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  1. Rafael Yousuf's Avatar
    Just like the title says, I believe that the current build or even the next one won't be RTM ready. I am not talking about performance, I am talking about the UI & UX of W10M. The UI is a mess (specially with all the gray color used everywhere).
    I mean how do they say it is ready if Cortana is still using the Bing mobile site to show search result.
    Users notice the UI first.if the Ui is a mess, don't expect the OS to be a success.

    I feel sad for the current state of W10M.
    I wish MS. would do something about their UI team.

    What do u guys think?
    11-09-2015 09:29 PM
  2. ven07's Avatar
    Cortana will probably still be a beta for a long time to come so you shouldn't go by her if you're trying to gauge where the platform stands. Nonetheless I made this point once. W10 for all devices will most likely always be a beta. It will be stable enough, but it will always be in transition. There will always be that "better" build just on the horizon

    Then again a lot of companies do the same. MS just decided to say it openly
    11-09-2015 09:36 PM
  3. Peter McNeill1's Avatar
    I don't get the "everything is grey" part. You can change the accent colour. As for Cortana, you do know Cortana is Bing, right? Not to mention Cortana is beta or alpha depending on where you are and will take time to be fully evolved. The UI, it's okay to me, not perfect yet but neither is android or iOS IMHO. I'm just seeing the usual BS rant from here because it doesn't live up to your expectations and the assumption everyone else feels the same way you do. MS has said windows is now a service so it will be a perpetual evolvement never a total finished product. Deal with it.
    11-09-2015 09:46 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    I don't get the "everything is grey" part. You can change the accent colour. As for Cortana, you do know Cortana is Bing, right? Not to mention Cortana is beta or alpha depending on where you are...

    ...or for many people, still entirely MIA.
    11-09-2015 10:18 PM
  5. a5cent's Avatar
    Remember that this new OS has only one chance to impress new users which is when they turn on the device for the first time, if the UI is a mess and not consistent then new users wont enjoy the OS and will jump ship.
    The consistency train left long ago I'm afraid. Just the fact that many apps won't evolve further than their WP8.1 designs means there is nothing MS can do to regain the level of consistency the WP ecosystem previously had. That ship has sailed. Even if they could get all app devs on board, their own apps are so "all over the place" that there is no obvious style/guideline devs could stick to.

    I don't know about the "enjoying" part though. Most people don't need a consistent UI to enjoy it. Many won't even notice how terribly inconsistent W10M is.
    11-09-2015 10:34 PM
  6. Bagzton's Avatar
    Isn't Cortana in WP8.1 also beta ( or alpha, depending on your location)? Yet its UI looks way better that it does in W10M. Ever since I got the TP of W10M, I've never really enjoyed using Cortana.
    As for the UI, I totaly agree with what Raphael Yousuf jas said. MSFT really need to work on it to impress (and retain) new users.
    11-09-2015 10:47 PM
  7. Clinton_O's Avatar
    The W10m UI needs jesus
    11-09-2015 10:54 PM
  8. Rafael Yousuf's Avatar
    Guys, imagine if every tech site wrote something like this after W10M is released. Do u seriously think people would spend money on lumia phones to use W10M??
    2015-11-10-16_01_00-microsoft-windows-mobile-10_-uphill-battle-work-progress-reg.png

    People read reviews before purchasing things, if tech sites give a review like that... then it is bye bye W10M.

    The screenshot is from: Microsoft Windows Mobile 10: Uphill battle with 'work in progress' ? The Register
    11-09-2015 11:03 PM
  9. theefman's Avatar
    Guys, imagine if every tech site wrote something like this after W10M is released. Do u seriously think people would spend money on lumia phones to use W10M??
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2015-11-10 16_01_00-Microsoft Windows Mobile 10_ Uphill battle with 'work in progress'

    People read reviews before purchasing things, if tech sites give a review like that... then it is bye bye W10M.

    The screenshot is from: Microsoft Windows Mobile 10: Uphill battle with 'work in progress' ? The Register
    I especially like this part: "The Windows Phone 8.1 email client was rudimentary, but in real life use performs far better than the Windows 10 Mobile application tested here. The current WP8.1 version allows the rapid processing of multiple messages across accounts, whiled unread or flagged messages could be isolated using a simple sideways swipe gesture.

