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  1. jfa1's Avatar
    BS. It has the exact same specs as other WP8 devices. Please stop lying.

    It's not "the best spec" because it has no better specs than the Lumia 920 or HTC 8X.
    Some would say that the spec that makes the Ativ S better is in gfact the expandible sd card memory which the 920 and 6X do NOT have!
    10-15-2012 08:50 AM
  2. stmav's Avatar
    Yes by some of the same people complaining about trash talking here. It is interesting, actually it's very comical.
    Yep, not the first thread started taking shots at nokia under the guise of something else. Just gets more transparent each time.
    10-15-2012 10:06 AM
  3. power5's Avatar
    Heh. Sounds like all the people at the office who gave me hate about buying a small Italian compact car (Fiat) instead of a Toyota.

    Now they all crowd around it and ask for a ride in it and ask me how I like it. :)
    It will always always be like this. Everyone pokes fun at the guy with the new toy that is not completely accepted as something cool. Then when it becomes more accepted, everyone changes their mind and starts liking it, but never will go back and say thank you for plowing the road for the rest of us. Now we can all jump on your bandwagon and enjoy the ride with you.

    OT:
    My brother got a yellow 500 on launch and likes it very much. Can't beat his combined MPG of 45mpg. He drives mainly highway 100 miles a day, but even when we are going around town, he is still crushing my sonata mpg which was only advertised as as like 5mpg less. Mine gets 24mpg, which is barely at the EPA estimated city, though my average speed is under 30mph every tank. So it should be closer to city, but every single other car I have ever had was always dead smack in the middle of the highway/city numbers. I have not seen 35mpg yet except for instant mpg. All that said, I could not live with something as slow as the fiat. Great style, but really a loud slow car. Tell me, do you find the ignition key location to be a bit troublesome? I have a hard time getting the key into it due to how cramped it is. Though every single car he buys is much much higher resale than mine. He bought a smart at launch and sold it for way more than he had in it to get the fiat. Fiat is giving great new car deals though, so his resale will not be as good on it, but still light years ahead of my hyundai.
    10-15-2012 10:19 AM
  4. mlm1950's Avatar
    I feel like I am in an Android forum.
    10-15-2012 10:46 AM
  5. tk-093's Avatar
    BS. It has the exact same specs as other WP8 devices. Please stop lying.

    It's not "the best spec" because it has no better specs than the Lumia 920 or HTC 8X.
    Relax dude. He said it arguably has the best specs. Where's the lie?
    jedlink and Simon Tupper like this.
    10-15-2012 10:48 AM
  6. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    This is getting off topic... everybody's toy will be fantastic for sure.
    10-15-2012 11:01 AM
  7. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Yep, not the first thread started taking shots at nokia under the guise of something else. Just gets more transparent each time.
    I never took shots at Nokia, but I always said that it was not necessarily the best device for everyone... I also stated many times that I want a Lumia 920 or a ATIV s, but every time that someone states the cons or the not so useful about the Lumia 920 it is seen as Nokia bashing... Ironic since there is a huge amount of bashing towards the ATIV s and the ones who want it...
    10-15-2012 11:06 AM
  8. selfcreation's Avatar
    All the new WP are going to be very similar in turns of specs and quality, any one who says other wise is completely ignorent. It comes down to preference, 100%... each phones will have pros and cons that will tend to make people lean towards one OEM or n other!

    I agree that people are posting allot of dumb, useless and unwanted comments but that's what you get when the OS grows , and random new people join the forums with nothing constructive to add to the table. This causes people to dig deap just to have their voice heard witch leads to trolling,bashing and lack of judgment!!!!
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    10-15-2012 11:19 AM
  9. stmav's Avatar
    I never took shots at Nokia, but I always said that it was not necessarily the best device for everyone... I also stated many times that I want a Lumia 920 or a ATIV s, but every time that someone states the cons or the not so useful about the Lumia 920 it is seen as Nokia bashing... Ironic since there is a huge amount of bashing towards the ATIV s and the ones who want it...
    Didn't even mention any names but you answered. Thanks for making it so easy.

