10-09-2017 06:45 AM
75 123
tools
  1. WindowsCentral.com's Avatar


    While it might not come as a surprise to some Windows phone fans, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has confirmed that he was originally against Microsoft's decision to acquire Nokia's handset business in 2013.

    Full story from the WindowsCentral blog...
    09-25-2017 02:40 PM
  2. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    I figured the chances that Windowscentral.com would post this info would be slim to none so I'm doing it for everyone. Enjoy folks.

    https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-ce...system-phones/
    fatclue_98 likes this.
    09-25-2017 02:40 PM
  3. anon(7929613)'s Avatar
    The world needed a better eco system. There is always room for something better.
    09-25-2017 02:43 PM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    There’s a reason President Obama made sure none of the Big 3 automakers failed. A duopoly benefits none except the fat cats at the helm.
    09-25-2017 05:41 PM
  5. Timbre70's Avatar
    If he already harbor this thought at the beginning, it's no surprise 🎊 where Windows Mobile is now. On the other hand ✋, it would be totally different if he thought the other way. It's all in the mind.
    09-25-2017 06:21 PM
  6. libra89's Avatar
    Thank you for the link, but Windows Central posted it a bit after you made this thread: https://www.windowscentral.com/satya...ia-acquisition

    As for my thoughts, I don't know. As a fan, I find this to be saddening but at the same time, it is telling that Bill Gates wasn't comfy with it either. It's crazy to me that the last phones that marked the end of the deal are now the only supported phones.

    My feelings are mixed about this confirmation. There's still no OS like Windows Phone/Mobile.
    09-25-2017 06:47 PM
  7. Guytronic's Avatar
    I'm wondering if Mr. Nadella might be stepping down sometime in 2018.
    esmjahan likes this.
    09-25-2017 07:24 PM
  8. Joe920's Avatar
    Dear Satya, Apple and Google are eating your desktop business from the inside out. Enjoy the show.
    09-25-2017 08:00 PM
  9. etphoto's Avatar
    I'm wondering if Mr. Nadella might be stepping down sometime in 2018.
    I will never understand the logic of a "tech giant" like MS ignoring the largest customer base, mobile users. Nadella helping Microsoft in making money but i fear it's short term. I hope the share holders see that.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    09-25-2017 08:02 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    There’s a reason President Obama made sure none of the Big 3 automakers failed. A duopoly benefits none except the fat cats at the helm.
    What about desktop? That's barely even a duopoly; it's much closer to a monopoly.

    I will never understand the logic of a "tech giant" like MS ignoring the largest customer base, mobile users.
    Microsoft tried. The customers didn't like what they had to offer. The only devices they could move were the cheap ones.
    09-25-2017 08:14 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What about desktop? That's barely even a duopoly; it's much closer to a monopoly.



    Microsoft tried. The customers didn't like what they had to offer. The only devices they could move were the cheap ones.

    You answered your own question. Customers didn't like the other desktop offerings for whatever reason. I used to be a Mac-only guy until Windows 7 showed me that MS was getting with the program. As reviled as it was, I actually enjoyed the heck out of Windows 8.
    09-25-2017 08:33 PM
  12. dkediger's Avatar
    I think it's debatable that Microsoft really "tried."
    09-25-2017 08:35 PM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    Customers didn't like the other desktop offerings for whatever reason.
    Customers didn't like the other mobile offerings. Does that justify the monopoly on desktop, but yet it's inexcusable in mobile? I'm sorry, but I don't understand your reasoning.
    09-25-2017 08:43 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Customers didn't like the other mobile offerings. Does that justify the monopoly on desktop, but yet it's inexcusable in mobile? I'm sorry, but I don't understand your reasoning.
    I never called it inexcusable. It's to no one's benefit that there be limited choice, desktop included. Linux is far from usable to other than enthusiasts, let's keep that straight. The majority of average users want plug-and-play, not plug-and-sudo. Macs have gotten more expensive than the average consumer will stomach and most of the time I see people using their Macbooks and they're booted on Windows!!

    There's a laundry list of mobile OSes that have come and gone. For whatever reasons, people didn't support them (BlackBerry OS10) or their OS was superior but the hardware blew chunks (webOS).

    I'd love to see Mac OS on more affordable hardware but I'm not overspending for the privilege of having a glowing apple on my lid. That's crazy. Androids are breeching the once-absurd iPhone price points so there's a void for high-end phones that needs to be filled. Who's going to do it?