    The current Windows Phone allows accounts to be aggregated in a unified inbox. It enabled richer workflows by specifying the synchronisation of an Exchange or IMAP folder. All this has been lost in the move to a unified email client across Windows 10, which on Mobile represents a significant step backwards."

    Sounds like a great upgrade to me..... /s
    11-09-2015 11:11 PM
  10. SonOfDad's Avatar
    Do MS classify it as "ready" like Windows 10 which has received constant updates for stability and by it's second MAJOR update may offer a UX somewhat close to its predecessor?
    11-09-2015 11:16 PM
  11. ven07's Avatar
    Do MS classify it as "ready" like Windows 10 which has received constant updates for stability and by it's second MAJOR update may offer a UX somewhat close to its predecessor?
    MS has said that w10 will constantly "evolve" so those updates are mandatory :) There are no more windows versions after this (w7/w8/w8.1 etc). W10 is the last stop
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    11-09-2015 11:34 PM
  12. Rafael Yousuf's Avatar
    MS has said that w10 will constantly "evolve" so those updates are mandatory :) There are no more windows versions after this (w7/w8/w8.1 etc). W10 is the last stop
    Totally agree with you, OS updates are always welcomed. But the UX is what users will see first and form a first impression, if this component is bad, then the OS will lose many potential users and no future updates will make them consider switching.
    ven07, Kram Sacul, Nout88 and 4 others like this.
    11-09-2015 11:42 PM
  13. ven07's Avatar
    Totally agree with you, OS updates are always welcomed. But the UX is what users will see first and form a first impression, if this component is bad, then the OS will lose many potential users and no future updates will make them consider switching.
    Valid point, which is why (not sure if they even read it) I give honest scores, when the phone system prompts me to ask whether or not I'd recommend the current build to a friend. Trust me, most of those scores have been low. I'm finally starting to see some of the speed I had with 8.1 again, but there are still things to do. I just hope that we don't end up in a "take two steps forward and one step back" situation. What's fixed should stay fixed and get refined, but it shouldn't end up broken again
    Tom Snyder and anism like this.
    11-09-2015 11:47 PM
  14. EspHack's Avatar
    I just hope that we don't end up in a "take two steps forward and one step back" situation. What's fixed should stay fixed and get refined, but it shouldn't end up broken again
    sadly, that's a common tactic from Microsoft, and I'm tired of this WaaS argument as well, they are using it as an excuse to deliver mediocre software, that's ok for their desktop OS which is the entire market itself, quite the contrary to the mobile situation, I just hope by this point most of the wp user base is fanboys and people that don't care and are used to wp already

    its incredible the amount of bad press around w10m compared to previous releases, I'm tired of 8.1 and want that RTM build badly but I always find someone talking about a new problem, like this pathetic Cortana app which looks the same as the desktop one with forced white background cards and opens a browser tab every time it misses a question, then I wonder what I would gain from w10m and... it gets pretty dark, the flashlight toggle in the action center? lol
    11-10-2015 12:13 AM
  15. Hutzi's Avatar
    Wow. Somebody's just annoyed as me over this sluggish flashlight toggle! Even my homie noticed when we REALLY had to use it at night in the park... And then I get these questions again from fellow iPhone users: "How can you live with a constant work and progress on your phone? My iPhone JUST works!" Well.... what do we answer to these type of questions guys.....?
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    11-10-2015 02:15 AM
  16. Rafael Yousuf's Avatar
    Wow. Somebody's just annoyed as me over this sluggish flashlight toggle! Even my homie noticed when we REALLY had to use it at night in the park... And then I get these questions again from fellow iPhone users: "How can you live with a constant work and progress on your phone? My iPhone JUST works!" Well.... what do we answer to these type of questions guys.....?
    Say that we love to live dangerously. But you are right, releasing a work in progress software as a final RTM build is bad, because everyday users wont like it and will avoid it.
    libra89, Vyenkatesh and dj shimon like this.
    11-10-2015 02:22 AM
  17. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    So, with all the bad, subjective reviews, W10 is a car crash? Why is it then that when Gurgle release another droid, to fix their issues, they don't get slated? Why is it that device reviews are mostly favourable as well? Having worked with droid, in vanilla, you would not believe the issues. The difference being, the source code was released for devs to tinker with. Could that be the issue? Win10m, is locked down so bedroom devs can't tinker / improve.

