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  1. theefman's Avatar
    I have a Dell venue pro and even with its issues I dont see the problems posted. Occasional crashes yes, with wifi on almost instant but apart from that nothing remotely like what mgarcia posted.
    03-16-2011 12:37 PM
  2. wheelerk's Avatar
    I have a Dell venue pro and even with its issues I dont see the problems posted. Occasional crashes yes, with wifi on almost instant but apart from that nothing remotely like what mgarcia posted.
    LOL, thats why I think he needs help. :-)
    03-16-2011 12:42 PM
  3. Pete C's Avatar
    LOL, you should switch to a different phone. No way can they satisfy you. I thought I was being b1tchy about my Zune and Marketplace problems. Sheesh.
    I agree. I experience hardly any of the issues he reported. The virtual keyboard one especially made me laugh when considering how laggy the one in iOS is by comparison.
    03-16-2011 12:55 PM
  4. Pete C's Avatar
    Dude, you got a lemon phone. My Focus doesn't have any of those issues.
    I totally agree. This business of seeing all these issues on 3 different devices I am just not buying. I have 2 Focuses in my household and have only seen some of those issues and extremely rarely. The only one that happens regularly is the marketplace crash, but I never once had to remove my battery to resolve that issue.
    03-16-2011 01:13 PM
  5. gibbyhome's Avatar
    Dude, you need to replace your phone
    I had a Samsung Focus and it was rock solid and the camera was awsome 10x better than the dell venue so it looks like you have a bad device ..
    you should return it and get a replacement ..
    did you add a sd card to your device ? maybee that could be your problem ...
    most of your problems sounds like a hardware issue..

    Did you drop your phone in the tolet like that commercial ? you know that wasent real.. you cant do that..


    I guess some of us that are not really excited to have a Windows Phone device that doesn't work and does freeze 5 times a day are just getting frustrated by all the positivity.



    Unless noted otherwise, I have seen all of the following bugs occur on my Focus, my girlfriend's Quantum, and a coworker's HD7.

    1. When I press the unlock/lock/power button, the screen just flashes.
    2. Alarms - unable to wake from music
    3. AT&T apps - usually just launchers for AT&T's website
    4. Calculator - I guess you got me there.
    5. Calendar - Keeps deleting entries, deletes more entries, unable to process multiple calendars, then it deletes more entries.
    6. Camera - Do I even need to start? What a joke.
    7. Hotmail - One of the better parts of the phone, but horrid multiple folder management, unability to mark spam, no option to auto show pictures, and horrible attachment management (along with a long list of other, smaller nuisances) means that I still have to log in to my computer once a day to re-sort all of my email.
    8. Internet Explorer - slow, bugged, crashes, broken. I've heard some people haven't experienced this. I'm not sure if you're blind or a liar, but either way, good for you. IE has been a scrapheap of garbage on every WP7 device I touch.
    9. Maps - I don't know if this is on Samsung or Microsoft, but it can't find me to save it's life.
    10. Marketplace - If this doesn't crash on you daily, yer lucky. I think my record was six times in a row, requiring battery pulls just to get it to reinitialize.
    11. Messaging - The single biggest problem I have with messaging is how slow and laggy the virtual keyboard is. I don't like having the "click click" sounds turned on when I'm typing on a sheet of glass, but this keyboard is so horrendous that I have to. It will go 2-3 seconds and ignore all contact made, skipping over entire words at times.
    12. Music and Videos - DRM'd music (ie: anything I download on my Zunepass) is broken and stutters. Videos, unless running at native resolutions, are broken and stutter. It's 2011 and we're not even talking about if the ability to play embedded youtube videos will ever exist. Compared to a ZuneHD, this phone is a joke. Oh, and there's still no STOP button.
    13. Office - I just have one word - Skydrive. Ugh.
    14. People - Randomly deletes off of my start page. Randomly deletes pictures. No auto update for people feed. Randomly un-links multiple entries. Broken.
    15. Phone - Biggest problem here is that no one seems to be able to make a headset with a microphone that works properly. Even using the Samsung headset that came with the phone, the phone uses the speakerphone mic and just puts the output voice through the headset. Probably Samsung's problem, still broken. Oh, and it's 2011 and they haven't even talked about bringing visual voicemail to wp7 yet. Joke. Not Samsung's fault - about 10% of the incoming calls answered result in no outgoing voice. Nah, it's cool, they don't need to hear me anyway.
    16. Pictures - Eh, looks like that's #2 bug free.. but with the b*ner that Belfiore gets over his pictures hub, this is to be expected. If only everything else worked this smoothly.
    17. WiFi turns off when the screen is off. This should have been patched the day the phone launched, to go 6 months with this causing people's data bills to skyrocket is offensive.
    18. It's almost Q2 2011 and I can't choose my own ringtone.
    19. Xbox crashes about 50% of the time I launch it. If I'm lucky enough to get the Xbox live page open, then I have about a 50% chance of the game I want to play crashing. I'm not good at math, but I think that means that if I want to play a game, I have to essentially try to launch the game FOUR TIMES before I finally get the "Microsoft Studios" screen of life. Oh, and half of the games have acheivement bugs.
    20. Finally, Settings - settings is probably the worst one of the bunch, because there aren't any. the sheer, undeniable, mind-blowing LACK of switches and buttons available to us in the settings is frightening.. The settings page makes iOS feel like an open-sourced software. It's bad. Worst part of WP7.

