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  1. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I mean, I know how to do all of those things, but I honestly don't want my day-to-day PC experience to be a crapshoot, from a quality standpoint. I'd personally only recommend using the Technical Preview if:

    1. You don't mind something likely to have serious stability issues.
    2. You have a secondary computer as a test environment for the OS (or, at least, a spare HDD to put the OS on and play around).

    This isn't like Windows Phone's Preview for Developers, guys. Don't just think it's a free, easy way to get access early. It's going to give you fits, and it's why I won't touch it.
    10-04-2014 11:52 PM
  2. stephen_az's Avatar
    But I heard VM's are a lot slower and laggy than having the real deal, and my windows 8.1 OS will be safe on the other partition will it not??
    If your post is serious then it demonstrates the point of the OP. No offense but if you start with "but I heard" and then need to ask question about partitions you probably should not install it.
    10-05-2014 01:35 AM
  3. stephen_az's Avatar
    Dont ruin the experience by putting it on a VM drive.....install it on a separate partition.ive got it installed in boot camp on my 2009 mac mini .....runs great....plays skyrim good too
    Ruin what experience? It is pre-beta software and key bits of the experience aren't even included yet. I am sorry but that is appallingly bad and irresponsible advice to give to a total stranger whose expertise is unknown to you.
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    10-05-2014 01:39 AM
  4. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Dont ruin the experience by putting it on a VM drive.....install it on a separate partition.ive got it installed in boot camp on my 2009 mac mini .....runs great....plays skyrim good too
    If you want to do a whole dual boot scenario, good for you. This is an alpha release, I just want to check it out, not use it as my daily driver. And for that purpose, VM works just fine.
    10-05-2014 01:44 AM
  5. RichardBurt's Avatar
    This is what the tech review requires before allowing installation.

    In fact, maybe this is what the entire internet needs before allowing ANYBODY online!

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    10-05-2014 02:02 AM
  6. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    I mean, I know how to do all of those things, but I honestly don't want my day-to-day PC experience to be a crapshoot, from a quality standpoint. I'd personally only recommend using the Technical Preview if:

    1. You don't mind something likely to have serious stability issues.
    2. You have a secondary computer as a test environment for the OS (or, at least, a spare HDD to put the OS on and play around).

    This isn't like Windows Phone's Preview for Developers, guys. Don't just think it's a free, easy way to get access early. It's going to give you fits, and it's why I won't touch it.
    It's not actually as bad as you are making it out to be. I've only had a few minor issues so far.
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    10-05-2014 06:40 AM
  7. EC Translating Services's Avatar
    All issues should also be posted on the Microsoft Technical Preview forum here: Windows - Microsoft Community
    Microsoft made it easy. They have a small app that allows you to provide feedback directly from Windows 10. And when they have specific question a popup shows asking you a question. Click on it and provide feedback. They are now asking what we think and how we'd improve the Start button/UI part.

    As much as i can rant on WP i honestly find Microsoft to be doing a great job on W10. There is nothing to rant nor nothing to add. You said it much better than i'd have managed to do.
    10-05-2014 06:50 AM
  8. Funky Cricket's Avatar
    the problem is, have you read a lot of the questions, 16 year olds ruining their machines cause they have no clue what they are doing. People complaining a tech preview of an OS that won't be out for at least a year has issues. It's pretty bad. Just cause you can use instagram and install office for grandma doesn't qualify you as an EXPERT. if you aren't out of High School, chances are you don't have enough experience to be messing with it. (yes chances are, there are exceptions, and they know what dual boot means, or can install VMware player)
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    10-06-2014 10:42 AM
  9. RichardBurt's Avatar
    the problem is, have you read a lot of the questions, 16 year olds ruining their machines cause they have no clue what they are doing. People complaining a tech preview of an OS that won't be out for at least a year has issues. It's pretty bad. Just cause you can use instagram and install office for grandma doesn't qualify you as an EXPERT. if you aren't out of High School, chances are you don't have enough experience to be messing with it. (yes chances are, there are exceptions, and they know what dual boot means, or can install VMware player)
    The problem we have is that it is illegal to shoot those 16 year olds. Or slap them and tell them to learn how to use a search engine.

    Bring back the good old days!
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    10-06-2014 11:02 AM
  10. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    This release is intended for experts. Specifically, people in enterprises where they use keyboards and mice on desktop computers to accomplish actual work.

    I am very happy they are finally doing this, a public release where they actually seek and listen to real people's feedback. I used to have to visit unsavory forums where they discussed illegal leaks of prerelease software to be able to try things out, and giving feedback was a big no-no as you don't want the software police knowing you did that.

    I am very happy with the stability of it so far, and I do expect there to be some problems. I'm running it on my main machines, a Surface Pro 3 and a Lenovo desktop, but because I am the demographic they are looking for, an enterprise admin who has been fighting with Windows since the 2.x releases, I can safely do this because I am able to scrap a machine, reinstall it from my standard image, and be back working in no time. I already have all my important data stored on the network, not the local hard drive, so if it screws up and requires a wipe I really don't care.

