Samsung is definitely out of my list...Here's why..

[blehblehbleh]

Looks like you conveniently left out the article where Samsung destroyed 600 k back plates and caught the issue during production. The other defects are few and far between, unlike the quite widespread iphone 5 defects that every reviewer also had.

But of course that doesn't back up your opinions at all so you choose to ignore those important facts. Good for you.

But if you wish to use unscientific, your words and not mine, drop tests to condemn the GS3, then by all means, continue. Unfortunately, that is all you have though.

First off it wasn't convenient. I saw the article and didn't think it was relevant because even despite them catching it, for a different color mind you, it doesn't change the fact that people are getting cracks in their back covers does it? And how are they "few and far between"? If anything they look just as widespread as "every reviewer" you've seen have with the iPhone 5.

Important facts such as?

I will continue because I don't have hard accurate data which you don't have either. Unless that isn't true, which by all means then please do share because I'm still curious about the technical details.

Seriously, though I don't know why you care so much. I certainly don't, at least not to the extent that you're doing with this personal crusade of yours. I'm interested to the degree that hard data demonstrates the well thought out engineering principles in Samsung's phones, but all you've brought me are similar unscientific results that I've found and that are in the drop test videos. Even worse they're coming straight from your own mouth.

Anyways have a nice day.

 

[tomatoes11]

First off it wasn't convenient. I saw the article and didn't think it was relevant because even despite them catching it, for a different color mind you, it doesn't change the fact that people are getting cracks in their back covers does it? And how are they "few and far between"? If anything they look just as widespread as "every reviewer" you've seen have with the iPhone 5.

Important facts such as?

I will continue because I don't have hard accurate data which you don't have either. Unless that isn't true, which by all means then please do share because I'm still curious about the technical details.

Seriously, though I don't know why you care so much. I certainly don't, at least not to the extent that you're doing with this personal crusade of yours. I'm interested to the degree that hard data demonstrates the well thought out engineering principles in Samsung's phones, but all you've brought me are similar unscientific results that I've found and that are in the drop test videos. Even worse they're coming straight from your own mouth.

Anyways have a nice day.

Simple logic to that which you fail to grasp. Every technology website and review has mentioned the iphone 5 defaults as it's own story. While your evidence is from message boards. That is a big difference because If I factor in some message boards, the evidence that suggest Apple problems are wide spread would outnumber your back cover issues evidence like at least 20 - 1.

So here the logic for you, my evidence comes from reputable sites and reviewers. While your evidence comes from message boards and I don't recall a single review where the reviewer mention back cover problems on the GS3 and I read A LOT of them.

This just proves to me that you are not objective enough about Samsung products to even reply to anymore. Just admit that you are anti Samsung and you choose to see only the negative about them and leave it at that. Your excuses are not doing you any favors.

 

[blehblehbleh]

Simple logic to that which you fail to grasp. Every technology website and review has mentioned the iphone 5 defaults as it's own story. While your evidence is from message boards. That is a big difference because If I factor in some message boards, the evidence that suggest Apple problems are wide spread would outnumber your back cover issues evidence like at least 20 - 1.

So here the logic for you, my evidence comes from reputable sites and reviewers. While your evidence comes from message boards and I don't recall a single review where the reviewer mention back cover problems on the GS3 and I read A LOT of them.

...uh huh

This just proves to me that you are not objective enough about Samsung products to even reply to anymore. Just admit that you are anti Samsung and you choose to see only the negative about them and leave it at that. Your excuses are not doing you any favors.

Heh anti-samsung? Are you spying on my life or something? How do you know? Do you know how many samsung products I've owned? Or is this all based on just a few statements I've said?

I'm still interested in learning about the engineering principles; that's all I've ever been interested in. It was a simple question for someone to explain, but all you've shown me is a whole lot of nothing except your own anecdotal evidence which weighs just about the same as those drop test videos. Until otherwise, like I said I'm concluding it's YMMV like with any phone OEM.

Anyways, just give it up on this personal crusade of yours. It's really making you look pathetic. This is the last you'll hear from me on this thread unless it's a "thanks" for info anyone can provide explain the engineering and physics, etc.

 

[eric12341]

WOW the quality of discussion in this thread is rapidly decreasing below 0. Now if this thread is to remain open the quality needs to go above 0 and one way of doing that is to adhere to the rules of this site which is posted here: http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-phone-8-os-discussion/announcements.htm. Several posts in this thread are in violation of these rules, Also remember that these kind of discussions in the direction that this one has gone to arent good for the community nor arent they good for our ecosystem. So this is a last ditch effort attempt to get this thread back on track. Regardess of which OEM we go for it counts as a WP sell which is good either way.

 

[twincamfxd]

If I can't get a 9xx on Verizon, the Sammy is likely going to be a contender. It is growing on me.

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[Winterfang]

Samsung knows Smartphones, they are taking over.

 

[Villain]

Regardess of which OEM we go for it counts as a WP sell which is good either way.

exactly

 

[X0LARIUM]

I have a feeling the 920 is going to be very expensive...so I might be thinking of an 8X...might..

