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  1. omagic82's Avatar
    The more I look at screenshots of Windows 10 for mobile the more I wonder why I don't just get an Android device, since the UI is pretty much heading in that direction anyway. Since Microsoft has put more time and energy into making sure their own apps are updated faster and more often on iOS and Android anyway, the only real differentiator between a Windows Phone and everyone else was the camera and UI. Since its inception, the Windows Phone UI was based on spacing and typography. Little-to-no chrome.

    With Windows 10 mobile all I've seen is a major step away from the UI elements that made Windows Phone so great. Look no further than the new email, messaging and photos app. As a longtime WP user this frustrates me. I was willing to constantly be left behind in apps and games because I liked the style of my OS. I'll wait until Windows Mobile 10 comes out to make a final judgement, but I can see myself leaving Windows Phone if they continue to choose not to differentiate themselves with the UI. I suppose the preview time is our platform to let Microsoft know that we don't like the direction they are taking WP with regards to the UI.

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    01-29-2015 08:50 AM
  2. Quhi's Avatar
    I really hope that they will find a compromise between functions and the old style...
    01-29-2015 08:55 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Well, that's what people kept wanting so that's what WP is getting. Everyone was on about looks more than actual ability.

    Then again, as MS has moved into Android and iOS maybe they want a consistent look across all OS types. Which would make sense.

    Either way it will be what it will be. Whether people want the new WP will be a question mark that can only be answered once it's released and on sale.
    Joshwin and rahul rustagi1 like this.
    01-29-2015 08:56 AM
  4. dKp1977's Avatar
    Tbh, the new mail app looks waaaaaaay better and seems to offer more functionality than any of its predecessors. Apps look similar everywhere anyways. Maybe because devs don't want to put additional effort in creating a new layout for each mobile OS, maybe for some other reasons. But with Microsoft ditching some of their older guidelines, they make it easier for users of competing OS'es to switch over to WP, since app navigation feels familiar. And not to forget that some changes have been made simply because other navigation solutions were working better than what WP offered.
    But what you're talking here is apps, the OS UI itself hasn't changed a lot. It's still easy to recognize among everything else.
    k0de, iamakii, ven07 and 18 others like this.
    01-29-2015 08:57 AM
  5. x I'm tc's Avatar
    While every mail app in the world offers more functionality than the one on WP, I disagree that the new one looks better. As the OP said, the only good thing about WP is its aesthetics, and those are being compromised.
    01-29-2015 10:00 AM
  6. Bagzton's Avatar
    I'll just have to wait till I get my hands on WP10, then I'll know. Good thing we'll be getting previews and also have user voice sites, I hope we make good use of it if there're stuff we don't like.
    a5cent, Kevin Rush and ven07 like this.
    01-29-2015 10:25 AM
  7. link68759's Avatar
    Yeah I don't understand the hamburger menu. I'm holding my phone with my right hand and my thumb cannot easily reach either corner of the screen, particularly hard to reach the top left corner (without the palm of my hand getting close enough to the bottom right to screw up what I'm trying to do). Hey, you know those handy menus and buttons on the bottom? Yeah let's move them so they're always inconvenient to access.
    01-29-2015 10:29 AM
  8. JohnStrk's Avatar
    Just looking at the two photos above, I actually like the nice new clean look of the mail app in Windows 10 mobile, but do not care for the hard to reach menu or navigation at the top. That said I really didn't care for the menu bar taking up space the way it is now and wish it could be hidden more.
    01-29-2015 10:42 AM
  9. cyborgnish's Avatar
    I will reserve my comment for the time when I get my hands on DP for WP 10
    ven07, portalfocus, ML10 and 1 others like this.
    01-29-2015 10:47 AM
  10. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    I just can't get the idea, phones are different, they can't use the same PC UI, I know the one experience BS, we want WP elements with the new features, bring the buttons as is to the bottom, remove the stupid hamburger and give is the lovely three dots.
    My opinion, sorry for bad English+ bad words, just I can't believe that WP will look like Android
    01-29-2015 10:50 AM
  11. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Dude, you're judging a product you've never used by screenshots.
    01-29-2015 11:21 AM
  12. muvig's Avatar
    The best is the old UI, if given the choice I will choose the old ui which makes my life easier when using one hand. This hamburger thing is a cause for concern. It's best for bigger gadget where one uses both hands or mouse.
    01-29-2015 11:25 AM
  13. omagic82's Avatar
    @FAHMI BASSEM I think screenshots are plenty to get started on when talking about just UI. I said nothing in my post about usability or anything else. We are simply discussing style. Besides, I did say "I'll wait until Windows Mobile 10 comes out to make a final judgement..."
    01-29-2015 12:22 PM
  14. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    @FAHMI BASSEM I think screenshots are plenty to get started on when talking about just UI. I said nothing in my post about usability or anything else. We are simply discussing style. Besides, I did say "I'll wait until Windows Mobile 10 comes out to make a final judgement..."
    Yes I do know, but since Windows phone 8.1, MS started killing some elements, photos app for example, we had a unique experience with exclusive UI for it, now it looks like Droid or iPhone. +I think the screenshots are enough to give some judgments, hamburger is not acceptable.
    01-29-2015 03:24 PM
  15. tiziano27's Avatar
    I think strategically for Microsoft is important to make WP10 as similar as possible to Android, because there is a good possibility that universal apps won't help much to solve the app gap. In that scenario, adding support for Android apps is the only way forward. But, Android apps won't run as well in WP as they do in Android, so, the next logical step would be to adopt Cyanogen and port the Start screen, Universal apps, Cortana and all the other exclusive features of WP to the Android fork.

