08-10-2015 03:04 PM
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  1. D M C's Avatar
    I have question

    MS made a tool that can convert Android apps to W10 apps
    I think that arises a risk of stolen apps. Like a developer develop a certain app and another person use this tool and convert this app for WP and publish it on store. In a word that person didn't do any work and stole that app and take all credits.

    Well ,I am fully aware how does this tool work but it is a concern.
    and did MS take any precaution to tackle this issue ?

    and there are many users are using this - this is illegal and doesn't doing this badly effect Microsoft reputation?
    08-09-2015 01:07 PM
  2. Sam_93's Avatar
    LENGTHY POST AHEAD
    We can tell that legal and moral implications are negligible albeit they are present as somebody may crack it or install pirated apps. WC forum aptly removed tools according to guidelines as this may lead to future implications for all of us as Spock said "The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few" and the number of people who are using these tools are really few.And what is happening now may harm the whole community of Lumia users. But I think that as more people install it and as long as ads are there devs should see their revenue increase . And about piracy there is Blackmart an whole market app for downloading pirated apps. So piracy is worst part of all this happening now.

    The worst bit is we are turning our beloved Lumias into other battery hungry power hungry androids. Those androids from which we were saving ourselves . Its a disgrace to Lumia .Nokia died fighting for pride . They never used emulator.At the end point they released Nokia X and Xl using AOSPs .Event then Lumias were in focus mainly. See what the emulator concept has done to blackberry . It moved on to Android. Although we are repackaging the apks into appx but those are still meant for android phones and they are not optimized. Devs need to optimize them to run on 400 SoCs and 210 SoCs as most of lumias use these .Suddenly we are turning our devices into Moto Gs with Microsoft slapped onto them. If devs dont want to bring their apps to Lumia we can at most force them or sign petition . But just repackaging their apps and using them madly is making a laughing stock of Lumia users. It shows how much app-starved we are . I want MS to lock this feature down stabilise it and open it only for devs . Or else end of MS mobile will be near when the uniqueness of Lumias will be days of the past . And Lumias will be like some any other Android devices in the wild . The uniqueness is meant to be the selling point not the lack of it .
    08-09-2015 01:10 PM
  3. DavidinCT's Avatar
    yes for the apps I have tested and tried I am also fairly impressed that they are working as well as they are with beta tools and a beta OS and no recoding to the apk. things can only get better.
    Questions if you have used this.

    1. Once it's installed, does it act like a standard WP app (Pin to start, different size tiles, uninstall, etc)?
    2. Will it give toast notifications and will they act like normal WP notifications ?
    3. Can it access hardware, blue-tooth, camera, GPS, etc ?
    4. Can it run in the background and can it be disabled(back ground tasks) like every other app ?
    5. Any hit noticed on battery life using a native WP app vs. an Android app ?
    6. How stable are the apps ?
    08-09-2015 01:30 PM
  4. ygtgngr's Avatar
    Questions if you have used this.

    1. Once it's installed, does it act like a standard WP app (Pin to start, different size tiles, uninstall, etc)?
    2. Will it give toast notifications and will they act like normal WP notifications ?
    3. Can it access hardware, blue-tooth, camera, GPS, etc ?
    4. Can it run in the background and can it be disabled(back ground tasks) like every other app ?
    5. Any hit noticed on battery life using a native WP app vs. an Android app ?
    6. How stable are the apps ?
    1- Yes, even some of them have transparent tiles.
    2-Nope, not yet. When they are ported yes. (At least the apps I have cannot)
    3-Nope, not yet. When they are ported yes.
    4- Depends on the app, again when they are ported they all will.
    5-No idea
    6-Some of them are really impressive, however there are some that crash a lot and have lags...
    08-09-2015 01:38 PM
  5. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I read through them and no question, not a click and deploy type of thing, A lot of command line based things. so if your a Noob, you might want to step back a little on this, read, and re-read to see if you CAN handle it.

    If you need to find it, spend some time in Bing AND google, you will find it, found a simple site with a video and step by step and links to all the software, it's all out there, you just need to open your eyes and LOOK.



    True that. It's a new toy, something that people have been waiting for. Something to fill that app gap for YEARS now.

    Leaked beta/unavailable software is one thing (some fine lines here but, on a legal standpoint, it's a strait forward thing) but, the software does promote piracy in some ways.