    Where is this huge amount of bashing towards ATIV? Winterfang alone attacks nokia more than the total number of people getting on samsung.

    Lighten up Francis.
    10-15-2012 11:31 AM
  10. tk-093's Avatar
    Lighten up Francis.
    I just watched that yesterday!
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    10-15-2012 11:32 AM
  11. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    Didn't even mention any names but you answered. Thanks for making it so easy.

    Where is this huge amount of bashing towards ATIV? Winterfang alone attacks nokia more than the total number of people getting on samsung.

    Lighten up Francis.
    Well since I created the thread... you were talking about me...
    10-15-2012 11:39 AM
  12. Xaphoon148's Avatar
    This shouldn't really be an issue.
    Both Lumia, Ativ S and the htc wp8 series are indeed WP8!
    I'm going to get a yellow Lumia 920, but all of you getting a
    Samsung, htc or any other WP8 device... Enjoy :)
    ramrac likes this.
    10-15-2012 11:57 AM
  13. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    I hope Samsung and HTC positively surprise me after Oct 29th.
    10-15-2012 12:00 PM
  14. stmav's Avatar
    I hope Samsung and HTC positively surprise me after Oct 29th.
    Ditto. I want to see all of them in person just to make sure.
    10-15-2012 12:03 PM
  15. ramrac's Avatar
    Relax dude. He said it arguably has the best specs. Where's the lie?
    Because he made it look like it had stronger specs than the others, which it doesn't. It has the same specs, same processor and RAM. It has a lower quality screen than the others, with that cheap Pentile panel.

    With 2 subpixels per pixel on the Pentile instead of 3 subpixel per pixel on a RGB panel, you can easily make the calculation of how many subpixels there are and come up with something interesting:

    720 pixels x 2 = 1440
    480 pixels x 3 = 1440

    For Samsung, it's a win-win: They get to produce as cheap as with lower resolution displays because of the saving in subpixels, but they get to write high numbers on the spec-sheets.

    As for the storage space (I already wrote a reply to that, but the system of this forum ended my session and so when I wanted to post it, it asked me to log in again and my post was los), my C: drive with Photoshop, Office and dozens of other programs takes up 30 GB, my Music Folder with over 2700 tracks around 13, my Photos Folder with over 5000 pics around 4-5Gb, and I doubt that someone will have that much stuff on their phone. I currently have about 10-12GB of media on my 16GB phone, and I severly doubt that WP8 and a whole truckload of 1-15MB Apps would take up anywere near 5GB, so on a 32GB phone you would, worst case scenario, still have around 25GB for media, which is twice as much as I have now and should be plenty for 4-5000 songs and easily a thousand photos that you would snap with your phone. Unless you want to carry around whole TV series' in HD, I don't see why non-expandable storage on a 32GB phone should be an issue. And if you do want to do that, just get a $250 7" tablet, they are incredibly cheap (given their specs, they are half the price of comparable phones, with a larger battery and screen), you will have much more pleasure watching videos on it than on a tiny phone screen which you have to hold close to your eyes, and you'll have more fun surfing the web with that larger screen, and they are still pocketable enough. I applaud the arrival of the cheap 7" tablets, as they give us the possibility to let our phones be phones again, and open up new possibilities for phone purchases as we no longer have to run after near 5" screens because we might want to surf the web more comfortably, we can now get "smaller" (4+ inches is still pretty large) phones which we can still surf on, and a tablet for longer sessions of web-browsing and movie watching. Now if only the phone manufacturers would understand that, and give us the same specs and technology that they have in their large phones in the ones with the human-sized screens, instead of forcing us to buy the larger phone just because we don't want 1-2 year old specs...
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    10-15-2012 12:26 PM
  16. ChrisLynch's Avatar
    All I am saying is that the ATIV s is a damn good device and it deserves respect... it might not have all the accessories that the Lumia has, but as far as I am concern it's like automobiles, more options doesn't mean better...
    Agreed, and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.