    People, especially those reviewers who have an agenda, don't want to express the MSFT regular update side of W10. Again, google do it all the time, and it is plugged as a new OS. We all know it isn't, and it appears this is the model MSFT has chosen with W10, yet they get slated for it, even with the promise, unlike droid, of supporting older devices.

    All seems a bit one sided.....
    11-10-2015 02:25 AM
  18. SonOfDad's Avatar
    Say that we love to live dangerously. But you are right, releasing a work in progress software as a final RTM build is bad, because everyday users wont like it and will avoid it.
    If Microsoft think they can pull the "here's our new mobile OS, now it is a work in progress so stay with us" they're not only delusional but also not on the correct medication.
    11-10-2015 03:12 AM
  19. SonOfDad's Avatar
    when Gurgle release another droid, to fix their issues, they don't get slated? Why is it that device reviews are mostly favourable as well?
    Possibly because Google aren't playing catchup to Google :? Hell the apps Microsoft will release on W10m are already available on Android (and iOS) devices. Microsoft may get less criticism if their updates actually finish off some features e.g. what the frak is going on with Cortana 18 months down the road?

    People, especially those reviewers who have an agenda, don't want to express the MSFT regular update side of W10. Again, google do it all the time, and it is plugged as a new OS.
    :? Not sure what you are trying to say here is it that every time a new version of Android comes out it is said to be a new OS yet a new version by Microsoft is just referred to as an update? If so the it's the exact opposite.
    11-10-2015 03:19 AM
  20. KimRM's Avatar
    You're all talking like it's been released.. jeez.. Hold your horses will you.
    11-10-2015 03:37 AM
  21. KimRM's Avatar
    Well... you are using pre-release software. Did you not expect it to be work in progress?
    libra89, zei20t, PrplHaz4 and 2 others like this.
    11-10-2015 03:41 AM
  22. buddy007's Avatar
    I totally agree with you but in a different angle. The OS is not at all optimized for older snapdragon processors and that means the entire x20 series. and most of them having 512MB RAM doesn't help either. I know this cause my 520 on 8.1 and 10 shows difference clearly as distinct as day and night performance wise. They still need to add many features that were promised. And the slow development is not helping either.
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    11-10-2015 03:41 AM
  23. Hutzi's Avatar
    Maybe I didn't express myself correctly. I still think Windows mobile (desktop there can't be any doubt) is the FAR superior operating system. For various reasons you all know. Not only is it the CURRENT best OS but also their vision for the FUTURE is superior and best thought out.

    Also one must not forget that 10 mobile is yet another reboot. This time they WILL make it right because they have a master plan (UWP+ WAAS). This time they not only want to create a good and productive mobile OS, they also want to create a robust and future proof infrastructure beneath it. So from now on Windows (mobile) will flourish. This is why the platform will take off now. There are so many people just waiting to ditch their terrible, unreliable and overpowered Android phones and their incredibly boring iOS devices for something more productive and robust.

    Obviously a lot of things are still missing or things are not aligned properly but the core purpose and functions are usable and inconsistencies in the UI are not necessarily realized by the average consumer. Also, THIS is why we have the insider program! WE can shape this OS to a certain extent. This is the point from where everything else builds (pun intended) upon.

    Meanwhile look at iOS users. They tend to be more interesting than Android users because they care a lot and identify with the philosophy of Apple to fullest, even more than some of us do with Windows. If Apple would downgrade iCloud there would be no uprisal or protest. Never. There is always a legit reason for Apple to take decisions. Do NOT question this as a faithful iSheep!