    If your installing free apps, is it really Piracy as long as you are using the app within the terms of the dev ? (Not hacking the app and using it as made but, on a different platform).

    No question it's something people are going to use, just wonder if Microsoft is going to kill it(lock it down) on the next build and this discussion would be completely over.

    I just want my Bank Of America app on Windows phone is that too much to ask ?
    I wouldn't trust cracked banking apps.

    I also believe that if the bank found out someone used cracked apps and had unauthorized transactions, then that would violate any agreements to reimburse the customers.



    My bank's FAQ clearly states that the mobile app is from the Apple App Store, Amazon app store or Google Play Store.



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    08-09-2015 02:08 PM
  6. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I wouldn't trust cracked banking apps.

    I also believe that if the bank found out someone used cracked apps and had unauthorized transactions, then that would violate any agreements to reimburse the customers.
    Your right, 3drd party cracked banking apps, yes, I agree, there is a method that someone said where apps can be yanked direct from the google store, just need to find the process for it.

    If I can rip it some how myself, then I could trust it... Now if the bank would have an issue for a single person doing it, not sure on that one...

    Now if they would just support Windows Phone, then I would not have to resort to this.....Dam u BOA !
    08-09-2015 02:20 PM
  7. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    This entire part is so true. And your....last sentence is perfection.

    The fact people are rushing to this basically proved they want to kill native windows support. So just go android.


    LENGTHY POST AHEAD
    Or else end of MS mobile will be near when the uniqueness of Lumias will be days of the past . And Lumias will be like some any other Android devices in the wild . The uniqueness is meant to be the selling point not the lack of it .
    08-09-2015 02:22 PM
  8. marra2's Avatar
    Anyone tried the android youtube app ?
    08-09-2015 02:24 PM
  9. DavidinCT's Avatar
    3. Can it access hardware, blue-tooth, camera, GPS, etc ?
    3-Nope, not yet. When they are ported yes.
    Thanks !

    As for hardware, I was asking for *IF* I was able to get the Bank Of America app working on my phone, could it access the camera to take pictures of the check ? Then I was looking for the Pebble watch apps (Pebble and Pebble time apps) that needs blue-tooth to connect to the watch.

    Both these apps, need to access hardware (blue-tooth or camera) and will NEVER be officially ported to Windows Phone at least for this moment(official statement is "You have windows phone, screw you") or if Windows Phone sells about 50 million phones every night for a week. And we know that ain't gona happen...

    Or is there a way in the tool to make it support some hardware ?

    Now another quick question, does this process actually convert a Android file to a Windows Phone file, or does it just install a Android file directly to Windows phone ?

    If MS kills this feature, and I create an app from a Android app, can I install it later as a Xap ?

    The fact people are rushing to this basically proved they want to kill native windows support. So just go android.
    I like Windows Phone a lot but, should I suffer because Microsoft cant sell 100 Million phones to take a good 5-10% of the marketplace in the US, so we get the apps ? When there is an option for us to do this for now (till Microsoft locks it down and they will) ?

    Trust me, the very few apps that I want, is ONLY because the devs don't support Windows phone in fact I have actually begged them to give us Windows Phone support but, due to the above issue, they wont.
    08-09-2015 02:28 PM
  10. taymur's Avatar
    LOL... I see my opinion is unpopular. I expected as much.

    Let's cut to the bottom line. Everyone agrees the "leaked tools" themselves are not an authorized distribution by Microsoft. What more can be said? The entire methodology is based on an infringement to enable infringements.

    I understand the ways in which people become willing to justify such things to themselves. Especially when many are seen to be running to embrace this.

    Here's my fave bit...




    This, to me, reads that it is OK for me to cut the dev a little because others are doing it. My harm on its own is so small the dev will never feel it specifically while he bleeds out from the far larger mass damage being done to him by the larger group...


    People can convince themselves all they want that this whole thing is above board, that they are not infringing on anything. Sure, it's the wild west. Cowboy on people.


    Just remember:
    [INFO]Windows Central is not linking to the file nor providing instructions on how to sideload. Simply put, the software is not finished, and the ability to steal Android apps is not something we would like to promote.

    We are taking a hard line on posting of links to these tools, direct or indirect. Please do not post links or directions in comments as you risk having the post deleted. Continued abuse of this rule may result in account termination.