    I'm not bashing Nokia, but there really is no need to bother with special Purity Headphones. They are just Monster headphones made in special colors to match Lumia devices. Any brand of headphones will work, since the Lumias use standard 3.5mm headphone jacks and support A2DP Bluetooth. My Klipsch headphones, which I've had for over two years, work just fine.
    I know the Purity Headphones are made by Monster, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? You missed my point. My point was ECOSYSTEM of accessories. Sure, people like you and me will not care that much about accessories, but just look at the iPhone market. If you think for one second that people don't care, you are blind or have your head in the sand. With Nokia's announcements for the Lumia line, they clearly see this as a differentiator to the other ODM's in the Windows Phone family.
    10-15-2012 12:36 PM
  17. tk-093's Avatar
    Seems to me he was just stating his opinion. You can talk all you want about subpixals or whatever, but if my next phone has as awesome a screen as my GS3 does, I don't know how I could complain. I don't buy into the Apple hype of retina display crap... The iPhone 4S/5 looks awesome, as does the GS3.

    Just because you think the storage is enough at 32GB (and I agree with you that, for me personally, it will probably get by.) doesn't mean eveybody does. Telling somebody to get a 7" tablet just to have more storage seems pretty silly. Not everybody wants to spend $250 on a tablet when a $20 SD card can expand storage pretty easy. I hope to God phone makers don't stop making big screen phones. 7" tablets are just as hard to lug around as 10" ones..

    The ATIV has a bigger screen. It also have a bigger battery and is lighter. For some people, that will be a huge plus. It's not that big of a deal for me between the 920 and the ATIV, but it toally puts the 8X way at the bottom of my list. It brings nothing to the table compared to the other two. ATIV or 920.. first to Verizon wins for me. Neither device really blows the other one away.


    Because he made it look like it had stronger specs than the others, which it doesn't. It has the same specs, same processor and RAM. It has a lower quality screen than the others, with that cheap Pentile panel.

    With 2 subpixels per pixel on the Pentile instead of 3 subpixel per pixel on a RGB panel, you can easily make the calculation of how many subpixels there are and come up with something interesting:

    720 pixels x 2 = 1440
    480 pixels x 3 = 1440

    For Samsung, it's a win-win: They get to produce as cheap as with lower resolution displays because of the saving in subpixels, but they get to write high numbers on the spec-sheets.

    As for the storage space (I already wrote a reply to that, but the system of this forum ended my session and so when I wanted to post it, it asked me to log in again and my post was los), my C: drive with Photoshop, Office and dozens of other programs takes up 30 GB, my Music Folder with over 2700 tracks around 13, my Photos Folder with over 5000 pics around 4-5Gb, and I doubt that someone will have that much stuff on their phone. I currently have about 10-12GB of media on my 16GB phone, and I severly doubt that WP8 and a whole truckload of 1-15MB Apps would take up anywere near 5GB, so on a 32GB phone you would, worst case scenario, still have around 25GB for media, which is twice as much as I have now and should be plenty for 4-5000 songs and easily a thousand photos that you would snap with your phone. Unless you want to carry around whole TV series' in HD, I don't see why non-expandable storage on a 32GB phone should be an issue. And if you do want to do that, just get a $250 7" tablet, they are incredibly cheap (given their specs, they are half the price of comparable phones, with a larger battery and screen), you will have much more pleasure watching videos on it than on a tiny phone screen which you have to hold close to your eyes, and you'll have more fun surfing the web with that larger screen, and they are still pocketable enough. I applaud the arrival of the cheap 7" tablets, as they give us the possibility to let our phones be phones again, and open up new possibilities for phone purchases as we no longer have to run after near 5" screens because we might want to surf the web more comfortably, we can now get "smaller" (4+ inches is still pretty large) phones which we can still surf on, and a tablet for longer sessions of web-browsing and movie watching. Now if only the phone manufacturers would understand that, and give us the same specs and technology that they have in their large phones in the ones with the human-sized screens, instead of forcing us to buy the larger phone just because we don't want 1-2 year old specs...
    10-15-2012 02:02 PM
  18. independentvolume's Avatar
    Because he made it look like it had stronger specs than the others, which it doesn't. It has the same specs, same processor and RAM. It has a lower quality screen than the others, with that cheap Pentile panel.

