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  1. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    YAAAYY HOORAY Aug 2nd is almost here. But does it really matter? We are all anticipating the Anniversary update, but can we expect carriers to allow the updates through without holding it up for "testing" or "lets see how many owners we can get on a device we make more money on"? Yes, its not firmware, but I still have yet to see the new firmware on my 950XL ds or the wifes 950 on AT&T. The carriers have too much control, IMO, but that's a different thread.
    07-24-2016 09:28 AM
  2. Zulfigar's Avatar
    You know carriers have no say on the OS, right? So when August 2nd comes, all devices, no matter where, what carrier, or device, is getting updated.

    Carriers only have a say in firmware updates because that can mess with a device's radio.

    By the way, I'm also waiting on the latest firmware too for my 950 XL. At least it's on the WDRT now (sadly, not the one for your wife's 950, because the firmware does mess with the radio, and AT&T does have a say on it).
    07-24-2016 09:43 AM
  3. Mark F24's Avatar
    You know carriers have no say on the OS, right? So when August 2nd comes, all devices, no matter where, what carrier, or device, is getting updated.

    Carriers only have a say in firmware updates because that can mess with a device's radio.

    By the way, I'm also waiting on the latest firmware too for my 950 XL. At least it's on the WDRT now (sadly, not the one for your wife's 950, because the firmware does mess with the radio, and AT&T does have a say on it).
    I have both 950 DS and 950XL DS and the firmware for both is on WDRT.
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    07-24-2016 09:06 PM
  4. gbm97's Avatar
    I wonder the same.
    What will August 2nd bring?
    As a fast ring insider I suspect no changes.
    The changes will be seen by the non insiders.

    Hopefully it goes over without to much drama.
    07-24-2016 11:34 PM
  5. Zulfigar's Avatar
    I have both 950 DS and 950XL DS and the firmware for both is on WDRT.
    Yeah, not really going to spend a day to hard reset my phone, just to go back to the Fast ring and reinstall all of my apps, just for an upgrade that will be coming OTA shortly.
    07-24-2016 11:42 PM
  6. Ma Rio's Avatar
    I'm in a different part of the world where carriers are nobody. They can't control ****, and their only purpose is to give your service. However if I were in the US, I'd go insider and just go around their barrier.
    07-25-2016 01:08 AM
  7. Pete's Avatar
    However if I were in the US, I'd go insider and just go around their barrier.
    Mobile 10 Mobile doesn't work this way. OS updates come directly from Microsoft, so the carriers don't have a say in it and can't hold it up. It's only the small amount of functionality in the firmware that needs to go through carrier approval.
    07-25-2016 01:33 AM
  8. libra89's Avatar
    For me, as a L640 owner. it could be great or bad. Imo, the native Windows 10 Mobile phones have the best advantage. At least over my 640. I can't recall if the swiping keyboard is slow or not on a native W10M phone.
    07-25-2016 07:11 AM
  9. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    You know carriers have no say on the OS, right? So when August 2nd comes, all devices, no matter where, what carrier, or device, is getting updated.

    Carriers only have a say in firmware updates because that can mess with a device's radio.

    By the way, I'm also waiting on the latest firmware too for my 950 XL. At least it's on the WDRT now (sadly, not the one for your wife's 950, because the firmware does mess with the radio, and AT&T does have a say on it).

    Windows 10 updates have been held up on devices that are capable, some by months. So sorry, the carrier absolutely does control updates. MS cant, and we cant expect the average Joe Blow to install WDRT to get the update. Nor can we expect them to install Insider to get it.
    07-25-2016 09:03 AM
  10. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Im laughing at the misnomer that ATT, Verizon, Tmobile cant hold up OS updates.... Guys, this has happened again and again and again. Yet again and again and again we seem to have memory loss. They held 7.8, 8, 8.1, and now theyve held 10. Some devices JUST got 10 like 6weeks ago.
    rinosaur, Tom Snyder and RPF75 like this.
    07-25-2016 09:06 AM
  11. AdamInTx's Avatar
    As an ATT 830 owner the update means nothing to me unless I go Insider. I doubt we will ever see the 10 upgrade approved for our phones.
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    07-25-2016 09:15 AM
  12. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    My wifes AT&T 950 will be wiped with WDRT on Aug 1st. If Aug 2nd-4th come and she gets the update, I have no issue posting that I was incorrect. But that doesnt mean that the Icon on Verizon that took FOREVER to get 10, and the other devices that are 10 compatible, will get it the day of or soon after.
    07-25-2016 09:18 AM
  13. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    You guys are missing the point. Once the device is on Windows 10, the carriers have no more say for OS updates.