    This is such a big topic it would be a mistake to not allow a venue for discussing it - but we will not tolerate any links or directions in this thread.[/INFO]
    What are you even talking about? how will anyone be doing any harm if a developer ports his android app to the windows store... he is enabling it....

    this tool is just a leak that we are toying with, we all know that this is not how we will be installing android apps on our phones...its not like we will be using it on windows phone :S but this tool it self is the future the small hope of the platform....
    08-09-2015 02:46 PM
  11. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    As I said before, then go Android. If you have to beg someone to do something and they have shown they obviously really don't care about you and have taking an aggressive stance against something you WANT to use...then going android would be the easiest.

    Because in reality you have basically given up on Windows Phone already(at least starting to do so).

    Personally, I don't look at it as suffering. If they are willing to shut out a legitimate and growing(albeit slowly) userbase from their app...even if it is not fully supported but at least maintained halfway, is that an app I want to use? Is this a developer I want to support?

    No.

    It's like hanging with people who you know don't like you or don't want you JUST so you can say you're apart of the inner circle and it is honestly sad.

    Thanks !
    I like Windows Phone a lot but, should I suffer because Microsoft cant sell 100 Million phones to take a good 5-10% of the marketplace in the US, so we get the apps ? When there is an option for us to do this for now (till Microsoft locks it down and they will) ?

    Trust me, the very few apps that I want, is ONLY because the devs don't support Windows phone in fact I have actually begged them to give us Windows Phone support but, due to the above issue, they wont.
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    08-09-2015 02:49 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    What are you even talking about? how will anyone be doing any harm if a developer ports his android app to the windows store... he is enabling it....

    this tool is just a leak that we are toying with, we all know that this is not how we will be installing android apps on our phones...its not like we will be using it on windows phone :S but this tool it self is the future the small hope of the platform....
    Because right now, in it's current form, it promotes Piracy. anyone with an Windows 10 phone, could install an app on their computer, got to one of the million Android pirate sites (and there are a ton of them) and download then install them.

    That is the problem. If it ONLY installed free apps, or something of the sort it might be different but, right now, these roads could lead to trouble.

    Do I think this was leaked by mistake ? No, not a chance. Microsoft wanted Devs to know how easy it was to make their app into a Windows Phone app and what better way to "Leak" so let the hackers play with it and report on it ?

    They could have 10 days of FREE training to do this but, even that would not get as noticed as much as a simple leak like this.

    Maybe the app gap can be closing soon once this is released....
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    08-09-2015 02:54 PM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    As I said before, then go Android. If you have to beg someone to do something and they have shown they obviously really don't care about you and have taking an aggressive stance against something you WANT to use...then going android would be the easiest.
    I guess we agree to not agree here. I never gave up on Windows Phone, not sure where you go that from, but, that is your opinion and YOURS ALONE.

    I don't desire an app to be "Part of the inner circle" or do I care about how I look. I want my phone to work in a certain way as it did in the past (BOA pulled their app), Microsoft cant provide this for me.

    I don't see this working for the long term, if anything, next build of Windows Phone 10 it will be dead, I would almost bet.

    But, it would be nice to check it out, see how well it works, as I DO hope this makes more apps come directly from the devs and in the long run, that is what I really want...

    Let's get off the morals of doing this and back to the Topic at hand about this process and how the app works.

    This type of discussion going off topic like this is how this topic would be closed...
    08-09-2015 03:00 PM
  14. fjordstrom's Avatar
    Just installed four apps: Instagram, Swarm, Snapchat and Casper (=Snapchat alternative). I couldn't get Facebook to be installed...
    - Instagram works well, but hangs when trying to add a filter on a previously saved photo (no cam support). But it is fun to have the real "Instagram feel" back in your hand...
    - Swarm: works, checks in, can see mayorships, but there's a UI bug.
    - Snapchat: stuck on "verifying device" and thus unusable
    - Casper: loads snaps correctly, but can't post any because it's not supported yet (confirmed by Casper developer).

    Personally I'm happy that developers will be able to convert their apps for Windows Mobile. A few here think that we're going the "blackberry way", but the big difference is that Windows Mobile devices have much better specs in the same price range as Android phones. Who doesn't want to see imported apps on our beautiful Lumias? I sure do...
    Last edited by fjordstrom; 08-09-2015 at 04:18 PM.
    08-09-2015 03:20 PM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    Anyone tried the android youtube app ?
    Other sites say it doesn't work.
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    08-09-2015 03:25 PM
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    08-09-2015 03:37 PM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I guess we agree to not agree here. I never gave up on Windows Phone, not sure where you go that from, but, that is your opinion and YOURS ALONE.

