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  1. Praxius's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile isn't going to be an Android like device. It doesn't look like it and it doesn't operate like it.

    The Hamburger buttons/menu is an Android thing?

    So sick of hearing this and have no idea what this actually means.

    The button with three lines rather than three dots??

    Anybody with Cortana on their phone, open it up and look around. There's a hamburger button there and it's been there from the start as far as I remember. And now people are complaining that there's a hamburger button in Cortana on Windows 10? It's nothing new and not anything Microsoft threw out as a surprise to anybody paying attention.

    The concept apps and UI for Windows 10 Mobile are the same as they always were in 7.5/7.8/8/8.1 but with some updated features.... Updated features people in the community have been asking for for a long time.

    Now they added those things in and suddenly they're still doing something wrong and people still find something to complain about.

    The hamburger buttons, the hamburger menus, the icons, the start menu, the start screen, the lack of transparency effects, the new settings menu.... People complained about Windows 8/8.1 (I didn't) and then complain that Windows 10 isn't like Windows 8/8.1
    01-30-2015 09:08 PM
  2. Yazen's Avatar
    They could be implementing an Android layer within WP OS
    01-30-2015 09:21 PM
  3. Yazen's Avatar
    Windows 10 Mobile isn't going to be an Android like device. It doesn't look like it and it doesn't operate like it.

    The Hamburger buttons/menu is an Android thing?

    So sick of hearing this and have no idea what this actually means.

    The button with three lines rather than three dots??

    Anybody with Cortana on their phone, open it up and look around. There's a hamburger button there and it's been there from the start as far as I remember. And now people are complaining that there's a hamburger button in Cortana on Windows 10? It's nothing new and not anything Microsoft threw out as a surprise to anybody paying attention.

    The concept apps and UI for Windows 10 Mobile are the same as they always were in 7.5/7.8/8/8.1 but with some updated features.... Updated features people in the community have been asking for for a long time.

    Now they added those things in and suddenly they're still doing something wrong and people still find something to complain about.

    The hamburger buttons, the hamburger menus, the icons, the start menu, the start screen, the lack of transparency effects, the new settings menu.... People complained about Windows 8/8.1 (I didn't) and then complain that Windows 10 isn't like Windows 8/8.1
    Compare apps between WP8 and W10.

    On WP8 every app followed a consistent and predictable design. W10 does not look to have the same coherency.

    Final release is not going to be drastically different either.

    Maybe it will grow on the Metro fans. I just hope W10 doesn't feel like a poor quality clone of Android..
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    01-30-2015 09:29 PM
  4. Visa Declined's Avatar
    If CM wins, Google would have to move more code into AOSP or risk losing users or hampering developers' abilities in Android.
    What on earth are you talking about. This makes zero sense, at all.
    01-30-2015 09:42 PM
  5. Visa Declined's Avatar
    They could be implementing an Android layer within WP OS
    /facepalm
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    01-30-2015 09:43 PM
  6. Jas00555's Avatar
    What on earth are you talking about. This makes zero sense, at all.
    Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to Google's strategy over the past few years. On one of the podcasts I watch (This Week in Google on Twit, although Android Central has touched on it too if you want to stay in Mobile Nations), the topic of how Google is trying to lock down and control Android has come up frequently.

    The way it was originally suppose to work, Google would continue to update AOSP, then anyone could fork that and make their own version of Android OS or use Google's version. The idea is that its all mostly equal. Over the past few years, Google has been deprecating APIs and slowly abandoning AOSP in favor of their own proprietary GMS. This has made it increasingly harder for people like Amazon or CM to compete, as you basically have to write for Google's version of Android (Snap chat is proof of this. In theory, Snap chat should be just like a lot of social media, but they require proprietary APIs that Google has put into GMS and left out of AOSP).

    Google has also tried this (albeit with rather limited success) with Android One, where they offer pure, skinless Android. Not related to AO, but just look at how pure Androidish Samsung has become. It use to be overly skinned and touchwized to hell, but Google has been locking things down. It sorta makes sense why they would want to, but that's beside the point.

    CM (and clearly many others including Microsoft) have noted this. CM is currently on 5% of Android devices and growing quickly. Their plan is to take that power away from Google and make it open. Many have interpreted this as somehow *they'll * be the next GMS, but (according to them anyways), they'll just want to make it open again, not to take down Google. It's obvious why that would hurt Google and why Microsoft would want it, but I'm not going to be the judge of what should/shouldn't happen.

    Frankly, I've seen many of your comments in the articles, so you'll probably dismiss then, then insult me for not preferring your preferred tech company (if you don't, I'll be impressed).
    Last edited by Jas00555; 01-30-2015 at 11:04 PM.
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    01-30-2015 10:36 PM
  7. JamesDax's Avatar
    The UI is strikingly similar to Android, so similar that the first thing I thought of when i saw the UI was that Windows 10 has to be a transitionary placeholder before Microsoft makes the full move to their own flavor of android. Not just the hamburger menu, but everything functions like android would.... What would be the point of making an OS when it looks and functions like another major OS? wheres the "windows selling points" of Hubs and Live tiles and what not? hubs dont exist anymore, live tiles arent saving the OS and can be replicated in an android fork (plus apps like the music app no longer has a live tile that it did before), major apps are jumping ship and other major apps are left in indefinate beta (instagram)...theres no difference in UI between android and windows other than the homescreen now, and the homescreen can be replicated in android if microsoft wanted to make their own fork....Also, at the Windows 10 event, they barely touched on the phone interface and features, as if its not a priority.

    Nokia X was the beginning experiments to see public sentiment. The recent investment in CyanogenMod makes me think this even more. Microsoft cares about selling services now more than selling "OSs" or even devices.

    Another thing i thought of is that Microsoft can do what they did with the xbox, they can run 3 operating systems on each phone/device... Windows for the services, Android for the apps, and a hypervisor to connect both... it can be seemless and the user would never notice, especially since the UIs are melded together now. my point here is that there are ways microsoft can go about this.

    The main reason i think they can move to android is for the apps of course. with all these companies jumping ship, and microsoft continuing to invest all their resources in iOS and Android apps before windows apps, it would be interesting to see if this becomes right. microsoft wants to sell services, so it wouldnt matter if the phone runs iOS or android, as long as youre subscribed to office and music and everything else.
    Troll harder.
    01-30-2015 11:15 PM
  8. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Let me start off again with the original quote:

    If CM wins, Google would have to move more code into AOSP or risk losing users or hampering developers' abilities in Android.
    The "code" that Google leaves out of AOSP is stuff like Play Services, the store, Chrome, etc. This is Google's stuff, and would never be included in AOSP to begin with. When you said "Google would have to move more code into AOSP".. exactly which "code" are you talking about? The Google apps and the back end that runs them is not part of AOSP.

    There is a group called the Open Handset Alliance, it is comprised of 84 different technology companies, and it works together in unison to manage and improve AOSP. Members of the group can use Google's proprietary "stuff" on their phones, but if they do, they have to pretty much use all of it. Not only that, but Google's apps have to have prominent placement on the home screen(s) of the device.

    Here's a snippet of what Google requires:

    The phone manufacturer must place “Google's Search and the Android Market Client icon [Google Play] ... at least on the panel immediately adjacent to the Default Home Screen,” with "all other Google Applications ... no more than one level below the Phone Top
    The phone manufacturer must set “Google Search ... as the default search provider for all Web search access points.” See MADA Section 3.4(4).

    Google's Network Location Provider service must be preloaded and the default.
    These are the things that people rebel against, they can't simply use one or two Google apps, and they MUST place everything exactly where Google wants them.

    Nobody is expecting them to "add their stuff" to AOSP, which is what I'm assuming what you are talking about. Handset makers can take AOSP and do whatever they want with it without Google apps(except dual boot with Windows) or they can play by Google's rules and include the crown jewels.

