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  1. timppa_k's Avatar
    We had a "big" coffee break discussion about taking or not the Windows 10. Now I'm speaking about home users not about company policy. What happens if I say NO?
    07-23-2015 04:15 AM
  2. Rasetech's Avatar
    Then you stay with 8.1 and after one year the free upgrade period is over. For future updates that you might want to use you are screwed and need to buy a licence.
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    07-23-2015 04:20 AM
  3. colinkiama's Avatar
    We had a "big" coffee break discussion about taking or not the Windows 10. Now I'm speaking about home users not about company policy. What happens if I say NO?

    Then you stay on 8.1 but still have 1 whole year to upgrade for free in case you change your mind. After you will have to pay to upgrade.
    07-23-2015 04:21 AM
  4. Japser's Avatar
    I suggest saying yes to the upgrade though. There really are hardly any reasons to stay on 8.1, and 10 is looking really good.
    07-23-2015 11:52 AM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    Windows 8.1's support lifecycle ends in 2023, so if YOU decided to stay on Windows 8.1 you will get security updates for a long while yet. Despite all the fanboy hype Windows 10 has a long way to go before its a complete OS with lots of reported crashes in Edge and store apps, not to mention missing sync features, no onedrive placeholders and missing addons in Edge. (Prime example, do you really want to deal with this? http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...y-anymore.html). This time next year would be a good time to properly reassess what state Windows 10 is in and if its worth upgrading to.

    As for how to do it, just decline the update when its presented in Windows Update and continue with your current OS.
    07-23-2015 12:10 PM
  6. AndyCalling's Avatar
    You can always image your HDD and upgrade to W10 within the year. You may want to make a second image of the W10 install too. Then restore the 8.1 image. Once your foot is in the door you can then upgrade properly once the touch mode has been completed and W10 can compete with W8 on modern touch devices. You could even update your legacy wimp devices now and just update then image back on the modern touch devices until MS get W10 sorted out. Best of both worlds.

    W8.1 is still in the feature support phase for the next few years anyway, according to the MS support timescale pages, so it won't just get security fixes but support with new features as well. Here's hoping for access to the new app store, the new core apps and DX12.
    07-23-2015 12:20 PM
  7. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    True, but the universal app design template for Windows 10 is different then for Windows 8.1.

    The addition of the hamburger menu with integration of the functionality contained in the charms into the app itself is going to be problematic. Today, I find using Windows 8 modern apps a pain in my Windows 10 environment - that is just going to continue to get worse.

    And if Windows really does get 1 billion instances of Windows 10 installed, you should see the app store respond correspondingly.

    Windows 8 tried something dramatically different, Windows 10 is closer to Windows 7 in its design language then it is to Windows 8. I suggest you will find backward compatibility issues causing you some serious problems in the future.... Issues that Windows 7 users will not experience in the same way.

    I would not stay on Windows 8.1 - either downgrade to Windows 7 or upgrade to Windows 10.
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    07-23-2015 12:27 PM
  8. winboy's Avatar
    Why would you not want to upgrade???
    07-23-2015 12:31 PM
  9. AndyCalling's Avatar
    No-one much will stick with W10 on touch devices for long, so anyone wanting to develop a touch app will want a W8 version out there. W10 apps are more at home on the desktop. Hopefully that means we won't get fragmentation issues but if we do MS will need to address such with their current OSs (those still in feature support timeframe like W8.1).

    You can set up a dual boot system. I am thinking that way for my desktop but it won't help for low storage touch devices.

    Clearly, W10 is the desktop strand of the Windows ecosystem and W8 is the touch strand currently. The only sensible approach is to run both in the same ecosystem until MS provide a viable touch strand upgrade. I don't advise you downgrade any touch device to W7 as that's even worse on touch than W10 (if you can believe it).

    Winboy, many people do want to upgrade but want to wait until W10 is as functional as W8. Looking at the current state, a year may well not be enough time for MS to climb that mountain.
    07-23-2015 12:46 PM
  10. Japser's Avatar
    Winboy, many people do want to upgrade but want to wait until W10 is as functional as W8. Looking at the current state, a year may well not be enough time for MS to climb that mountain.
    I agree that it might be a good idea for some people to wait a little while. But I do believe that W10 will be as functional, and probably even more functional, than W8.1 before the free upgrade offer expires. It's already pretty close as it is.
    07-23-2015 12:52 PM
  11. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Hopefully, but 'pretty close' is a bit of a stretch on touch devices. Depends on your usage. I hope we won't have to wait over a year but I think it best to plan for the need to wait longer. It's hardly an unlikely scenario.
    07-23-2015 12:56 PM
  12. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Other reasons;
    You loose Windows Media Centre
    In the home version updates are automatically (you can not switch this off) and some people do not like it,.
    It's something "new" and "complicated".
    You are satisfied with the current version.
    07-23-2015 12:58 PM
  13. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    No-one much will stick with W10 on touch devices for long, so anyone wanting to develop a touch app will want a W8 version out there. W10 apps are more at home on the desktop. Hopefully that means we won't get fragmentation issues but if we do MS will need to address such with their current OSs (those still in feature support timeframe like W8.1).

    You can set up a dual boot system. I am thinking that way for my desktop but it won't help for low storage touch devices.

    Clearly, W10 is the desktop strand of the Windows ecosystem and W8 is the touch strand currently. The only sensible approach is to run both in the same ecosystem until MS provide a viable touch strand upgrade. I don't advise you downgrade any touch device to W7 as that's even worse on touch than W10 (if you can believe it).

    Winboy, many people do want to upgrade but want to wait until W10 is as functional as W8. Looking at the current state, a year may well not be enough time for MS to climb that mountain.
    I do not understand your point? You do not think that W10 works as well on tablet / touch first devices as W8.1? I am running both and I disagree with you quite a bit. Are you testing Windows 10? Have you used it in tablet mode?