    I don't desire an app to be "Part of the inner circle" or do I care about how I look. I want my phone to work in a certain way as it did in the past (BOA pulled their app), Microsoft cant provide this for me.

    I don't see this working for the long term, if anything, next build of Windows Phone 10 it will be dead, I would almost bet.

    But, it would be nice to check it out, see how well it works, as I DO hope this makes more apps come directly from the devs and in the long run, that is what I really want...

    Let's get off the morals of doing this and back to the Topic at hand about this process and how the app works.

    This type of discussion going off topic like this is how this topic would be closed...
    Supporting Android apps on WIndows phone and not supporting the Native windows phone developers and realizing this has far more chance to go bad(especially given how we are already struggling with apps as is) sure sounds like giving up to me ;)
    But I digress.
    08-09-2015 03:42 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    What are you even talking about? how will anyone be doing any harm if a developer ports his android app to the windows store... he is enabling it...
    That's not what you said before... The dev placing his app in the WP store. Earlier I responded to you stating numbers on how small a percentage of the smartphone users it is on Windows Phone that would sideload the dev's apps behind his back with this tool compared to how many are already doing so on Android. And how that made it OK because the harm done is small compared to the ongoing harm the Android community does to it's devs every day. You further implied the devs know this is going on and choose for it to happen by becoming Android Developers... Don't try and change the parameters of the discussion after the fact.
    08-09-2015 03:55 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    I await for someone to discover a security hole in windows mobile 10 and destroy the OS's reputation with some bad exploits/malware.
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    08-09-2015 05:07 PM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    So, found some <stuff I'm not supposed to talk aboit here and know it, but can't help myself in my excitement so I make moderators do extra work cleaning my posts> was able to download my banking app and the 2 other ones I wanted to try.

    This is not providing links or anything of the such. Just to say they are out there...

    Now just waiting for the next release of Windows 10 Mobile....to try...
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 08-09-2015 at 08:47 PM. Reason: Deleted Instruction
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    08-09-2015 05:25 PM
  21. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    Yea Carmagedon...bring it on :-)
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    08-09-2015 05:35 PM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I await for someone to discover a security hole in windows mobile 10 and destroy the OS's reputation with some bad exploits/malware.
    Me too. I honestly will laugh at all these people doing this if some mass hacking or weird stuff goes on
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    08-09-2015 06:04 PM
  23. jhoff80's Avatar
    I await for someone to discover a security hole in windows mobile 10 and destroy the OS's reputation with some bad exploits/malware.
    The Android storage is isolated from the OS.

    Also, someone asked about notifications. Notifications actually do work and they pop up as toasts. The thing is though, there's no background app support (in the current build's version of the Android subsystem) and there's no push notification support (as developers will need to recode that part of their apps to make it work via the Windows Notification Service). So when you'll see them is kind of limited right now.
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    08-09-2015 06:26 PM
  24. Yazen's Avatar
    I don't see the problem here. People from Linux download Windows Apps and install with Wine. For them, is totally normal and legal.
    It will only be illegal if the developer does not provide the apk on their website.
    If you download Firefox, it's legal. If download snapchat is illegal.

    And currently, installing apps is not restricted to developers (But Astoria it's restricted to a small number of people)
    In Windows Phone 8.1, to install apps you need a dev account, but on Windows 10 Mobile not (just like Android and Windows PC).
    So to be 100% legal, just wait for the end of month when Microsoft release Project Astoria (and it will work better. 10166 build was compiled on 05 of July)
    +1
    08-09-2015 07:02 PM
  25. realwarder's Avatar
    So, found some <Stuff that amounts to Instruction and mods have to delete it> was able to download my banking app and the 2 other ones I wanted to try.

    This is not providing links or anything of the such. Just to say they are out there...

    Now just waiting for the next release of Windows 10 Mobile....to try...
    Somehow I don't think I'd try a banking app from unknown source!

    Android has a reputation for not having the safest apps and that is when installed from the store. When from unknown sources, be safe!
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 08-09-2015 at 08:50 PM. Reason: Removed Instruction from quote
    08-09-2015 07:25 PM
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