The guys are beginning to understand

[Waylon Payne]

I think they should just focus heavily on the software and the ecosystem. Releasing a plethora of models is a fools game, as Samsung's profits illustrate. Also sort out the marketing, this making fun of Apple tactic isnt helping them.

 

[mpl175]

Actually, no it isn't. Apple is in a world all onto itself. It makes decisions based on the will of its ecosystem and that is something neither android nor Microsoft enjoys at this point. When Apple decides its time to build a larger phone, they built it but what they also did was bring something called Apple Pay along with it. They did all kinds of deals with the banks, businesses and credit card companies and built iPhone 6. Android has google wallet and its a flat out fail. If their ecosystem was eager to get wireless charging trust me, it'll show up when Apple says its ready. They got keyboards and notification because Apple decided its ecosystem would benefit. Right now, wireless charging is a WP thing.

We seem to be doing because of android, not so much for Microsoft. Maybe its why things seem so disjointed. Where ever the noise is, Microsoft throws up something simply to say we could do it too. Android does what it does to beat Apple, something it won't ever do in your lifetime. It is largely why android models itself after the iPhone. It thinks people won't notice.

Microsoft has a great product and a great start of followers, which is commendable for the short time WP has been on the street. But what it doesn't yet have is a respectable ecosystem, someone to lead, or someone that can bring all of this together and DICTATE, this is the phone we are building, here is how and why. And build that phone with everything it knows how to do. But it doesn't. It makes a lot of model like its trying to a PC maker like HP or Dell more than a Phone developer. Its not what people are looking for. This is the crux of my comment. It is my reasoning why no matter what they throw at this problem, they won't catch Apple. They are simply not in the business to compete on that level. Its a fools mission to try.

This isn't hate on Microsoft. I hope no one takes it that way. I love this brand.

 

[mpl175]

Actually, no it isn't. Apple is in a world all onto itself. It makes decisions based on the will of its ecosystem and that is something neither android nor Microsoft enjoys at this point. When Apple decides its time to build a larger phone, they built it but what they also did was bring something called Apple Pay along with it. They did all kinds of deals with the banks, businesses and credit card companies and built iPhone 6. Android has google wallet and its a flat out fail. If their ecosystem was eager to get wireless charging trust me, it'll show up when Apple says its ready. They got keyboards and notification because Apple decided its ecosystem would benefit. Right now, wireless charging is a WP thing.

We seem to be doing because of android, not so much for Microsoft. Maybe its why things seem so disjointed. Where ever the noise is, Microsoft throws up something simply to say we could do it too. Android does what it does to beat Apple, something it won't ever do in your lifetime. It is largely why android models itself after the iPhone. It thinks people won't notice.

Microsoft has a great product and a great start of followers, which is commendable for the short time WP has been on the street. But what it doesn't yet have is a respectable ecosystem, someone to lead, or someone that can bring all of this together and DICTATE, this is the phone we are building, here is how and why. And build that phone with everything it knows how to do. But it doesn't. It makes a lot of model like its trying to a PC maker like HP or Dell more than a Phone developer. Its not what people are looking for. This is the crux of my comment. It is my reasoning why no matter what they throw at this problem, they won't catch Apple. They are simply not in the business to compete on that level. Its a fools mission to try.

This isn't hate on Microsoft. I hope no one takes it that way. I love this brand.

That's not entirely true about apple. They didn't build a bigger phone just because THEY though it was Time. They heard all the criticism about how small their phone still were. I mean really ios7 was basically an android ripoff. If you think all these companies dont "borrow" from each other your not paying attention. Yes apple has their own closed eco system but to say they don't make any changes based on other platforms or criticism's is wrong. As far as android not beating apple,have you seen the latest market share results lately? Android is now #1 in market share so I'd say they did a pretty good job beating apple.

 

[Jazmac]

That's not entirely true about apple. They didn't build a bigger phone just because THEY though it was Time. They heard all the criticism about how small their phone still were. I mean really ios7 was basically an android ripoff. If you think all these companies dont "borrow" from each other your not paying attention. Yes apple has their own closed eco system but to say they don't make any changes based on other platforms or criticism's is wrong. As far as android not beating apple,have you seen the latest market share results lately? Android is now #1 in market share so I'd say they did a pretty good job beating apple.

Checkers or Chess?

 

[mpl175]

Checkers or Chess?

neither.

 

[techiez]

What MS should do IMHO is build maybe 3 models. A Phablet, 6.1" a 5" like the Icon and a 4.5. and call it a day. Make the differences in the phones screen size and storage, not compromise on the stuff people want like wireless charging, removable simm, or stuck by exclusivity on a carrier like Verizon that offer the phone but simply won't stock it. And each phone should be loaded up from screen resolution to processor. Quit building budget models like the 520 and leave that to the OEM's. You got more important stuff to do.
And quit this BS Lucky Charms game of Lumia Black, Denim, Cyan, Yellow Moons, Orange Stars, Green Clovers nonsense. Its not funny anymore. Get on with building the Surface Phone line. Like I said before, if MS wants to get in the game, then it has to get in the game and play it like they own it. We'll get behind it like never before.

Leave phones line 520 to OEMs? what OEMs are you talking abt, None of the reputable OEMs are making WPs, I dont know the reputation of BLU in US but here in India XOLO, Karbonn and Micromaxx dont have good reputation and hardly will help WP. your strategy would hv worked if Nokia was independent but it is not, may be what you;ve said will help WP in US but will shrink marketshare outside US for sure

 

[Jazmac]

Leave phones line 520 to OEMs? what OEMs are you talking abt, None of the reputable OEMs are making WPs, I dont know the reputation of BLU in US but here in India XOLO, Karbonn and Micromaxx dont have good reputation and hardly will help WP. your strategy would hv worked if Nokia was independent but it is not, may be what you;ve said will help WP in US but will shrink marketshare outside US for sure

I Thought I was pretty clear but let me be more direct. Stop building low end phones like the 520. Other OEMs should do that.