    Well, I just went through the apps that came on the phone. If anyone else has any apps that you'd like me to tear apart and tell you why they're broken, just let me know. Thanks guys!
    03-16-2011 01:19 PM
  6. spitothec's Avatar
    You're right, I should have waited for Rev. B. Maybe I'll just switch to Sprint so I can have NoDo since MS has no sense of urgency to get it out to the people that have been suffering through .7004 since launch. It's real sweet of them.

    @PeteC - http://forums.windowscentral.com/sam...-keyboard.html

    If anyone else needs me to, let me know and I'll gladly link you to threads or blog posts on this very website in reference to any of the issues I stated. If you'd rather I didn't, the search button is at the top right of the page. There's nothing in that list that other people aren't complaining about... and the sad part is, that doesn't even involve my biggest issue with Microsoft's ecosystem, which is their astoundingly horrible practices and policies regarding how devices get linked to your Live ID and how everytime you do a wipe of your device, it shows up as a new (added) device to your Live (Xbox/Zune) account... but that's for another thread entirely.

    This is my 2nd Focus, I've used a Quantum for a week, and tested all of these on an HD7. It's not a hardware issue, it's a software issue.

    You can stop telling me to take it back to get an Android phone. I've already had two of them. Android is horrible. I'm stick of Apple's ecosystem. I'm scared of what HP plans to do with WebOS, and I don't trust RIM since they're confused about what they want to do with their OS. I really don't think I'm asking too much when I say that the only thing I want is a WP7 phone that behaves the way it's supposed to, and it's something that Microsoft can't figure out how to do.. but then again, why would they when their fanbase is ignorant to the mountain of issues and bugs with the OS, which keeps growing daily. I'm thinking about putting this paragraph in my signature, I'm getting tired of typing it out.

    Thanks for reading! :D
    03-16-2011 02:09 PM
  7. Pete C's Avatar
    I had a Samsung Focus and it was rock solid and the camera was awsome 10x better than the dell venue so it looks like you have a bad device
    You can get excellent results out of that camera it with good lighting. The camera quality is echoed in every review I have read of the Focus as well. The flash ruins shots in my experience, so low light is not going to happen, but that said I pretty much hate using a flash even on most point-and-shoot cameras. Literally my only gripe about the camera is that you can't save your settings. This is pretty ridiculous actually considering that the camera is pretty tweakable. It's too bad they don't open the camera API for 3rd party apps like Apple does. This would allow for a great camera app to come along and save our settings.
    03-16-2011 02:15 PM
  8. Pete C's Avatar
    You're right, I should have waited for Rev. B. Maybe I'll just switch to Sprint so I can have NoDo since MS has no sense of urgency to get it out to the people that have been suffering through .7004 since launch. It's real sweet of them.

