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  1. Mr Hyde's Avatar
    So you consider what's been spewing out of Redmond as MS dedication to the platform? I see nothing that differentiates today from the past other than the OS and WPs state in the marketplace, and considering where the latter stands I'd say that says a lot about their commitment. In the past we had Samsung, Acer, Hisense, Alcatel, HTC, Huawei, Blu and many more, so I see nothing about those who chose to step back into the ring as being a reassurance of Msft's commitment.

    Then we get into the quality of updates, one can use what ever excuse they want (Alpha, Beta) yet some of them should have never left the playpen period. If this were anyone other than Msft I can guarantee you that people would not be labelling that company as being "committed", and that's a fact. As for continuing to update the OS, releasing insider previews, well those who are doing the testing and reporting need some sort of payback as its well known Msft is not doing the majority of in-house testing.

    As for the store, if you are not experiencing anything you'd consider out of the ordinary then either I'm a one-off or you are willing to tolerate a whole heck of a lot more than me. I usually run Public Releases and sometimes Release Previews and every single time the store has become another thorn in my side, sluggish, errors, lacks much info, clunky interface, etc. Suppose if you've acquired all your apps, set them to "auto update" then never have to delve into the store you wouldn’t be aware of them. All in all I find it a pretty lame attempt by MS which far from radiates "commitment".
    Like I said, we shall have to agree to disagree. It seems you have a bit of an issue with MS. I don't. I have enjoyed watching the development of Win10. My 950xl does everything I need it to do and more. If I needed my mobile device to do more I'd switch to iOS or Android. But for me there is no need to switch, at least not yet. As long as MS continues do develop the OS and add new features I will think they are committed to the OS. When they stop and go into maintenance mode, then I will think the commitment is gone. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but as I said earlier, I really enjoy this OS, and I have had a good time being part of the preview program. Our devices should give us enjoyment. Mine does. If it was not, I'd find something that made me happy instead of being pessimistic.
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    11-20-2016 11:50 PM
  2. slivy58's Avatar
    Like I said, we shall have to agree to disagree. It seems you have a bit of an issue with MS. I don't. I have enjoyed watching the development of Win10. My 950xl does everything I need it to do and more. If I needed my mobile device to do more I'd switch to iOS or Android. But for me there is no need to switch, at least not yet. As long as MS continues do develop the OS and add new features I will think they are committed to the OS. When they stop and go into maintenance mode, then I will think the commitment is gone. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but as I said earlier, I really enjoy this OS, and I have had a good time being part of the preview program. Our devices should give us enjoyment. Mine does. If it was not, I'd find something that made me happy instead of being pessimistic.
    AGREED ;)

    As for me having issues w/MS, that is a definite understatement to say the least and encompasses WP and PC. My main dislike is their inability to get it right while giving the public an OS that can't decide whether is is right side up or upside down, way to much instability, inconsistency in this day and age, from my experience the other platforms are miles ahead leaving those using it confident, for the most part, they'll be getting what has been claimed. Not saying they don't have their share of problems too yet from my experience it pails in comparison to MS offerings.

    Just had my "best" computer last night apply the latest update (non-Insider) and for over 2.5 hours I was sitting on the edge of my seat wondering if it was going to recover, being that this is far from the first time same happened, those outcomes being far more worse, find this totally unacceptable. Never in my life have I fresh installed, hard reset so many devices due to constant software glitches and it's inability to decipher "the" next move.
    Last edited by Elky64; 11-21-2016 at 06:23 AM.
    11-21-2016 05:20 AM
  3. rishm's Avatar
    MS support for OS is probably fine, although I wish they do it right (the first time) sooner than us waiting for next release!

    However, beyond the prevalent App gap, my recent contention has been with hardware support for their flagship 950XL - I have been struggling with random reboots, several times a day and there is no way to purchase a genuine battery from MS or their service center in India. And I upgraded my father & wife to 950XL (from 920s & 625)!