    With 2 subpixels per pixel on the Pentile instead of 3 subpixel per pixel on a RGB panel, you can easily make the calculation of how many subpixels there are and come up with something interesting:

    720 pixels x 2 = 1440
    480 pixels x 3 = 1440

    For Samsung, it's a win-win: They get to produce as cheap as with lower resolution displays because of the saving in subpixels, but they get to write high numbers on the spec-sheets.

    As for the storage space (I already wrote a reply to that, but the system of this forum ended my session and so when I wanted to post it, it asked me to log in again and my post was los), my C: drive with Photoshop, Office and dozens of other programs takes up 30 GB, my Music Folder with over 2700 tracks around 13, my Photos Folder with over 5000 pics around 4-5Gb, and I doubt that someone will have that much stuff on their phone. I currently have about 10-12GB of media on my 16GB phone, and I severly doubt that WP8 and a whole truckload of 1-15MB Apps would take up anywere near 5GB, so on a 32GB phone you would, worst case scenario, still have around 25GB for media, which is twice as much as I have now and should be plenty for 4-5000 songs and easily a thousand photos that you would snap with your phone. Unless you want to carry around whole TV series' in HD, I don't see why non-expandable storage on a 32GB phone should be an issue. And if you do want to do that, just get a $250 7" tablet, they are incredibly cheap (given their specs, they are half the price of comparable phones, with a larger battery and screen), you will have much more pleasure watching videos on it than on a tiny phone screen which you have to hold close to your eyes, and you'll have more fun surfing the web with that larger screen, and they are still pocketable enough. I applaud the arrival of the cheap 7" tablets, as they give us the possibility to let our phones be phones again, and open up new possibilities for phone purchases as we no longer have to run after near 5" screens because we might want to surf the web more comfortably, we can now get "smaller" (4+ inches is still pretty large) phones which we can still surf on, and a tablet for longer sessions of web-browsing and movie watching. Now if only the phone manufacturers would understand that, and give us the same specs and technology that they have in their large phones in the ones with the human-sized screens, instead of forcing us to buy the larger phone just because we don't want 1-2 year old specs...
    I don't care about pixel numbers. I've seen the gs3 screen and it's super nice. The thing about screens though is you won't notice the difference of an average screen from an above average screen unless they are side by side.
    10-15-2012 02:13 PM
  19. tk-093's Avatar
    I don't care about pixel numbers. I've seen the gs3 screen and it's super nice. The thing about screens though is you won't notice the difference of an average screen from an above average screen unless they are side by side.
    And the GS3 is an above average screen... as I'm sure the 920 is as well. Pixal density is for Apple Fanboys.
    10-15-2012 02:22 PM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Agreed, and I wasn't trying to imply otherwise.