    @PeteC - http://forums.windowscentral.com/sam...-keyboard.html

    If anyone else needs me to, let me know and I'll gladly link you to threads or blog posts on this very website in reference to any of the issues I stated. If you'd rather I didn't, the search button is at the top right of the page. There's nothing in that list that other people aren't complaining about... and the sad part is, that doesn't even involve my biggest issue with Microsoft's ecosystem, which is their astoundingly horrible practices and policies regarding how devices get linked to your Live ID and how everytime you do a wipe of your device, it shows up as a new (added) device to your Live (Xbox/Zune) account... but that's for another thread entirely.

    This is my 2nd Focus, I've used a Quantum for a week, and tested all of these on an HD7. It's not a hardware issue, it's a software issue.
    That is really weird about the virtual keyboard because I have read mostly glowing reviews of it before I bought my device. I honestly love the keyboard. While it may be a software issue, it might be due to installing loads of apps or something else...perhaps using the device over a long period of time and things start to crop up. Maybe in a few months the thing will start lagging up on me as well like an old installation of Windows running on a fragmented hard disk. I can't say as I have only had my Focus for just over a month. No Zune music skipping (even with music purchased from the phone), no screen lock issues, no Xbox Live crashes, no crashes really at all except for marketplace. iOS apps crashed far, far more often though they were higher overall in quality to those released so far on WP7 (Amazon being an exception...that is what all WP7 apps should be like).
    03-16-2011 02:25 PM
  9. kalldrexx's Avatar
    I have had the music skip (or pause is more like it) issue.
    03-16-2011 02:39 PM
  10. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Yeah I don't have any of the issues mentioned on that list, I own an HD7 on T-Mobile. The only issue I cannot verify through my device is the Zune pass issue since I own all my favorite music (which is a pretty substantial collection) and to discover new music I like using last.fm or any other online radio app like it. The keyboard love the freakin keyboard it NEVER lags even when intentionally trying to slow it down by typing like I'm on speed+crack+crystal meth at the same time while knowing our planets deadline was tomorrow and I had the ability to do something about it with my phone lol... Still no lag.
    03-16-2011 02:49 PM
  11. spitothec's Avatar
    That is really weird about the virtual keyboard because I have read mostly glowing reviews of it before I bought my device. I honestly love the keyboard. While it may be a software issue, it might be due to installing loads of apps or something else...perhaps using the device over a long period of time and things start to crop up. Maybe in a few months the thing will start lagging up on me as well like an old installation of Windows running on a fragmented hard disk. I can't say as I have only had my Focus for just over a month. No Zune music skipping (even with music purchased from the phone), no screen lock issues, no Xbox Live crashes, no crashes really at all except for marketplace. iOS apps crashed far, far more often though they were higher overall in quality to those released so far on WP7 (Amazon being an exception...that is what all WP7 apps should be like).
    Don't get me wrong, like most things about the OS, I absolutely LOVE it 95% of the time. If MS would fix the lag issues that I (and other people) are experiencing, it would easily be the best virtual keyboard on the market.. but that's the story of the OS. Almost everything about the phone is a patch or two away from being the best thing on the market.

    As far as the music skipping, it seems to only be music that is being "rented" via the Zune service. It has got to be something to do with the DRM in the Zune software, because all of my previously owned MP3's play smooth as butter.
    03-16-2011 03:18 PM
  12. Pete C's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong, like most things about the OS, I absolutely LOVE it 95% of the time. If MS would fix the lag issues that I (and other people) are experiencing, it would easily be the best virtual keyboard on the market.. but that's the story of the OS. Almost everything about the phone is a patch or two away from being the best thing on the market.