    Plan B is Android, Microsoft has to be ready.
    01-29-2015 03:28 PM
  16. mortici's Avatar
    I think strategically for Microsoft is important to make WP10 as similar as possible to Android, because there is a good possibility that universal apps won't help much to solve the app gap. In that scenario, adding support to Android apps is the only way forward. But, Android apps won't run as well in WP as they do in Android, so, the next logical step would be adopt Cyanogen and port the Start screen, Universal apps, Cortana and all the other exclusive features of WP to the Android fork.

    Plan B is Android, Microsoft has to be ready.
    This would be literally the dumbest move in the world. Why the hell did they create the ability to run the same OS across any size device.

    The hell is wrong with you people. Stop doubting the platform and start praising it, to me its the best one out of the top 3 (4 if you count BB) and talking about using android or becoming like android or running anything android is border line mental (in my opinion). What is the point for MS on creating a fork when you can just go buy an android phone, there is no point, no advantage, no monetary incentive to do this. In fact it would be cheaper and more effective to just drop mobile completely at that point and develop apps for the other platform and leave you to a duopoly you all seem to want so bad...

    /rant
    muvig, ven07, Al4video and 3 others like this.
    01-29-2015 03:35 PM
  17. kklemn's Avatar
    omg, stop the nonsense... so what if there is the hamburger menu? i see a LOT more functions in the mail app, and that's great!
    it's not a change of the UI but the developement. while the 8.1 mail app looks very simple, it lacks a LOT of functions (and more people miss functions more than they dislike the new design)
    01-29-2015 03:43 PM
  18. WDavis4692's Avatar
    giant step backwards. phaw. whatever. The 10 UI looks so much better. All they need to do is make the header text a bit larger, and move the options bar to the bottom instead of the top.
    An_dz, ven07, gorshkov and 4 others like this.
    01-29-2015 03:48 PM
  19. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    giant step backwards. phaw. whatever. The 10 UI looks so much better. All they need to do is make the header text a bit larger, and move the options bar to the bottom instead of the top.
    That's what I'm talking about
    01-29-2015 03:52 PM
  20. tiziano27's Avatar
    What is the point for MS on creating a fork when you can just go buy an android phone, there is no point, no advantage, no monetary incentive to do this.
    Microsoft doesn't need to create a fork, the fork is ready to use. Microsoft has to create value on top of the fork.

    What could Microsoft offer on top of Android? Security, support for enterprise use, integration with services like Cortana, the best camera, live tiles, Universal apps for enterprise development, anything that could differentiate them.

    With WP any innovation is wasted because the platform is not competitive.
    01-29-2015 04:00 PM
  21. EBUK's Avatar
    If the hamburger menu is the price to pay for narrowing the app gap, it's a price worth paying, surely? And as long as there's a black theme, I'm not too bothered. Except to say, please keep menus at the bottom of the screen.
    01-29-2015 04:11 PM
  22. jdballard's Avatar
    The more I look at screenshots of Windows 10 for mobile the more I wonder why I don't just get an Android device, since the UI is pretty much heading in that direction anyway.
    Why not just get an Android device? Stability. No lag. No constant reboots. WP is much more reliable. In the T-Mobile store the other day my wife was telling the rep about some of the issues with her phone. He asked her if she reboots her phone every few days. Sounds like something people suggested on older versions of Windows. Couldn't tell you the last time I had to restart my WP. It runs and runs and runs...

    With Windows 10 mobile all I've seen is a major step away from the UI elements that made Windows Phone so great. Look no further than the new email, messaging and photos app. As a longtime WP user this frustrates me. I was willing to constantly be left behind in apps and games because I liked the style of my OS. I'll wait until Windows Mobile 10 comes out to make a final judgement, but I can see myself leaving Windows Phone if they continue to choose not to differentiate themselves with the UI. I suppose the preview time is our platform to let Microsoft know that we don't like the direction they are taking WP with regards to the UI.
    While I get the frustration, I wonder if some of it is thinking something along the lines of "if it looks like what they're used to on Android & iOS, maybe they'll give us a try."
    01-29-2015 06:00 PM
  23. Ma Rio's Avatar
    For me it's all about the functions and design.
    Usability is good, but not crucial.

    I hate the stupid looking hamburger menu as much as the next guy. But I do not really mind that it's on top of the screen that much.
    Yeah, it would really be good if MS sometimes thought about what they're doing before they do it. But while they're adding new features, i'm good.
    01-29-2015 06:04 PM
  24. LoriInWA's Avatar
    I like the new interface. Especially after seeing Joe B demonstrating how you swipe to delete or move messages to the top of the list.
    Brandon Tobias likes this.
    01-29-2015 06:16 PM
  25. NikolausD's Avatar
    I can see what you mean, but since Android/iOS app designs are getting better than they used to be (from a Metro fan's perspective), adjusting WP app design to those is not that much of a problem to me. Those new apps still have a relatively clean, simple and organized look. I also wish they would stick to the original metro design principles, but I can live with those new designs as long as the new OS and new apps offer more functionality.
    01-29-2015 07:59 PM
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