    I know the Purity Headphones are made by Monster, but what does that have to do with the discussion at hand? You missed my point. My point was ECOSYSTEM of accessories. Sure, people like you and me will not care that much about accessories, but just look at the iPhone market. If you think for one second that people don't care, you are blind or have your head in the sand. With Nokia's announcements for the Lumia line, they clearly see this as a differentiator to the other ODM's in the Windows Phone family.
    I really do not see any device-specific accessories, such as headphones or speaker docks, becoming popular other than for Apple products. This article states it well here: "You see, accessory manufacturers have a problem when designing for any device other than one of Apples offerings. Apples offerings use exactly the same connection and, most of the time, position it in the same location on each device. As a result, manufacturers simply need to accommodate different sized devices in order to make their iOS accessory universal across Apples line. (The worst case scenario requires a simple insert.) This is not the case when one leaves the world of iOS devices. Yes, while the microUSB connection is now standard, each device not only has a different size but also locates and orients the microUSB in a different place. For example, the HTC HD 7 has the microUSB connection on the bottom but offset a bit to the right. Another device I recently reviewed had the microUSB connection on the side while a third placed the microUSB connection on the top of the device. The connector is universal but thats as far as it goes. Thats a problem if youre looking to create one accessory that can be used with each and every device. It is, in fact, why we see such a limited number of device-specific accessories for each new Android or Windows Phone device. It is simply not cost effective."
    10-15-2012 02:24 PM
  21. tk-093's Avatar
    Yes, but so far the prevailing rumor is that all MicroSD connections for WP8 phones will in fact be on the bottom of the device right in the middle. This could actually allow for a much better accessory market... And NFC for all WP8 devices and it will make it easy to tap a phone to a speaker unit and pop it in the charger. I'm hopeful.




    I really do not see any device-specific accessories, such as headphones or speaker docks, becoming popular other than for Apple products. This article states it well here: "You see, accessory manufacturers have a problem when designing for any device other than one of Apples offerings. Apples offerings use exactly the same connection and, most of the time, position it in the same location on each device. As a result, manufacturers simply need to accommodate different sized devices in order to make their iOS accessory universal across Apples line. (The worst case scenario requires a simple insert.) This is not the case when one leaves the world of iOS devices. Yes, while the microUSB connection is now standard, each device not only has a different size but also locates and orients the microUSB in a different place. For example, the HTC HD 7 has the microUSB connection on the bottom but offset a bit to the right. Another device I recently reviewed had the microUSB connection on the side while a third placed the microUSB connection on the top of the device. The connector is universal but thats as far as it goes. Thats a problem if youre looking to create one accessory that can be used with each and every device. It is, in fact, why we see such a limited number of device-specific accessories for each new Android or Windows Phone device. It is simply not cost effective."
    10-15-2012 02:40 PM
  22. Reflexx's Avatar
    I honestly haven't seen much Samsung trashing at all.

    I do see people say that they personally think it feels cheap. But I don't think anyone has actually said that the device is bad of poor quality. They just personally don't like the feel of it.

    The same as how some people don't like how hefty the Nokias are.

    The problem is if someone says that feeling cheap means that it IS cheap. Which is not the case. My Samsung Focus has been great.

    But admittedly, I don't read the comments on articles as much as I read the forums. The articles might have a lot more undeserved trash talking about Samsung.

    But the forum tends to have a lot of trash talking about Nokia. (but to be fair, the actual "trash talk" is probably from about 3 members)
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    10-15-2012 03:06 PM
  23. stmav's Avatar
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    10-15-2012 03:41 PM
  24. larrynj's Avatar
    I suspect the trash talking will die down as soon as they are released. In general those who buy the Ativ will tend to stay in their forums and those who buy a Lumia will stay in the Lumia forums. Those who are in the market should be able to get better real life reviews on either.
    10-15-2012 04:31 PM
  25. power5's Avatar
    This is not the case when one leaves the world of iOS devices. Yes, while the microUSB connection is now standard, each device not only has a different size but also locates and orients the microUSB in a different place. For example, the HTC HD 7 has the microUSB connection on the bottom but offset a bit to the right. Another device I recently reviewed had the microUSB connection on the side while a third placed the microUSB connection on the top of the device. The connector is universal but thats as far as it goes. Thats a problem if youre looking to create one accessory that can be used with each and every device. It is, in fact, why we see such a limited number of device-specific accessories for each new Android or Windows Phone device. It is simply not cost effective."
    The worst part is that the manufacturers dont even seem to realize this. Why cant every HTC or samsung or Nokia have the USB in the same spot? Then they could at least put out their own line of accessories. They would be able to sell them quite well I think too.
    10-15-2012 05:02 PM
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