    Getting that initial release of Windows 10 seems to be a sticking point for some, but if the device is already on 10, there's no more holdup for non-firmware updates.
    07-25-2016 09:20 AM
  14. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    You guys are missing the point. Once the device is on Windows 10, the carriers have no more say for OS updates.

    Getting that initial release of Windows 10 seems to be a sticking point for some, but if the device is already on 10, there's no more holdup for non-firmware updates.
    Im truly hoping thats the case... Would love to be wrong lol.
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    07-25-2016 09:23 AM
  15. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    And you look angry PepperdotNet, have some bacon mac n cheese Lays
    xandros9 and Shamshi-Adad like this.
    07-25-2016 09:31 AM
  16. Zulfigar's Avatar
    Im laughing at the misnomer that ATT, Verizon, Tmobile cant hold up OS updates.... Guys, this has happened again and again and again. Yet again and again and again we seem to have memory loss. They held 7.8, 8, 8.1, and now theyve held 10. Some devices JUST got 10 like 6weeks ago.
    Yeah, but once on 10, they receive updates just as often as other devices.
    Shamshi-Adad likes this.
    07-25-2016 09:33 AM
  17. Allen Rhodes's Avatar
    Yeah, but once on 10, they receive updates just as often as other devices.
    Again, truly hoping thats the case being that the OS is built that way. Im taking a "believe it when i see it" approach. I agree, from what we have read, it shouldnt be an issue. But, its obvious we are the step kids of the carriers. We live in an age when just because something should be, doesnt mean it will be. We have been kicked around for years, I just need to see it. Im sure im not the only one lol.
    Shamshi-Adad and libra89 like this.
    07-25-2016 09:39 AM
  18. sinime's Avatar
    Again, truly hoping thats the case being that the OS is built that way. Im taking a "believe it when i see it" approach. I agree, from what we have read, it shouldnt be an issue. But, its obvious we are the step kids of the carriers. We live in an age when just because something should be, doesnt mean it will be. We have been kicked around for years, I just need to see it. Im sure im not the only one lol.
    Yup, once on 10, the carrier can only hold an update if it changes the radio stack, which is now isolated from the other stack*(s)...

    Here is how Microsoft can push OS updates to Windows 10 Mobile without carriers now (and forever) | Windows Central
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    07-25-2016 09:58 AM
  19. Danobe's Avatar
    I'm glad I live in Scandinavia (DK), where the carriers have absolutely no say. They either provide the service or they don't. That is also the reason I never buy a locked phone. Well, come to think of it, I doubt you could even get a locked phone these days.
    Shamshi-Adad and raycpl like this.
    07-25-2016 10:07 AM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    Easy way to verify either way, just check what the current OS version carrier locked W10M phones are running. Since updates are released every month that should indicate how much say any carrier has over OS updates.
    07-25-2016 10:49 AM
  21. PGrey's Avatar
    Mobile 10 Mobile doesn't work this way. OS updates come directly from Microsoft, so the carriers don't have a say in it and can't hold it up. It's only the small amount of functionality in the firmware that needs to go through carrier approval.
    Unfortunately, this isn't true, for AT&T anyway.

    They initially updated/installed both the 640 (the 640XL STILL doesn't have W10m from OTA on AT&T), and the 950, they on the .107 build.

    Lots of people griping up there (I help out on these forums), wanting to get beyond the .107 build, for features, battery-life, etc. The 640XL crowd just wants the OS, without Insider.

