04-28-2015 11:00 AM
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  1. Yazen's Avatar
    I honestly do not think for one second WP users are holding back WP at all.

    If you want to be honest, WP7 was technically a sales flop. Period. Windows Mobile devices were STILL outselling WP 7 devices when WP 8 was announced. It took Nokia coming on board to change that.

    WP 8 was announced, and sales improved. WP 8 was a serious step up, and if I am right I was among the last of the regulars on this site to put away the WP7 and get a WP8.

    WP 8.1 was announced, and again we all got excited. Sales -particularly in Europe and to a lesser degree India, and mostly on the low end devices- continued small but noticeable improvements.

    I expect the same in Windows 10. What that tells me is the improvements are driving sales. If we were really "holding things back", wouldn't we all still be rocking Nokia 900's??
    Nokia 808 ftw
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    04-10-2015 03:30 AM
  2. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Their implementation of a notification tray is terrible.

    If they are going to change the UI design, at least make the OS more practical to use. When MyTube and Readit sport the Windows 10 look I will be switching to a ZenFone 2
    While I have no absolute doubt that they would have a Windows 10 app ready. They can have their own look for their apps on each form factor for Windows 10 while it's easier to have their apps run on all Windows devices. They can have a hamburger for the tablet and PC app and have a pivot for the phone. Its just changing the layout pretty much
    04-10-2015 04:04 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I mean look at the notification centre from WP8.1 everybody hated it and wanted it to go away and look at it now. Its a tool that everybody uses. Same with the UI with Windows 10. Everybody hates the new UI for Windows 10 for phones.
    I'll be happy to say that I think the notifications centre is crap and a poor implementation that could easily have been done way better and suited the OS better. The action centre I am happy with though, in general.

    I'm planing on testing out W10 soon on my L920 and then I'll provide a proper opinion. I can't hate something I haven't tried.

    The OS is also for small tablets, putting a full screen date and time pickers makes NO sense whatsoever. have you guys thought about them? Of course not
    It makes it easy to use though does it not? Nothing I hate more than fiddling with something. Got a better idea?

    Get over it guys, Metro UI lost. Its out of date and no longer acceptable to have the same UI for a long time, let alone years what MS did
    So what are we putting in place? Is the new W10 for phones not tiled? Is that not Metro? Do you understand the design language in the first place? The only reason why things have gone the way they have is because MS wanted control of updates and the carriers gave them the big finger. So WP had to change. If MS had their way things would be a lot better but that's not reality unfortunately.

    Do you agree we WP fans are clinging to the past and not letting WP evolve the way it's supposed to?
    WP has evolved. Not sure where you've been.

    Do you like live tiles? Did you understand the point of them? Why are you on WP if you think the interface old and tired? What's a better solution? How about giving some idea of how to do things better?

    All I see is a lot of opinion with no substance and no references. Seems trollish if you ask me.
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    04-10-2015 04:40 AM
  4. 12Danny123's Avatar
    I'll be happy to say that I think the notifications centre is crap and a poor implementation that could easily have been done way better and suited the OS better. The action centre I am happy with though, in general.

    I'm planing on testing out W10 soon on my L920 and then I'll provide a proper opinion. I can't hate something I haven't tried.



    It makes it easy to use though does it not? Nothing I hate more than fiddling with something. Got a better idea?



    So what are we putting in place? Is the new W10 for phones not tiled? Is that not Metro? Do you understand the design language in the first place? The only reason why things have gone the way they have is because MS wanted control of updates and the carriers gave them the big finger. So WP had to change. If MS had their way things would be a lot better but that's not reality unfortunately.



    WP has evolved. Not sure where you've been.

    Do you like live tiles? Did you understand the point of them? Why are you on WP if you think the interface old and tired? What's a better solution? How about giving some idea of how to do things better?