    I do feel very sorry for the guys on the backend of the feedback monster, who will have to sort out the useful feedback provided by enterprise tech users, from all the other stuff provided by newbies who wonder why their connection to instagram crapped out or why this or that tile isn't updating properly, or want this or that feature completely ripped out and banished for all time, just because they as an individual don't like the way it looks.

    Already the feedback app is clogged and slowing down to the point of unusability. That's because of all the extraneous posts that have nothing to do with the scope of a technical preview.
    Example: "I installed AVG antivirus and having problems with Defender" - NO pre-RTM OS has ever supported existing antivirus, the vendors always wait until after RTM to fix their products.
    Example: "as with the windows 8, the same problem - all the time RAM light is on, and I hear as it is working, even tho I do nothing with my PC." - somebody who doesn't know the difference between RAM and a hard drive activity light cannot call themselves an expert, thus have disqualified themselves from credibility.
    Example: "I installed a game on this new windows 10. But Every time I launch the the game I got the xinput1_3.dll error. Please fix this error. That's will be great. Thanks" - so, you installed a tech preview of a new operating system and are surprised that some game that probably needs a new video card driver or some other thing doesn't work. Not only that, you didn't bother saying which game it was or anything about your hardware. Yep, you must be an enterprise expert.
    Last edited by PepperdotNet; 10-06-2014 at 11:33 AM.
    10-06-2014 11:18 AM
  11. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    @PepperdotNet

    The majority of enterprise users are far from experts lol

    Edit: Removed massive quote.
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    10-06-2014 11:39 AM
  12. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    The majority of enterprise users are far from experts lol
    This gave me a wry smile.
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-06-2014 11:42 AM
  13. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    @PepperdotNet

    The majority of enterprise users are far from experts lol
    Indeed!

    The preview is aimed at the enterprise admins and techs who have to deal with those enterprise users.
    10-06-2014 12:10 PM
  14. rodan01's Avatar
    Indeed!

    The preview is aimed at the enterprise admins and techs who have to deal with those enterprise users.
    The preview is for everyone. Microsoft benefits with more people, with different background, testing the software. That's why the preview is public and not distributed through msdn or other channel.
    10-06-2014 12:32 PM
  15. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    The preview is for everyone. Microsoft benefits with more people, with different background, testing the software. That's why the preview is public and not distributed through msdn or other channel.
    Yes, it is available to everyone but that doesn't mean it should be used by everyone. I will not personally discourage anyone from trying anything, and I certainly don't want to get in an argument here about what Microsoft was thinking when they released a technical preview to the public, but if you don't know how to recover your machine to a usable state, or how to make sure all your data is securely backed up, you're not the intended audience for something like this. It's not for the kid who installs a game and then the game crashes. For the developer of said game, maybe. It's probably even too early for that.

    Everyone who downloaded it indicated their agreement with a lot of disclaimers that basically said "if you're not an expert you should not try this" - so while feedback from ordinary users can be useful at some point, it's not yet what they are looking for.
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    10-06-2014 01:24 PM
  16. etphoto's Avatar
    Probably the majority of the negative posts are people that shouldn't be installing an alpha release but don't dismiss the negative posts as trolls trying to derail interest in the new version. I read the post with a grain of salt. Just like the "I'm on my 5th (name the device) and it will not work right" posts. I mean, how unlucky could a person be? 99% of the devices work well the first time but you had to exchange the device 5 times and you still don't have one that works? Trolls.
    10-06-2014 01:35 PM
  17. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If you have to ask if you're going to loose all your files, you shouldn't be running it. (The answer is it doesn't matter because if you're smart enough you already have those files backed up anyway)
    10-06-2014 04:18 PM
  18. rodan01's Avatar
    Yes, it is available to everyone but that doesn't mean it should be used by everyone. I will not personally discourage anyone from trying anything, and I certainly don't want to get in an argument here about what Microsoft was thinking when they released a technical preview to the public, but if you don't know how to recover your machine to a usable state, or how to make sure all your data is securely backed up, you're not the intended audience for something like this. It's not for the kid who installs a game and then the game crashes. For the developer of said game, maybe. It's probably even too early for that.

    Everyone who downloaded it indicated their agreement with a lot of disclaimers that basically said "if you're not an expert you should not try this" - so while feedback from ordinary users can be useful at some point, it's not yet what they are looking for.


    The procedure of installing an operating system is good barrier itself, It's not easy as clicking a button.
    10-06-2014 08:46 PM
  19. Richard Culverhouse's Avatar
    Everyone who downloaded it indicated their agreement with a lot of disclaimers that basically said "if you're not an expert you should not try this" ...
    There's a disclaimer...? I only saw a download link lol

    Seriously though, I am neither an admin nor expert, but very enthusiastic about Windows and where it is going. I am glad they didn't stick the downloads behind their tech sites to limit downloads like they used to.