    I am now concerned about the money I spent on three 950XL over the last few months - ideally I would purchase a flagship and use it for 2.5 to 3 years but the lack of H/W support won't help. Lumia was certainly better off with Nokia. App gap also hurts more as I miss my bank, gym, credit card, maps / navigation (accuracy compared to Google maps). There are so many savings offers (discounts / cash backs) on iOS & Android apps!
    11-21-2016 06:25 AM
  4. GhostEchelon's Avatar
    Everyone has there reason why they switch. Ok sure I wish I had my bank app. But nope and that's ok. My bank only a 3 mile walk lol

    Go with what you feel that works best for you. Or that you desire to have the most. Every OS has there flaws. Many of Us stick with WM. I choose to stay cause I feel in love with WM10. That why I upgraded to the 950. And I don't regret it even though there are issues. I look at it this way. The more people give the OS a chance. The more devs will come along. But don't let any of us make your final choice. You are the one spending the money. So think for what you want out of a phone and need :)
    Last edited by GhostEchelon; 11-21-2016 at 07:11 AM.
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    11-21-2016 06:57 AM
  5. Mr Hyde's Avatar
    AGREED ;)

    As for me having issues w/MS, that is a definite understatement to say the least and encompasses WP and PC. My main dislike is their inability to get it right while giving the public an OS that can't decide whether is is right side up or upside down, way to much instability, inconsistency in this day and age, from my experience the other platforms are miles ahead leaving those using it confident, for the most part, they'll be getting what has been claimed. Not saying they don't have their share of problems too yet from my experience it pails in comparison to MS offerings.

    Just had my "best" computer last night apply the latest update (non-Insider) and for over 2.5 hours I was sitting on the edge of my seat wondering if it was going to recover, being that this is far from the first time same happened, those outcomes being far more worse, find this totally unacceptable. Never in my life have I fresh installed, hard reset so many devices due to constant software glitches and it's inability to decipher "the" next move.
    I totally understand your pain. I'm rather heavily invested in the MS ecosystem and I have had my share of issues as well. My Surface Pro 3 needed a reload of the OS after an update. I suffered through the growing pains of the Surface Book. I have reset my Lumia 950xl more times than I can count (although I have to blame myself for this one for jumping too deep in the insider program). And most recently I needed to reset my Xbox One after being on a support call for over an hour. The tech suggested I return the Xbox for repair, but a reset fixed the problem. I will agree that MS is far from perfect, and MS support can be fantastic or horrible depending on the person you get.

    But our discussion was about commitment to the mobile OS. I know we both have our opinions but its articles like this that make me a believer. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

    Windows 10 Mobile could get full x86 app emulation for 'Redstone 3' by late 2017 | Windows Central
    Last edited by Mr Hyde; 11-21-2016 at 12:32 PM. Reason: typos
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    11-21-2016 12:29 PM
  6. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    the x86 App emulation is their last hope or full x86 phone
    11-21-2016 02:49 PM
  7. ZeMintCool's Avatar
    Everyone has there reason why they switch. Ok sure I wish I had my bank app. But nope and that's ok. My bank only a 3 mile walk lol

    Go with what you feel that works best for you. Or that you desire to have the most. Every OS has there flaws. Many of Us stick with WM. I choose to stay cause I feel in love with WM10. That why I upgraded to the 950. And I don't regret it even though there are issues. I look at it this way. The more people give the OS a chance. The more devs will come along. But don't let any of us make your final choice. You are the one spending the money. So think for what you want out of a phone and need :)
    AGREED. If you love W10M, stick with it. All this talk about the demise of Windows phone shouldn't freak you considering most people shouldn't have to keep a phone for over 3 years (to stay up to date) at which time you can then decide if it's safe for you to stay on. I use 950XL and I'm encouraged Alcatel and HP are putting out equally great products.
    11-22-2016 11:51 PM
  8. rollindice's Avatar
    I have the Lumia 950,loving it,my wife to be recently shattered her 830 screen ,I then replaced with her phone with 830,I soon after lent her my 950 for a week while I used the 640,she didn't want to give me back,so accustomed to the speed,I got my 950 during April 2016 BOGO deal,my neighbour and I got it,he took the 950XL,now my assistant and I just took deal,he gets a new 950,I get XL,my girl get my previous 950 & my neighbour that get the dock for 50 bucks,can't go wrong with such a deal at fraction of cost for great devices.
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    11-25-2016 04:09 AM
  9. Kacchan's Avatar
    Definitely use Windows 10 and get yourself a Lumia 950. If for whatever reason you decide to switch id advise avoiding android and choose iOS.

    Sent from mTalk
    11-30-2016 01:37 AM
  10. Sedp23's Avatar
    If u can afford it get the elite x3 over the 950. Should have better battery life which is most important imo

    Sent from mTalk
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    11-30-2016 06:18 AM
  11. bydandie's Avatar
    For me, the support of the platform is what let's it down. I've been using WindowsCE, Windows Mobile, iOS, then Windows Phone and now Windows Mobile until today. The backup system now appears to be broken, and having to use B2X for support simply isn't good enough. The Lumias have been outstanding business phones, but if I can't get access to my calls/texts when I have to reset the phone then I have no faith in the ecosystem any more.

    If B2X can't sort this by tomorrow, then I'll be off to iOS unfortunately. :(
    11-30-2016 07:26 AM
  12. Tejas Javery's Avatar
    I have been there where you are. 6600, 6303, Lumia 720, Lumia 535, Lumia 640xl, Lumia 830. And i too had the same dilemma.
    And what did i do?
    Got a Lumia 950XL. :D
    And lemme tell you, it rocks. I am proud to use it. People get amazed by this phone's camera and the continuum feature. It is lovely.
    iOS is good, no doubt. But not a cup of tea for me. I love windows. And gonna stick to it till the end.
    Oh Oh also, you shall feel exclusive. :P everyone you see around you had android and ios. Nobody's got what yout windows phone has.
    And the phone is pretty nice as well. So I would personally say go for windows.
    Now whether to go for Lumia 950 or hp elite x3, it is simple.
    If you want good camera, and lightweight, go for Lumia. And if you prefer other functions over the weight and camera, go for hp.
    Hope this helps.
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    12-15-2016 12:10 PM
  13. Skamath's Avatar
    Simply put what you want is what you get.
    I switched to android a cheaper priced phone, just to sus it out and must say performance I far better than the 1020 I had and also 1/10th the price I paid for 1020. things that I miss from windows phone L1020 are the slow loading camera, glance double tap to wake up and lack of apps. When the 1st party apps that were available started to drop support one by one. I dropped support to MS.
    I haven't had any regrets moving to android. Only that occasionally my hand slides over the screen or sometime I double tap only to realise that I have switched phones. Almost a month into getting used to the OS and the frequency of double tap or glance use has reduced. Don't miss Cortana either. ETTO YMMV.

    In short
    If you like OS stick to WP but also consider if you need minor things like NFC and other components that vary in 950 vs x3.
    If you want to move on to a world of all apps with constant updates Android is better as you have more choices and less cost compared to IOS.
    Last edited by Skamath; 12-19-2016 at 11:31 PM. Reason: In short
    12-19-2016 11:29 PM
  14. humzahyaz's Avatar
    Never move to iOS. Buy Lumia 950!
    12-20-2016 12:17 AM
  15. PerfectReign's Avatar
    one. I dropped support to If you like OS stick to WP but also consider if you need minor things like NFC and other components that vary in 950 vs x3.
    If you want to move on to a world of all apps with constant updates Android is better as you have more choices and less cost compared to IOS.
    One thing I don't miss on my S6 or my son's S7

    Unfortunately com.android.some.process has stopped




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    12-20-2016 09:38 AM
  16. Mr Hyde's Avatar
    One thing I don't miss on my S6 or my son's S7

    Unfortunately com.android.some.process has stopped

    http://i.imgur.com/28my2iI.png


    Sent from mTalk
    No, this is impossible. All phones by Samsung and Apple 'just work' all the time. Only Microsoft phones have problems... (said with much sarcasm)
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    12-20-2016 10:52 AM
  17. Skamath's Avatar
    One thing I don't miss on my S6 or my son's S7

    Unfortunately com.android.some.process has stopped

    http://i.imgur.com/28my2iI.png


    Sent from mTalk
    Like the post above says it can happen to any OS. Google for a fix and it should not bother you ever after.
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    12-30-2016 02:50 PM
  18. xandros9's Avatar
    Like the post above says it can happen to any OS. Google for a fix and it should not bother you ever after.
    Also I have not encountered any Stopped errors in the last couple two Android phones I've used. (Nexus 5X on Nougat and Priv in Marshmallow.)
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    12-30-2016 05:50 PM
  19. Guzzler3's Avatar
    I'm in the same situation as the OP. I recently got a 650 on a defective return of my BLU Win HD LTE. The phone is good, but... I am really, really getting tired of the app gap. I've been holding out because I truly love Windows phones. They are so easy and intuitive to use.

    Can't stand iOS, period. Being a tech guy, people come to me with their tech issues. I absolutely hate it when they shove their iPhone in my face with some weird problem. Takes me forever to find settings, and such, because to me there is no logic or UI conformity in the platform. That, and you have to have iTunes installed somewhere. The one program I absolutely refuse to install on any of my computers. I would rather deal with ransom ware than have iTunes on my systems.

    A perfect example is my neighbor: He always had a dumb cell phone, one day he asks me about getting a smart phone because his old phone finally died. I talked him into getting a Windows phone 8.0. It took him awhile to come to terms with it, and every now and then he would complain about something in it, and I would show him what to do. This went on till he got a new job and they forced an iPhone on him. About a week later he knocks on my door with a screwed up face and starts ranting about his iPhone and how much he hates it. How, for the life of him, he can't understand why people just RAVE about it and how he really never appreciated how nice his Windows Phone was for ease of use.

    As for Android, meh. I too am in the camp of not liking the security issues that keep cropping up and making headlines. But it does fill the app gap, meaning if there is an iPhone app, there is an Android app. The app UI guidelines really aren't there, as some apps put things in one place, another could put the same in completely different place and again trying to find what is where is time consuming. And no iTunes required!!!

    Personally, I'm going to hold out till the next major build of WM and the new phones (now that all the Lumia phones are gone on the MS store) to see what MS has in store for us. I'm really hoping that MS pulls a rabbit out of the hat to impress developers to port apps (personally I would like to see the ability to run Android apps on WM under emulation). But if not, I will most likely jump ship to Android.

    I know I will miss WM deeply when that day comes
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    12-31-2016 09:14 AM
  20. Skamath's Avatar
    I'm in the same situation as the OP. I recently got a 650 on a defective return of my BLU Win HD LTE. The phone is good, but... I am really, really getting tired of the app gap. I've been holding out because I truly love Windows phones. They are so easy and intuitive to use.

    Can't stand iOS, period. Being a tech guy, people come to me with their tech issues. I absolutely hate it when they shove their iPhone in my face with some weird problem. Takes me forever to find settings, and such, because to me there is no logic or UI conformity in the platform. That, and you have to have iTunes installed somewhere. The one program I absolutely refuse to install on any of my computers. I would rather deal with ransom ware than have iTunes on my systems.

    A perfect example is my neighbor: He always had a dumb cell phone, one day he asks me about getting a smart phone because his old phone finally died. I talked him into getting a Windows phone 8.0. It took him awhile to come to terms with it, and every now and then he would complain about something in it, and I would show him what to do. This went on till he got a new job and they forced an iPhone on him. About a week later he knocks on my door with a screwed up face and starts ranting about his iPhone and how much he hates it. How, for the life of him, he can't understand why people just RAVE about it and how he really never appreciated how nice his Windows Phone was for ease of use.

    As for Android, meh. I too am in the camp of not liking the security issues that keep cropping up and making headlines. But it does fill the app gap, meaning if there is an iPhone app, there is an Android app. The app UI guidelines really aren't there, as some apps put things in one place, another could put the same in completely different place and again trying to find what is where is time consuming. And no iTunes required!!!

    Personally, I'm going to hold out till the next major build of WM and the new phones (now that all the Lumia phones are gone on the MS store) to see what MS has in store for us. I'm really hoping that MS pulls a rabbit out of the hat to impress developers to port apps (personally I would like to see the ability to run Android apps on WM under emulation). But if not, I will most likely jump ship to Android.