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[independentvolume]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. People are manifesting internet complaints to build a reliability case? News flash, the majority of people on review after negative experiences. How many phones have the gs3 and iPhone sold? Record numbers is the answer. You sell that much of anything odds are a batch or 10 will be defective.

 

[X0LARIUM]

This thread is beyond ridiculous. People are manifesting internet complaints to build a reliability case? News flash, the majority of people on review after negative experiences. How many phones have the gs3 and iPhone sold? Record numbers is the answer. You sell that much of anything odds are a batch or 10 will be defective.

Classic case of iSheep? I really don't get this...just because a phone sells like hot cake means its a THE BEST PHONE out there...hmmm...Thanx...I know innovation isn't that big a deal...its just one of those things that if is absent its fine...isn't it?? Let's all go where the world is doing...yay!

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[brmiller1976]

Let's be real. Samsung does NOT have the fanbase that Apple does.

If Apple released a refrigerator, they'd sell ten million of them to Apple-fans, who would talk about how after they put some spoiled yogurt in the Apple fridge, it "immediately became UNSPOILED!"

If Apple started selling coffee-makers, they'd sell 10 million of them to Apple-fans, including those who didn't drink coffee, and the internet would be filled with tales of how people are getting their roses to grow better by feeding them with coffee from the iCoffeeMaker.

Not equivalent, sorry. Apple is a religion... I have yet to see any other tech brand in (recent) history attain that status. The only other two to come close are long-dead... Atari and Commodore Amiga.

 

[Winterfang]

Classic case of iSheep? I really don't get this...just because a phone sells like hot cake means its a THE BEST PHONE out there...hmmm...Thanx...I know innovation isn't that big a deal...its just one of those things that if is absent its fine...isn't it?? Let's all go where the world is doing...yay!

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The Apple and Samsung phones are selling great because they become synonymous with quality. I don't know how is it in Europe for here Nokia is know for 2 things.

1-Lowest of the low end devices. (7-10 dollar phones)
2-That meme of the Nokia phone that doesn't break.

Apple and Samsung don't sell devices because their customers are sheep, customers keep buying their phones because they liked their previous ones and know the new one is better. Word of mouth spread and new people are buying the phones. Hence the record breaking numbers of the 5 and GS3.

Nokia may be sacred on this board but. (Warning personal anecdotal "evidence" incoming)

I remember being really hyped for the 900 and was going to AT&T to ask about plans and stuff and I told them I wanted the 900 when it came out. She didn't knew it existed.

I told my best friend, I was trying to get to AT&T for the Lumia 900. She asked, what phone is that? I told her it was the new Nokia phone and she laugh at my face.

When the 8X was announced I got excited and I was showing the 8X to my sister, she was excited until she knew it wasn't android but still told me I should get it because she knows I like Windows Phone. I then show here the 920 for comparison (that was before it was exclusive to AT&T) and she look at and said "Nokia? Ew get the other one".

 

[poiman]

The Apple and Samsung phones are selling great because they become synonymous with quality. I don't know how is it in Europe for here Nokia is know for 2 things.

1-Lowest of the low end devices. (7-10 dollar phones)
2-That meme of the Nokia phone that doesn't break.

Apple and Samsung don't sell devices because their customers are sheep, customers keep buying their phones because they liked their previous ones and know the new one is better. Word of mouth spread and new people are buying the phones. Hence the record breaking numbers of the 5 and GS3.

Nokia may be sacred on this board but. (Warning personal anecdotal "evidence" incoming)

I remember being really hyped for the 900 and was going to AT&T to ask about plans and stuff and I told them I wanted the 900 when it came out. She didn't knew it existed.

I told my best friend, I was trying to get to AT&T for the Lumia 900. She asked, what phone is that? I told her it was the new Nokia phone and she laugh at my face.

When the 8X was announced I got excited and I was showing the 8X to my sister, she was excited until she knew it wasn't android but still told me I should get it because she knows I like Windows Phone. I then show here the 920 for comparison (that was before it was exclusive to AT&T) and she look at and said "Nokia? Ew get the other one".

Basically you are admiting that people are misinformed about Nokia. People don't know why they don't like Nokia. Nokia's only fault is their marketing. It sucks. But their products are the best out there. They don't break, they use premium componnents, they are innovative and they are supported by Nokia for a long time... that's why they are not cheap.

Look at how Nokia invented PureView, how they are solving all the problems that mobile imaging used to have. Look how Nokia is bringing the best display tech to the Market, look at how Nokia develops software, innovative apps and more importantly, the best Maps and location services. Look at all Nokia patents for this industry (many in the most important areas nowadays like 3G and 4G) People just don't know about this because Nokia doesn't advertise it!

 

[brmiller1976]

Actually, Nokia's status as a joke in the US is not consumers' fault. Nokia made the decision to abandon the US marketplace a decade ago, and is paying for it now. The only reason they're coming back is because the USA is the center of the smartphone universe, and they have to compete here to be viewed as a credible player abroad.