    All I see is a lot of opinion with no substance and no references. Seems trollish if you ask me.
    While it is my opinion. But, I think we need to understand that having the same design language as WP8.1 isn't going to solve any problems that Windows, Xbox and WP had with consistency and integration. Also I think the best way for having a date and time picker is definitely Microsoft's way of implementing.
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    04-10-2015 04:53 AM
  5. Kram Sacul's Avatar
    I mean look at the notification centre from WP8.1 everybody hated it and wanted it to go away and look at it now. Its a tool that everybody uses. Same with the UI with Windows 10. Everybody hates the new UI for Windows 10 for phones.
    There's a big difference between the notification center in 8.1 and the look of W10. While the NC in 8.1 is an obvious lift from Android at least it caries the clean and clear design language of the rest of the OS. You just can't say the same about the look of W10 which is bland and poorly designed at best. Some may see that as an evolution but for most who came to WP because it was unique, stylish and easy to use know it's a big backwards step. I hope MS proves me wrong and the finished product isn't a half-assed mess but I doubt it.
    04-10-2015 04:57 AM
  6. kklemn's Avatar
    ah.. people are nagging about the looks, which is the most abstract thing... at this stage of WP we need to demand features, not complain about the UI...
    the visuals are part of a concept that MS decided to go with on all platforms (you can se it in W10 for PC). it'll be fine.
    04-10-2015 04:58 AM
  7. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    While it is my opinion. But, I think we need to understand that having the same design language as WP8.1 isn't going to solve any problems that Windows, Xbox and WP had with consistency and integration. Also I think the best way for having a date and time picker is definitely Microsoft's way of implementing.
    My point was that Metro is the design language. Flat, sleek and simple in other words. W10 is supposed to be the thing brings everything together finally but still a starting point.

    I wasn't suggesting for a moment that WP8.0 or WP8.1 was the pinnacle of that design either.

    I agree with the date and time picker!
    04-10-2015 05:03 AM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    ah.. people are nagging about the looks, which is the most abstract thing... at this stage of WP we need to demand features, not complain about the UI...
    the visuals are part of a concept that MS decided to go with on all platforms (you can se it in W10 for PC). it'll be fine.
    What features are missing if you don't mind me asking? What does any other OS have over WP aside from more and popular apps?

    I have no issues with the UI at this moment.
    04-10-2015 05:06 AM
  9. Yazen's Avatar
    What features are missing if you don't mind me asking? What does any other OS have over WP aside from more and popular apps?

    I have no issues with the UI at this moment.
    Background tasks. Have to leave apps open to upload photos, e.g WhatsApp.
    Usability issues, inconsistencies, etc. Background suspension is still pretty bad, even in WP8.1 .. In contrast iOS is far more mature, despite its added restrictions
    04-10-2015 05:18 AM
  10. WPit's Avatar
    Yes, there are those who think differently and this is perfectly normal, part of the game. At the same time, this won't hold our platform from evolving, on the contrary, it will help the development process through various channels.

    My case, for example, is that I'm with WP since 2012 out of basically two reasons: a) since then, I can afford a smartphone (900, 925, 930 - 925 and 930 still active, sold the 900); b) phone OS is Microsoft and I like everything the company does since the beginning of Windows (I was there as a consumer - Intel 386 (my father's) anyone?). I'm that guy who won't jump ship, you know? Cheers!
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    04-10-2015 05:49 AM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    I honestly do not think for one second WP users are holding back WP at all.
    I agree, but I have a different idea as to why I feel that way. For one thing, I think we're defining "holding back" differently. You're basically saying that WP is not being held back, and is growing. I'm not quite so optimistic. If you read reports from a couple years ago, pretty much everyone thought that WP would be holding a 10%, 15%, or even 20% market share by now. It would be hurting Apple big time, and even making a serious dent in Android's grip on the market. But since WP8 was released, it has not grown at all by market share. Absolute numbers, yes, but the overall smartphone market has grown even more.

    I guess I'm a bit more cynical about why I feel WP users are not holding back WP. Does Microsoft listen to us at all? Now I know that there's a uservoice where we can input our suggestions. I've used it myself, but I have yet to see where it's made a difference. I spend my entire workday in Microsoft's enterprise ecosystem. I've used uservoice for things besides WP.