    I know the risks, have a recent backup and know how to get things going again if it all goes tits-up. You know, ask question in the WPCentral forums lol /S
    10-07-2014 05:49 AM
  20. mjrtoo's Avatar
    The preview is for everyone. Microsoft benefits with more people, with different background, testing the software. That's why the preview is public and not distributed through msdn or other channel.
    Again, no one reads or watches videos anymore. It clearly states this isn't for everyone in several places and in several videos.
    10-07-2014 06:01 AM
  21. AvatarEW's Avatar
    And does it say 'if not, stay away'? If Microsoft wanted only 'experts' then they should have restricted it.

    I spent 45 years writing code for everything from mainframes to PC's so I think I might be deemed and 'expert' but I don't have the temerity to tell people that they can't be involved, if they wish. OP, unless your are a spokesman for MS, keep your ego in check.
    I love you!

    People who make quite broad statements about others egos the proceed to stroke their own! You're the best!

    Now to address your other non-personal attack point; neither you nor I have any say in what Microsoft does. They are the software manufacturer, they can do what they wish. You and I are allowed to agree or disagree. You have chosen to disagree. I respect your right to disagree.

    I do not respect your personal view on me. I will digress to address your last paragraph. Coding, in my experience, means nothing in this context. I've worked with some of the best coders on the world in some of the largest and best software companies in the world. This Technical Preview is presented as a QA situation, NOT a coding issue.

    Unless you are speaking for the coding community, please refrain from such broad personal attack statements and accept my post for what it is: a reasonable request that will benefit both the end users and Microsoft.
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    10-07-2014 11:15 AM
  22. rodan01's Avatar
    I love you!

    People who make quite broad statements about others egos the proceed to stroke their own! You're the best!

    Now to address your other non-personal attack point; neither you nor I have any say in what Microsoft does. They are the software manufacturer, they can do what they wish. You and I are allowed to agree or disagree. You have chosen to disagree. I respect your right to disagree.

    I do not respect your personal view on me. I will digress to address your last paragraph. Coding, in my experience, means nothing in this context. I've worked with some of the best coders on the world in some of the largest and best software companies in the world. This Technical Preview is presented as a QA situation, NOT a coding issue.

    Unless you are speaking for the coding community, please refrain from such broad personal attack statements and accept my post for what it is: a reasonable request that will benefit both the end users and Microsoft.


    What do you know about what they're doing? What are the objectives? What data are they recollecting? What is useful for them?, etc.

    You don't know nothing. That's the point. Why are you talking in name of others without knowing nothing?

    Serving coffee to "best coders on the world" doesn't give you telepathic abilities. The public statements of a company aren't necessarily their intentions.
    10-07-2014 11:43 AM
  23. AvatarEW's Avatar
    What do you know about what they're doing? What are the objectives? What data are they recollecting? What is useful for them?, etc.

    You don't know nothing. That's the point. Why are you talking in name of others without knowing nothing?

    Serving coffee to "best coders on the world" doesn't give you telepathic abilities. The public statements of a company aren't necessarily their intentions.

    Ah now we get to the crux of your argument.

    Your contention is not based on any logic. It is a personal issue with my qualifications. Rather than attack the issue, which you smartly recognize is a losing proposition to you, you attack the person. An age old tactic.

    Unfortunately for you, my qualifications are beyond reproach. Instead of shoving them down everyone's throat like you apparently need to do, I prefer to base my arguments on sound logical thinking and common sense.

    Word of advice: this is how you lose any argument. A personal attack shows you've lost the intellectual attack and gone for emotional attack in desperation. Please stop as you are losing credibility with every post on this matter.

    Should you persist in personal attacks, I will report you. Act like a child and I will treat you as such.
    10-08-2014 09:12 AM
  24. TOF1339's Avatar
    I've been through the 2 pages of posts but so far I've not seen mention of the easiest, and to me safest, way of playing with this new toy.
    Just use Windows to make a VHD on any of your HDD where you have room and mount the .iso ( I use ImDisk) and install to the VHD. Use EasyBCD to select it as a boot option and boot to it. Windows Eight forum has a complete tutorial on how to do this.

    So far in my playing I've installed the old Office97 plus developed Access apps with no problems on the vhd. Although it doesn't work completely and only plays QAM available TV, Windows Media Center is usable, just no EPG downloads. I'm far from an expert but I've been around the block a couple of times and I like where Windows 10 is headed.
    10-08-2014 11:07 AM
  25. JaiMento's Avatar
    I've been through the 2 pages of posts but so far I've not seen mention of the easiest, and to me safest, way of playing with this new toy.
    That's probably cause this topic isn't about what the easiest way is to play with "this new toy".
    10-08-2014 02:02 PM
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