As a result of that decision to bail out years ago, most consumers remember Nokia phones as those REALLY old things you used on Comcast Metrophone, Cellular One, and OmniPoint. Or, at the best, the el-cheapo messaging phone that Tracfone or T-Mobile Prepaid will sell you at the drug store.

It's Nokia's responsibility to keep consumers up-to-date about their brand, products and plans, and long-term neglect of that responsibility has translated into a lack of relevance for current consumers.

 

[X0LARIUM]

The Apple and Samsung phones are selling great because they become synonymous with quality. I don't know how is it in Europe for here Nokia is know for 2 things.

1-Lowest of the low end devices. (7-10 dollar phones)
2-That meme of the Nokia phone that doesn't break.

Apple and Samsung don't sell devices because their customers are sheep, customers keep buying their phones because they liked their previous ones and know the new one is better. Word of mouth spread and new people are buying the phones. Hence the record breaking numbers of the 5 and GS3.

Nokia may be sacred on this board but. (Warning personal anecdotal "evidence" incoming)

I remember being really hyped for the 900 and was going to AT&T to ask about plans and stuff and I told them I wanted the 900 when it came out. She didn't knew it existed.

I told my best friend, I was trying to get to AT&T for the Lumia 900. She asked, what phone is that? I told her it was the new Nokia phone and she laugh at my face.

When the 8X was announced I got excited and I was showing the 8X to my sister, she was excited until she knew it wasn't android but still told me I should get it because she knows I like Windows Phone. I then show here the 920 for comparison (that was before it was exclusive to AT&T) and she look at and said "Nokia? Ew get the other one".

If u ask me, Sammy and iPhone have the most dumbest customer base. Ever..
One tells the other, "Hey wanna buy an phone..."
"Yeah yeah..."
"Get the iPhone..."
"OK.."*swipes card & pays a bomb*

Same with Sammy. While I do agree about Apple's quality... Sammy is a joke (hey wasn't that the reasin I made this thread...he he he)

But from what I get...yes, Windows needs to get past its image of coming across as a joke when a smartphone is discussed...


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[a5cent]

I don't know how is it in Europe for here Nokia is know for 2 things:

1-Lowest of the low end devices. (7-10 dollar phones)
2-That meme of the Nokia phone that doesn't break.
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I then show here the 920 for comparison and she look at and said "Nokia? Ew get the other one".

Well, isn't your sisters reaction exactly what is to be expected, if low-end devices is all Nokia is known for in your corner of the world?

In Europe, Nokia is known for their quality feature phones. They work well, last for a week on a charge, are extremely reliable and well built. What people don't think when they hear "Nokia" is smartphones. Most haven't heard of Windows Phone either. However, companies and markets change, and at some point people will catch on. Samsung is a good example of that. Up until the Galaxy series, Samsung was known as a company that produces cheap consumer electronics... the stuff you buy if a low price is more important to you than quality... similar to how your sister views Nokia apparently.

Where I live, American and European products are considered superior to anything from Asia, with the exception of Japan.

 

[brmiller1976]

Well, isn't your sisters reaction exactly what is to be expected, if low-end devices is all Nokia is known for in your corner of the world?

But whose fault is that? Nokia's, I'd argue.

And unlike Samsung, Nokia doesn't have time to improve its image and is stuck on exclusives rather than ubiquity.

Where I live, American and European products are considered superior to anything from Asia, with the exception of Japan.

Ironic, since it's typically impossible to get an "American" or "European" product that isn't assembled in Asia.

 

[twincamfxd]

Same with Sammy. While I do agree about Apple's quality... Sammy is a joke (hey wasn't that the reasin I made this thread...he he he)

I'm just curious, not trying to flame, but did Samsung's CEO break into your house and kick your dog or something? You seem to have an irrational hatred for Samsung, almost some kind of vendetta. Have you had a bad experience with one of their devices or something?

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[a5cent]

But whose fault is that? Nokia's, I'd argue.

I agree. The point of my last post was simply to illustrate that perceptions can change. Just as Samsung is no longer viewed only as a producer of cheep "crap" (at least in my corner of the world), so too will the perception of Nokia change over time, as they shift ever more to smartphones, including models that are not only equal to, but better than the competitions offerings.

Ironic, since it's typically impossible to get an "American" or "European" product that isn't assembled in Asia.

How true! Although you probably could argue that inception is the act which defines origin, not manufacturing. But that is certainly going too far... if it has an Apple logo on it, it's American. Most see no value in thinking further

 

[brmiller1976]

Nokia doesn't have the time that Samsung had, though. Samsung was a strong and growing player in the market back in 2010 when the first Galaxy S phones shipped (on every carrier) and sold well (on every carrier).

It took two years of solid success to win the crown.

The Lumia launch in the US was a disaster. If they get traction with WP8, they'll need to emulate Samsung and sell high-end on every carrier, while executing flawlessly for two years while continuing to endure their financial crisis. That's a tall order.

I see a blockbuster breakout success as more likely, frankly.