    If anything's inexcusable it's the public's apathy, not anything I've said.
    libra89, tgp, Laura Knotek and 4 others like this.
    09-25-2017 09:02 PM
  15. nate0's Avatar
    The world needed a better eco system. There is always room for something better.
    That's what we're banking on once "Andromeda" hits the scene.
    hjmcgrath and Arko109 like this.
    09-25-2017 09:46 PM
  16. tgp's Avatar
    @fatclue_98 OK your explanation makes sense. The reasons Microsoft has a monopoly in desktop are the same reasons there is a duopoly in mobile. Anyone who wants to run with the big dogs must provide something desired by the consumers. You like Windows mobile, I like(d) Windows mobile, but for whatever reason, the average consumer didn't. Therefore, the market shakes out with iOS and Android.

    That said, my anecdotal observations caused me to conclude that the only people worried about the OS monopolies are the fans of whichever OS is not a participant. The WM fans are the ones complaining about the mobile situation. Likewise, Linux and Mac OS fans are not happy with the desktop situation. We all wish our preferences were on top, and we'll embrace any view that fits our agenda. Yet we're all affected exactly the same.

    Androids are breeching the once-absurd iPhone price points so there's a void for high-end phones that needs to be filled. Who's going to do it?
    How about mid range Androids such as the OnePlus line? There is a plethora of those.
    09-25-2017 09:59 PM
  17. etphoto's Avatar
    @fatclue_98

    That said, my anecdotal observations caused me to conclude that the only people worried about the OS monopolies are the fans of whichever OS is not a participant. The WM fans are the ones complaining about the mobile situation. Likewise, Linux and Mac OS fans are not happy with the desktop situation. We all wish our preferences were on top, and we'll embrace any view that fits our agenda. Yet we're all affected exactly the same.



    .
    I can only speak for myself but I couldn't careless if my favorite mobile OS is #1 or #2 . I just want it to be available for me to purchase when the time comes to get a new phone. I know I don't drink the #1 selling beer and I don't lose any sleep over it, just as long as the corner store has some when I stop by.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    09-25-2017 10:19 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    @fatclue_98 OK your explanation makes sense. The reasons Microsoft has a monopoly in desktop are the same reasons there is a duopoly in mobile. Anyone who wants to run with the big dogs must provide something desired by the consumers. You like Windows mobile, I like(d) Windows mobile, but for whatever reason, the average consumer didn't. Therefore, the market shakes out with iOS and Android.

    That said, my anecdotal observations caused me to conclude that the only people worried about the OS monopolies are the fans of whichever OS is not a participant. The WM fans are the ones complaining about the mobile situation. Likewise, Linux and Mac OS fans are not happy with the desktop situation. We all wish our preferences were on top, and we'll embrace any view that fits our agenda. Yet we're all affected exactly the same.



    How about mid range Androids such as the OnePlus line? There is a plethora of those.
    OnePlus probably wasn’t the best example considering that they’ve dropped support for all but the 5, but I get your point. The problem with mid range phones is that they usually lack the sought-after features consumers want. With carriers offering monthly installments folks aren’t going for these as much as they should. Even the better mid rangers like the Keyone are going for $550 which is a princely sum but are relatively “cheap” when compared to iPhones and Galaxys.

    Yes, I like Windows but I’m not in favor of choice because my preferred OS is doing poorly. I naturally root for the underdog because they’re hungry. I’m using the iPhone 8 right now because Android has lost its mojo. They’re complacent and it’s starting to show. I’ll give up some functionality for a more cohesive experience and if (when?) MS ties its shoelaces I’ll be right back. There’s no question in my mind that W10M is the superior OS for my needs but I have to stay practical and go with what’s going to butter my bread.
    tgp, Laura Knotek, libra89 and 1 others like this.
    09-26-2017 08:04 AM
  19. tgp's Avatar
    OnePlus probably wasn’t the best example considering that they’ve dropped support for all but the 5, but I get your point. The problem with mid range phones is that they usually lack the sought-after features consumers want. With carriers offering monthly installments folks aren’t going for these as much as they should. Even the better mid rangers like the Keyone are going for $550 which is a princely sum but are relatively “cheap” when compared to iPhones and Galaxys.