    I think uservoice is a placebo more than anything. And even if a highly requested feature comes out, how do we know it's because of uservoice? Maybe Microsoft was planning on it before it came up on uservoice. Who knows?

    In a nutshell, we're not holding back WP because even if we make suggestions that involve leaving the UI as it is, I'm pretty sure it won't make a difference.
    04-10-2015 07:12 AM
  12. ajayden's Avatar
    Background tasks. Have to leave apps open to upload photos, e.g WhatsApp.
    Usability issues, inconsistencies, etc. Background suspension is still pretty bad, even in WP8.1 .. In contrast iOS is far more mature, despite its added restrictions
    Background tasks is not for uploading photos on whatsapp. All OS have background tasks for push notifications. That's how it works.
    04-10-2015 07:53 AM
  13. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    Commenting on the OP, I don't believe Windows Phone users are holding back the platform, its Microsoft itself holding themselves back. I have one word to describe Microsoft and their need to stay relevant......... Nokia. Back in 2007, Nokia didn't take Apple seriously and look where they are today. Though it's highly unlikely Microsoft will be bought out by another company, my point is that they need new features and improvements in the grand scheme of things to stay relevant and competitive. The only people that will ultimately hold Microsoft back is Microsoft, especially if they fail to listen to their loyal user base and fail to improve the features of the competition and make it distinctively unique/stand out.
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    04-10-2015 08:04 AM
  14. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Metro was one of Microsoft's biggest mistakes.
    04-10-2015 08:04 AM
  15. Sonu K's Avatar
    I always thought it was hilarious that people would say "we don't need a notification center, we have live tiles!". A proper notification center is way more effective than a square flipping through random information that changes before you can even read it. "Live tiles" are good for information "at a glance", nothing else.
    If you hate 'Live tiles', you are using the wrong OS man. Go back to where you came from. I'm not saying Notification center is bad. But saying Live tiles is just a flipping square with random information is like saying notification center is just a pull down page with shortcut buttons. Meh!
    Have some more thoughts into the utility of it will ya?
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    04-10-2015 09:01 AM
  16. WPmaniac4 25's Avatar
    Yes they are. Just because android uses wireframe icons doesn't mean when they appear on your phone the whole experience will be cripples. To evolve you need to embrace change
    04-10-2015 09:12 AM
  17. PratikMade's Avatar
    Yup I agree, majority of them want simplicity and too much of simplicity is not good for power users who want most from their personal devices
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    04-10-2015 09:17 AM
  18. TheCudder's Avatar
    If you hate 'Live tiles', you are using the wrong OS man. Go back to where you came from. I'm not saying Notification center is bad. But saying Live tiles is just a flipping square with random information is like saying notification center is just a pull down page with shortcut buttons. Meh!
    Have some more thoughts into the utility of it will ya?
    Feel free to tell me when & where I said "I hate live tiles"? Live tiles are great for getting a glance view of current news headlines, seeing the current song playing, seeing stocks & seeing weather. But a notification center brings ADDED functionality that Live Tiles simply don't have at the moment. A live tiles shows that I have a new message available, great...but it opens me up to the SMS app with all of the SMS messages. The notification center takes me directly to the new message --- and with Windows 10 Mobile, you can reply to the new message directly from the notification center. Live Tiles for items such as a Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Airplane mode, screen brightness toggle is wasted space on the home screen for myself personally, I much prefer being able to swipe down a hidden menu to access such toggles. My home screen is dedicated to apps I frequent use or tiles I frequently look at for quick info.

    FYI, the "random info" comment was an exaggeration, but it was in reference to the fact that when you tap a live tile, you aren't taken to the item that was just displayed on it --- extremely annoying for news headlines that are no where to be found once you open the app.
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    04-10-2015 09:23 AM
  19. wpfan86's Avatar
    There is a difference between wanting the OS to "change" and wanting it to "evolve". Evolve means recognizing shortcomings and adapting to fix or improve the experience. Change is simply making something different for the sake of making it different. What the OP seems to be suggesting is "changing" not evolving.

    Adding the notification center was an example of evolving. It recognized a shortcoming (being unable to queue up missed notifications) and found a way to add that ability without changing the core OS.

    Doing away with live tiles is a change for the sake of changing. Of all the complaints users and non-users have about WP, live tiles are not one of them. The idea is to make improvements, not just make changes.
    04-10-2015 09:52 AM
  20. Withheld's Avatar
    Loved every advancement of the OS and in just over an hour from now, I know the wait will have been all worth it
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    04-10-2015 10:29 AM
  21. jomarr's Avatar
    I mean look at the notification centre from WP8.1 everybody hated it and wanted it to go away and look at it now. Its a tool that everybody uses. Same with the UI with Windows 10. Everybody hates the new UI for Windows 10 for phones.

    The OS is also for small tablets, putting a full screen date and time pickers makes NO sense whatsoever. have you guys thought about them? Of course not

    Get over it guys, Metro UI lost. Its out of date and no longer acceptable to have the same UI for a long time, let alone years what MS did

    Do you agree we WP fans are clinging to the past and not letting WP evolve the way it's supposed to?

    PS this is all my opinion. So judge all you want
    Android and iOS completely revamped their UI? No? Then I think it's not Microsoft's fault since everyone is still sticking to their roots. Google's greedy take on Windows Phone hinders the growth of the mobile world. Google not making apps for Windows Phone hinders development and growth of mobile tech.

    Google wants the mobile world to remain a duopoly and that's partially to blame of the shortcomings in terms of Mobile OSes. They know they cannot monopolize the Mobile Industry because iOS will remain the leader in the flagship area and that wouldn't change anytime soon. Microsoft is right now on par with iOS and Google sans the apps which isn't as big of an issue it was say 2 years ago.

    Microsoft's fault here is they cannot market their phones properly but right now with good valued Windows Phones in the market, their share will be remarkably bigger this year than any of the years before at the end of 2015. Windows 10 will be a turning point and the make or break of Microsoft. The Surface Phone needs to happen and a catchy name would definitely help. Naming their phones after numbers and releasing lots of them is confusing. They should name their next gen phones with words and focus on four editions of phones namely the flagship, the flagshipXL (phablets), midrange and entry level.

    We really can't blame the users since Win10 TP is the most comprehensive preview of the OS and this is still in ALPHA. We may or may not see this UI, these features in the final build.
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    04-10-2015 10:37 AM
  22. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Is this going to be an alpha or a beta pre-release version?
    04-10-2015 10:38 AM
  23. squire777's Avatar
    I mean look at the notification centre from WP8.1 everybody hated it and wanted it to go away and look at it now. Its a tool that everybody uses. Same with the UI with Windows 10. Everybody hates the new UI for Windows 10 for phones.

    The OS is also for small tablets, putting a full screen date and time pickers makes NO sense whatsoever. have you guys thought about them? Of course not

    Get over it guys, Metro UI lost. Its out of date and no longer acceptable to have the same UI for a long time, let alone years what MS did

    Do you agree we WP fans are clinging to the past and not letting WP evolve the way it's supposed to?

    PS this is all my opinion. So judge all you want
    I agree, and if there is one thing I have learned about many WP fans is that they are whiners and complain about most changes. They feel some kind of inferiority to iOS and Android users and feel that any changes will make them look even lesser in the eyes of their rivals.
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    04-10-2015 10:48 AM
  24. hal Turnage's Avatar
    Definitely more then 2 people complained about just keeping live tiles for notifications instead of the pull down curtain.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
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    04-10-2015 10:54 AM
  25. hagjohn's Avatar
    I have to see how 10 looks on my phone. I will say, I do like the minimal look of Metro. On Windows, I think they went too far to the desktop side for Windows 10. I think they could have compromised a bit better between tablet and desktop.
    04-10-2015 11:11 AM
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