    *edit
    Maybe AOSP WOULD be allowed to dual boot with Windows, but the Google version of Android has been barred from doing so in the past.
    Last edited by Visa Declined; 01-31-2015 at 12:52 AM.
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    01-30-2015 11:15 PM
  9. Sidharth N Iyer's Avatar
    I don't think so. But there is only some common features. In action centre we can add more toggle by expanding it... Also we can change the position of the keyboard which is integrated with Cortana... That's a good feature which is commonly found in android devices.
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    01-30-2015 11:31 PM
  10. Jazmac's Avatar
    I don't care. I think this cynogen adoption into our phones is the shot in the arm this platform needs. If Cynogen can help this platform to gain a foothold into mobile let it be so. Just as long as we don't have to deal with scroogle in the process, I'm good with Cynogenmod in our platform. My only fight would be to maintain our design language.
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    01-30-2015 11:48 PM
  11. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I don't care. I think this cynogen adoption into our phones is the shot in the arm this platform needs. If Cynogen can help this platform to gain a foothold into mobile let it be so. Just as long as we don't have to deal with scroogle in the process, I'm good with Cynogenmod in our platform. My only fight would be to maintain our design language.
    Look, this is all speculation, and we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. But lets just say for a minute that Microsoft came out with a phone that ran Android, but had MS apps instead of Google's. Would you buy it? Did you buy a Nokia X phone? were you excited about those devices?

    A Microsoft phone that ran CyanogenMod would be a shining alter of everything you guys hate. We've seen this happen already. It would not be a Windows device, it would be Android.

    For all we know, Microsoft could have zero interest in doing something like this(probably) and they might simply be negotiating to get their apps included in the CyanogenMod OS.(most likely)

    When you say "if CyanogenMod can help this platform gain a foothold," exactly which platform are you speaking of? Windows Phone? CyanogenMod can't help WP with anything, at least not anything that I can foresee. Maybe someone else could chime in here.
    01-31-2015 12:24 AM
  12. srikanth reddy4's Avatar
    the difference here is with OEMs that might choose to use CyanogenMod instead of google android
    yes your absolutely right.The real motto of Microsoft is clear they are helping in the development of CyanogenMod so that many OEMs choose CyanogenMod rom instead of google's and also this can give a more market for Microsoft's android apps.
    01-31-2015 12:25 AM
  13. Visa Declined's Avatar
    The real motto of Microsoft is clear they are helping in the development of CyanogenMod so that many OEMs choose CyanogenMod rom instead of google's
    Look, saying this is going make me even more unpopular than I already am, but an Android phone without Google apps is going to flop. OEM's know this, which is why they put up with Google's bs.
    01-31-2015 12:45 AM
  14. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    No one has actually seen the W10 for phone UI yet...

    A few blurry screenshots and a few Office 10 and OneDrive shots from the video presentation do not mean anything. Of course the 'knee jerk' crowd have drawn a massive conclusion and that is that as far as they are concerned.

    Until we actually see the finished product, any conclusions are moot!!!

    What are you going to say when Windows 10 for phones is revealed and when we are right? What more do you want to see? They showed Office apps, new dialer, new gallery. Isn't it enough to draw a conclusion?
    01-31-2015 12:51 AM
  15. Visa Declined's Avatar
    What are you going to say when Windows 10 for phones is revealed and when we are right? What more do you want to see? They showed Office apps, new dialer, new gallery. Isn't it enough to draw a conclusion?
    If I may add in here, from what I've seen of Windows 10 on phone so far, it's a drastic change. and I agree that it has "other" influence. As long as they keep the Live Tiles though idgaf, the big spaces and spaced out wording isn't very attractive to me.
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    01-31-2015 12:58 AM
  16. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    If I may add in here, from what I've seen of Windows 10 on phone so far, it's a drastic change. and I agree that it has "other" influence. As long as they keep the Live Tiles though idgaf, the big spaces and spaced out wording isn't very attractive to me.

    But it's not just about you, right?
    01-31-2015 12:59 AM
  17. Visa Declined's Avatar
    But it's not just about you, right?
    No, and I was speaking only for myself.

    I've seen OS's in the past go through big visual changes, and sometimes there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth. In every single one of those circumstances though, the people get over it, they get used to it, and they realize that the change was good. You can't please everybody though.
    01-31-2015 01:39 AM
  18. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    No, and I was speaking only for myself.

    I've seen OS's in the past go through big visual changes, and sometimes there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth. In every single one of those circumstances though, the people get over it, they get used to it, and they realize that the change was good. You can't please everybody though.


    It is not gnashing teeth. It is stating opinion. Which I think, Microsoft should retain their design language. Just like Apple does. You remember the old Facebook app for Windows Phone, which was a bit different looking? Facebook changed that design saying they want same design across all platforms. But when iOS 7 was released, they redesigned their iPhone app to match the iOS 7 design. See, this is what happens when you stick to your own principles, be them design or something else.



    Big headers are a problem, okay make headers a bit small. But tabs instead of pivots is not a good idea, and i would like to call it only copying. And again, I have said numerous times, it's not about the hamburger menu, it is about the implementation. It is difficult for one handed operations. This is a simple thing, why you all don't get it?
    01-31-2015 01:47 AM
  19. Muessig's Avatar
    I think its fairly clear that Microsoft are changing the UI in order to provide one consistent experience across all devices on Windows 10. This in no way means we are going to see Microsoft abandon WP and start developing a fork of android. Nokia tried that and Microsoft shut them down as soon as they could.

    I think the OP might be using wishful thinking in relations to Microsoft's recent news with Cyanogen.
    01-31-2015 02:00 AM
  20. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Microsoft should retain their design language. Just like Apple does.
    Do you not remember how much Apple changed in iOS 7?, they even changed their font. People were angry, but they like it now.
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    01-31-2015 02:01 AM
  21. white_Shadoww's Avatar
    Do you not remember how much Apple changed in iOS 7?, they even changed their font. People were angry, but they like it now.

    They headed in the right direction. They didn't copy anyone. But we, in the wrong direction, losing the uniqueness.
    01-31-2015 02:02 AM
  22. EBUK's Avatar
    Nope. I think Microsoft is just doing such so that Android and iOS users will not be feeling overwhelmed when they will be making the switch to Windows 10...
    I switched from Android. It wasn't overwhelming. It was a very pleasant surprise at how well thought out some features are. However, I do feel overwhelmed whenever I have to use an Android device. So unintuitive.

    Whatever, if the uncertain redesign we've glimpsed result is Android and iOS devs porting apps to WP, then it's a price worth paying. The interface can always be gradually reverted.
    01-31-2015 03:09 AM
  23. Darthbobcat's Avatar
    If Cyanogen caught on and had Bing and other Microsoft platforms prominently placed, that could be a substantial boost for them. After all, Cyanogen seems to be used by Android enthusiasts who like to mess with their machines; they're unlikely to pick up a Windows phone anyway.
    01-31-2015 03:57 AM
  24. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Visa Declined, What do you think Microsoft should do with WP 10 for phone to increase their percentage of the mobile market?
    01-31-2015 04:25 AM
  25. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Visa Declined, What do you think Microsoft should do with WP 10 for phone to increase their percentage of the mobile market?
    Fill in all the holes in the store, make a mobile Spartan browser that's beautiful=everybody hates IE, build hardware that's even more unique, make it so the OS can be tweaked and changed=let handset makers personalize it, start selling devices cheaper...these things would help.

    There's only so much that can be done, not having access to Google apps and services is severely hurting Window Phone. For every person here who "doesn't need those" there's a couple million that won't buy a phone without them.
    01-31-2015 04:54 AM
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