    Yes, I like Windows but I’m not in favor of choice because my preferred OS is doing poorly. I naturally root for the underdog because they’re hungry. I’m using the iPhone 8 right now because Android has lost its mojo. They’re complacent and it’s starting to show. I’ll give up some functionality for a more cohesive experience and if (when?) MS ties its shoelaces I’ll be right back. There’s no question in my mind that W10M is the superior OS for my needs but I have to stay practical and go with what’s going to butter my bread.
    Gotcha! Excellent explanation.

    My opinion is that until services on mobile become platform agnostic, we won't see a strong 3rd competitor. We'll need something like PWA.

    Here's my reasoning: right now, a company can develop two apps and get virtually the entire market. If a 3rd platform such as WM became large enough that it could not be ignored, the company would then need to write three apps for the same coverage.

    We actually saw it spin out this way with Windows phone/mobile. Developers tended to ignore it until they couldn't anymore, and even then it was treated like the proverbial red-headed stepchild. It was the last to get support, and the first to be dropped.

    Yes, I like Windows but I’m not in favor of choice because my preferred OS is doing poorly. I naturally root for the underdog because they’re hungry.
    Just a note about this: I did say that my data was anecdotal. I don't see anyone on this forum complaining about the monopoly on desktop, and I don't see members of iMore or AndroidCentral complaining about the duopoly in mobile. Why not?
    Laura Knotek, libra89 and TgeekB like this.
    09-26-2017 08:24 AM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Just a note about this: I did say that my data was anecdotal. I don't see anyone on this forum complaining about the monopoly on desktop, and I don't see members of iMore or AndroidCentral complaining about the duopoly in mobile. Why not?
    I'm a webOS lover, what do I know about popular platforms?
    09-26-2017 08:39 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    I'm a webOS lover, what do I know about popular platforms?
    So you bring this on yourself!

    But hang in there. The Chicago Cubs fans waited only 107 years.
    fatclue_98 and Laura Knotek like this.
    09-26-2017 08:39 AM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So you bring this on yourself!

    But hang in there. The Chicago Cubs fans waited only 107 years.
    I’m a Marlins fan, we got our 2 titles. Coincidentally, the Cubs helped us with one. Ouch!!!
    tgp and Laura Knotek like this.
    09-26-2017 09:20 AM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    I’m a Marlins fan, we got our 2 titles.
    Dave Barry, who IMHO is one of the finest columnists man has ever known, wrote after the 2003 World Series: "...win the World Series, which we do, like clockwork, every 6 years."
    Laura Knotek and fatclue_98 like this.
    09-26-2017 12:42 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Dave Barry, who IMHO is one of the finest columnists man has ever known, wrote after the 2003 World Series: "...win the World Series, which we do, like clockwork, every 6 years."
    Love me some Dave Barry. Harry Anderson didn’t do him any favors the way he portrayed him on that TV show. Watched it all of 5 minutes.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    09-26-2017 04:41 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    @fatclue_98 OK your explanation makes sense. The reasons Microsoft has a monopoly in desktop are the same reasons there is a duopoly in mobile. Anyone who wants to run with the big dogs must provide something desired by the consumers. You like Windows mobile, I like(d) Windows mobile, but for whatever reason, the average consumer didn't. Therefore, the market shakes out with iOS and Android.

    That said, my anecdotal observations caused me to conclude that the only people worried about the OS monopolies are the fans of whichever OS is not a participant. The WM fans are the ones complaining about the mobile situation. Likewise, Linux and Mac OS fans are not happy with the desktop situation. We all wish our preferences were on top, and we'll embrace any view that fits our agenda. Yet we're all affected exactly the same.



    How about mid range Androids such as the OnePlus line? There is a plethora of those.
    Totally agree.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    09-26-2017 05:07 PM
75 123

Similar Threads

  1. APPS- microsoft band and store problems
    By khaled22 in forum Windows 10 Mobile
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 10-05-2017, 07:10 AM
  2. Stop searching for a place to plug-in and charge with the $5 RAVPower mini battery pack
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-25-2017, 02:40 PM
  3. Why Insiders should opt-out of the program when Windows 10 Fall Creators Update launches
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-25-2017, 02:10 PM
  4. Apple drops Bing in favor of Google for Spotlight and Siri web search results
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 09-25-2017, 12:30 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD