awful user experience (even in "pure JB" form)....
I'm sorry, but this is downright laughable...
Keyboard phones, like the horse and buggy, are a DYING form factor that is going away. Period.
People will argue for it's practicality and its irreplaceability, just as I'm sure they did with the horse and buggy, but time marches on and it will be gone.