    I have a Surface Pro running 8.1 and a desktop computer running W10, To get a real good feel for tablet mode, I RDP into my desktop using an iPad (I am sure everyone will find that funny)! And I love it. It is far more intuitive to use then Windows 8.1... The only thing that took a little getting used to was the new gestures for pinning apps side by side.

    On the Surface, I never use the "Tablet Mode"... I, like just about everyone else on Windows 8, installed a third party start screen (Start8) to get me out of that nightmare.

    I will predict very few will stay on any flavor of Windows 8... That population will migrate very quickly to Windows 10. Windows 7 will take a little more time, if ever, on their existing hardware. Microsoft may say that it will support Windows 8 until 2023, but backward compatibility will be a very low consideration for developers moving forward - making Windows 8 a very difficult platform to stay with.

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    Last edited by Scott Bradley; 07-23-2015 at 04:11 PM.
    07-23-2015 03:59 PM
  14. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Scott, this thread is a practical thread about the how rather than the why. If you would like to read one of the (huge) number of threads here, in the MS feedback forums and across the internet comprehensively listing and debating the numerous issues with touch on W10 you would not be so puzzled. Better to post your questions in those rather than to try to derail this one.
    07-23-2015 04:06 PM
  15. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    Well Andy, you took it off line in the first place when you indicated very matter-of-factly that "No-one much will stick with W10 on touch devices for long".

    I would say that statement is just as much an opinion as mine. My point, and I stick with it - if you try to stay with Windows 8.1 for very long you are going to experience backward compatibility issues that will not impact Windows 7 users. Most of those issues will come from migration to the Universal App store.

    Windows 8.1 won't get the Universal App store and none of the existing apps will be updated and no new apps will be added / maintained in 8.1.

    I do find it interesting that you think that a product such as W8, that has so little market share that it cannot attract developers, and will have a micro share after the W10 release - that any developers will want to continue to support the Windows 8 app store. I won't...

    So good luck staying with 8.1
    Last edited by Scott Bradley; 07-23-2015 at 05:25 PM.
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    07-23-2015 05:08 PM
  16. AndyCalling's Avatar
    My post was directly relevant to the practical application and effect so on topic. I never stated it was other than opinion. I will discuss this no further with you here as it is inappropriate. Please PM me if you want a response or be put on the ignore list.
    Last edited by AndyCalling; 07-23-2015 at 06:14 PM.
    07-23-2015 05:57 PM
  17. timppa_k's Avatar
    I thank you all for the opinions. I got some important points to think about. I'm using W10 in two laptop and two phones and I like W10. I wanted only to hear some professional opinions for the coffee break "board".

    Thanks a lot. Let stop this topic here.
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    07-23-2015 07:40 PM
  18. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Other reasons;
    You loose Windows Media Centre
    In the home version updates are automatically (you can not switch this off) and some people do not like it,.
    It's something "new" and "complicated".
    You are satisfied with the current version.
    You loose most of WMC with 8.1 unless you have 8.1 Pro and even then you have to download a patch. I miss using WMP for movies all the installed ones suck
    07-23-2015 07:59 PM
  19. Krystianpants's Avatar
    You loose most of WMC with 8.1 unless you have 8.1 Pro and even then you have to download a patch. I miss using WMP for movies all the installed ones suck
    Doesn't xbox dvr replace it anyways?
    07-23-2015 08:21 PM
  20. pureview_lvr's Avatar
    We had a "big" coffee break discussion about taking or not the Windows 10. Now I'm speaking about home users not about company policy. What happens if I say NO?
    I would say you should upgrade to windows 10
    No any big reason to stick with windows 8.1 as windows 10 looking more polished and much improved.
    Decide, you have a year to free upgrade.
    But I will definitely upgrade.
    07-23-2015 08:57 PM
  21. nohra's Avatar
    Other reasons;
    In the home version updates are automatically (you can not switch this off) and some people do not like it,.
    I forgot about reading about this; glad you brought it up, because it will be a point to consider. 99% of the time, it wouldn't matter and I'd want auto updates, but that 1% when you hear that MS pushed out a buggy update that causes problems and you would like to just skip it will suck!

    In the end, I'm sure I'll eventually switch to W10 because I'm certainly not a W8/W8.1 fan, but I'm in no hurry.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    07-24-2015 02:09 PM
  22. nohra's Avatar
    I would say you should upgrade to windows 10
    No any big reason to stick with windows 8.1 as windows 10 looking more polished and much improved.
    Decide, you have a year to free upgrade.
    But I will definitely upgrade.
    :-) first time I've heard the words "windows 10" and "more polished" in the same sentence with out a "not" between them :-)
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    07-24-2015 02:10 PM
  23. Scott Bradley's Avatar
    :-) first time I've heard the words "windows 10" and "more polished" in the same sentence with out a "not" between them :-)
    Then you haven't been reading pretty much every tech blog currently "On The Line" :)
    pureview_lvr likes this.
    07-24-2015 02:15 PM
  24. nohra's Avatar
    Then you haven't been reading pretty much every tech blog currently "On The Line" :)
    I haven't, only WC.
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    07-24-2015 03:15 PM
  25. Dane Domagal's Avatar
    I recently installed windows 10 onto my alienware 14 laptop. After my first restart i got the error message "kernel auto boost lock acquisition with raised irql" as soon as i touch my touchpad. I can login and use the laptop normally so long as i do not use the touchpad during bootup or login, after that it is fine. The other problem i have is that i am now missing my Nvidia GeFroce GT750 M graphics card. It is only showing my Intel HD Graphics 4600 card.
    03-08-2016 12:47 AM

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