    I know I will miss WM deeply when that day comes
    Agree with the OS side. It is freaking awesome the little WP be it 8/ 8.1/ 10 The support it needs to get from big guns at MS next to nothing.

    Cant stand iOS with all its complexities and what not. Anyone with common sense will find it difficult to navigate through settings until they are with the phone for a long time. IMHO I think most apple users are too dumb to tweak anything for themselves until one day they have some problem. All they know is everyone is raving about it, there are plenty of fart apps and silly games, some very good essential apps and serious developers. I think they stick around because of the market share, popularity of the OS and the commitment of apple behind their product. Oh forgot the major detail about how they infringe on the original nokia developed patents and steal ideas and market it first like it is their own. I just hope Nokia's lawsuit will but a big dent in their easily stolen, gullible people's money. Their hardware is not worth the money spent on.

    Just curious if you phone had a dumbphone all these years and he did an upgrade to iPhone because the carrier pushed it in his face, would he agree about the windows phone being easier to use? I ask because, when I talk to isheep who have had Iphones all their lives, they kind of hesitate to even try the windows phone and if not even go to an extent to say that even iPhone can do that!

    Mr Tech guy educate me please as I have recently jumped ship to android. The security issues that make headlines only infects phones if the user is directly involved in the first step like installing anything from outside the app store or something like that. Is my assumption right or it can affect even my phone when I am careful not to do anything major and silly?

    I am with on that last part, until Nutella comes up with some miracle phone (or not as we have other willing OEMs) to seduce developers (classy essential app developers and not the silly arty farty apps) and retain them for the long term, I will keep an eye out for the Nokia android flagship. I have my gut feeling that windows mobile will be more business orientated than for ordinary people and hence OS heading in direction of installing software instead of apps.
    What do you think?
    Cheers
    01-01-2017 12:49 AM
  21. Guzzler3's Avatar
    Just curious if you phone had a dumbphone all these years and he did an upgrade to iPhone because the carrier pushed it in his face, would he agree about the windows phone being easier to use? I ask because, when I talk to isheep who have had Iphones all their lives, they kind of hesitate to even try the windows phone and if not even go to an extent to say that even iPhone can do that!
    No my neighbor still has his WP, as it is his personal phone. The company he works for issued him an iPhone for work. So he carries around 2 phones now. Oh, and an iPad. They were issued because of the company has an app that only works on iOS.
    Mr Tech guy educate me please as I have recently jumped ship to android. The security issues that make headlines only infects phones if the user is directly involved in the first step like installing anything from outside the app store or something like that. Is my assumption right or it can affect even my phone when I am careful not to do anything major and silly?
    Even in the google play store there have been apps published that steal information off your phone, contacts, sms, location, etc. Google is pretty good at kicking out those apps when it's discovered, but sometimes it takes awhile for someone to find that app. But sometimes they can't block those apps because in their EULA it states that this app accesses contacts, location, etc. But people don't read the EULA's and just click OK without realizing it. A couple of years ago there was a big stink about the number of simple "Flashlight" apps that people installed that were really just there to get your personal data (this type of thing was also in issue on iOS too).
    I am with on that last part, until Nutella comes up with some miracle phone (or not as we have other willing OEMs) to seduce developers (classy essential app developers and not the silly arty farty apps) and retain them for the long term, I will keep an eye out for the Nokia android flagship. I have my gut feeling that windows mobile will be more business orientated than for ordinary people and hence OS heading in direction of installing software instead of apps.
    What do you think?
    Cheers
    MS has stated that WM is going to be refined more for "business" use. i.e. corporate apps. With Visual Studio being pushed hard for developing Universal App's (apps written for the modern interface for Desktop, tablets, and phones). But from dabbling around in VS myself, it still takes more effort and time to design an app that morphs properly for every screen size, which is why on the MS store, you still find apps that are only for desktop.

    If I personally do jump ship to Android, I will be looking for and affordable handset that is pure Android (like the Nexus and Pixel). I haven't really been paying attention to specific manufactures and models of phones, yet. But the one thing that does irk me about Android and Google is how much information they collect for marketing. But that is how Google "pays the bills" so you have to let them have it to play.
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