    Well look at Apple's strategy. It is the exact opposite of the ONE Windows pursues. Creating more and more small OS's (latest example TVos) and splitting their eco system into a thousand pieces instead of aligning it. It may have certain advantages in the short term (TVos for example can evolve faster when it is is own OS) but in the long term Windows will take the lead. The UWP is just too tempting for developers. In three years from now the Windows store WILL have the better and more productive apps and Apple's store will still have the newest indie games and lifestyle/trend apps. The average 13 year old will STILL want the newest iPhone. The average over-20-year-old will not. Apple's devices will broaden it's Justin Bieber type of fan base where the age average sits at around 15-16sh. And that's being nice. At some point Apple's operating system WILL have to go universal if they don't want their OSX Store to just sit there and die. IF they DO go down that path, which they will have to also because of more efficient resource management, I would bet on their unified system being more iOS like than OSX like. 80% percent of their revenue comes from the iPhone and in the end OSX is also primarily for internet browsing and media consumption.

    By then though, Windows will have established their Operating System and the eco system around it to the point where it will be impossible to catch up. Big names will be present in the store, the bridges will be used to port existing apps and the go to place for any program will... be the windows store.

    To iPhone users saying their "iOS device just works" personally I would say "Yes. Your iPhone works. As it has always done in its very simplistic pitiful existence. It is essentially an app drawer with a lockscreen on top of it. Congratulations!" A door also "just works". That doesn't mean a portal would be way cooler! ;)

    P.S I love my iPod because "It just works".....most of the time
    Last edited by Hutzi; 11-10-2015 at 04:27 AM. Reason: Changed from phone to PC... Who said continuum?
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    11-10-2015 04:03 AM
  24. Bagzton's Avatar
    Maybe I didn't express myself correctly. I still think Windows mobile (desktop there can't be any doubt) is the FAR superior operating system. For various reasons you all know. Not only is it the CURRENT best OS but also their vision for the FUTURE is superior and best thought out.

    Also one must not forget that 10 mobile is yet another reboot. This time they WILL make it right because they have a master plan (UWP+ WAAS). This time they not only want to create a good and productive mobile OS, they also want to create a robust and future proof infrastructure beneath it. So from now on Windows (mobile) will flourish. This is why the platform will take off now. There are so many people just waiting to ditch their terrible, unreliable and overpowered Android phones and their incredibly boring iOS devices for something more productive and robust.

    Obviously a lot of things are still missing or things are not aligned properly but the core purpose and functions are usable and inconsistencies in the UI are not necessarily realized by the average consumer. Also, THIS is why we have the insider program! WE can shape this OS to a certain extent. This is the point from where everything else builds (pun intended) upon.

    Meanwhile look at iOS users. They tend to be more interesting than Android users because they care a lot and identify with the philosophy of Apple to fullest, even more than some of us do with Windows. If Apple would downgrade iCloud there would be no uprisal or protest. Never. There is always a legit reason for Apple to take decisions. Do NOT question this as a faithful iSheep!

    Well look at Apple's strategy. It is the exact opposite of the ONE Windows pursues. Creating more and more small OS's (latest example TVos) and splitting their eco system into a thousand pieces instead of aligning it. It may have certain advantages in the short term (TVos for example can evolve faster when it is is own OS) but in the long term Windows will take the lead. The UWP is just too tempting for developers. In three years from now the Windows store WILL have the better and more productive apps and Apple's store will still have the newest indie games and lifestyle/trend apps. The average 13 year old will STILL want the newest iPhone. The average over-20-year-old will not. Apple's devices will broaden it's Justin Bieber type of fan base where the age average sits at around 15-16sh. And that's being nice. At some point Apple's operating system WILL have to go universal if they don't want their OSX wow to just say there and die. IF that so go down that park, I would
    Now you've made sense. Well said and I do agree.
    11-10-2015 04:10 AM
  25. Hutzi's Avatar
    Now you've made sense. Well said and I do agree
    Added some bits to it. Started writing this on my phone and somehow the text field in the WC app has a word limit. This app is so ripe for replacement...
    libra89, salazka and omerfbingol like this.
    11-10-2015 04:38 AM
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