    I do try to talk people into going Insider-Release Preview, as this frees them from the "loop" of the AT&T updates.
    The downside to them going this way, is that AT&T may not provision things like VoLTE, WiFi calling/texting, and other extended LTE services, if they're not on the AT&T build.

    Additionally, if you go to Lumiafirmware.com, you 'll see that the AT&T SKU has a special model, to let them control the firmware releases as well.

    I wish this wasn't true, and that the initial idea behind this had followed-through, but the reality, at least today, is that carriers still gate everything, on Windows 10 phone, *unless* people go to the Insider program...

    Edit: almost forgot: This means August 2nd is just the start of what's probably a VERY long wait, for those people on carrier-branded phones, who don't want to go insider. I'd be surprised if AT&T updates this in < 3-4 months. If I were betting, I'd go with 6-8 months.
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    07-25-2016 04:38 PM
  22. Shamshi-Adad's Avatar
    Unfortunately, this isn't true, for AT&T anyway.

    They initially updated/installed both the 640 (the 640XL STILL doesn't have W10m from OTA on AT&T), and the 950, they on the .107 build.

    Lots of people griping up there (I help out on these forums), wanting to get beyond the .107 build, for features, battery-life, etc. The 640XL crowd just wants the OS, without Insider.

    I do try to talk people into going Insider-Release Preview, as this frees them from the "loop" of the AT&T updates.
    The downside to them going this way, is that AT&T may not provision things like VoLTE, WiFi calling/texting, and other extended LTE services, if they're not on the AT&T build.

    Additionally, if you go to Lumiafirmware.com, you 'll see that the AT&T SKU has a special model, to let them control the firmware releases as well.

    I wish this wasn't true, and that the initial idea behind this had followed-through, but the reality, at least today, is that carriers still gate everything, on Windows 10 phone, *unless* people go to the Insider program...

    Edit: almost forgot: This means August 2nd is just the start of what's probably a VERY long wait, for those people on carrier-branded phones, who don't want to go insider. I'd be surprised if AT&T updates this in < 3-4 months. If I were betting, I'd go with 6-8 months.
    If THAT'S true then Verizon will be over a year!!!
    Peace. Alan
    MS Lumia ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 14393.5]
    07-25-2016 06:56 PM
  23. PGrey's Avatar
    If THAT'S true then Verizon will be over a year!!!
    Peace. Alan
    MS Lumia ICON 929 [Win10 M, Insider Preview, Redstone 14393.5]
    Yeah, could be, or they could decide to never do it.

    The bonus is, Windows phone owners have the option, they can go Insider (at least for now, unless they disable this for Threshold eventually) and get a very good build (probably better than carrier anyway) and upgrade, immediately.
    If you've got say an S7, with a crazy-locked bootloader, and no foreseeable carrier upgrade path, well...

    There's a part of me that wishes, not in a malicious way, but in a "we need to move forward to the EU and others standard" way, that something would happen to a bunch of Android phones, or similar, where carriers would be found at fault, for delaying updates indefinitely (that contain critical security fixes, not just "features").
    I wish there was another way, but I doubt it. Maybe, hopefully, T-Mobile will proliferate and get better at rural, they seem much more friendly at this than anyone else, possibly because of the parent company.

    -pete
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    07-25-2016 07:47 PM
  24. thron's Avatar
    For me, as a L640 owner. it could be great or bad. Imo, the native Windows 10 Mobile phones have the best advantage. At least over my 640. I can't recall if the swiping keyboard is slow or not on a native W10M phone.
    Day 2 of the anniversary update being on my 640 (I jumped back into the Slow ring just to get it). So far the only bug I've spotted is the Photos app remains in the background despite consistently closing it.
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    07-25-2016 09:41 PM
  25. Sedp23's Avatar
    As an ATT 830 owner the update means nothing to me unless I go Insider. I doubt we will ever see the 10 upgrade approved for our phones.
    What difference does the official 10 from att make? Go insider get 10 switch back to the production ring. It's the same build att would release

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    07-25-2016 10:01 PM
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