    As far as the music skipping, it seems to only be music that is being "rented" via the Zune service. It has got to be something to do with the DRM in the Zune software, because all of my previously owned MP3's play smooth as butter.
    Ahhh...so it's the Zune Pass downloads that you get each month. Those must be different from the paid versions that cost .99 - 1.29 each. I was thinking that you were supposed to be able to keep those even if you ditched Zune Pass.
    03-16-2011 03:26 PM
  13. gibbyhome's Avatar
    It Doesen't sound like you like it 95% of the time its more like 2% I don't think you have said 2 good things about the OS..


    Don't get me wrong, like most things about the OS, I absolutely LOVE it 95% of the time. If MS would fix the lag issues that I (and other people) are experiencing, it would easily be the best virtual keyboard on the market.. but that's the story of the OS. Almost everything about the phone is a patch or two away from being the best thing on the market.

    As far as the music skipping, it seems to only be music that is being "rented" via the Zune service. It has got to be something to do with the DRM in the Zune software, because all of my previously owned MP3's play smooth as butter.
    03-16-2011 03:27 PM
  14. foosball's Avatar
    mgarcia- Completely out of curiosity, what do you mean that you are scared with HP plans for webOS?
    03-16-2011 03:28 PM
  15. Averry's Avatar


    tech enthusiasts are not enough of the market, if it was then winmo wouldn't have failed. Why are you trying to talk your mom into a phone she doesn't want? Apparently she's smart enough to know that wp7 won't meet her needs. Apparently you didn't realize that for yourself.
    That's inflammatory...really.

    Tell me......would you seriously be completely satisfied with your phone if it remains COMPLETELY unchanged for 2 years?

    HOW IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND!? That somebody, such as myself, would love to go head over heals for WP7 for the UI, Zune, and Xbox Live services at the sacrifice of a plethora of utilities, would demand for WP7 to A. Catch Up (which Microsoft needs to do anyways) B. Complete on the promises that they presented.
    03-16-2011 03:29 PM
  16. wheelerk's Avatar
    What promises are you referring to?

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    03-16-2011 05:12 PM
  17. Averry's Avatar
    That they would continue to reward their customers with additional value through updates. Everyone knows its a give and take, but their languishing.

    I mean this OS could be so close to perfect, why are you so okay with mediocrity?
    Verizon Hopeful likes this.
    03-16-2011 05:18 PM
  18. Exomondo's Avatar
    Unless noted otherwise, I have seen all of the following bugs occur on my Focus, my girlfriend's Quantum, and a coworker's HD7.
    Get your terminology right, it seems you don't even know what a 'bug' is becaust most of your list isn't bugs and some aren't even OS-related (which is necessary given that you are using this list to justify your comment that the OS is 'broken').

    3. AT&T apps - usually just launchers for AT&T's website
    Not an OS issue.

    4. Calculator - I guess you got me there.
    List filler?

    6. Camera - Do I even need to start? What a joke.
    Not a bug.

    7. Hotmail - One of the better parts of the phone, but horrid multiple folder management, unability to mark spam, no option to auto show pictures, and horrible attachment management
    Not a bug.

    8. Internet Explorer - slow, bugged, crashes, broken. I've heard some people haven't experienced this. I'm not sure if you're blind or a liar, but either way, good for you. IE has been a scrapheap of garbage on every WP7 device I touch.
    You could have very easily been specific about this and qualified your position, but you chose not to. In any case there are websites that can crash pretty much any browser (mobile safari in particular) so being vague like that doesn't give you credibility.

    9. Maps - I don't know if this is on Samsung or Microsoft, but it can't find me to save it's life.
    Device-specific issue, i don't have that problem, maps work great.

    11. Messaging - The single biggest problem I have with messaging is how slow and laggy the virtual keyboard is.
    Every now and then there is a bit of lag but only if im typing into a text field while a page is loading, exactly the same as in iOS and Android.

    13. Office - I just have one word - Skydrive. Ugh.
    Not a bug, feature request.

    14. People - Randomly deletes off of my start page. Randomly deletes pictures. No auto update for people feed. Randomly un-links multiple entries. Broken.
    Never seen this on my omnia7.

    15. Phone - Biggest problem here is that no one seems to be able to make a headset with a microphone that works properly.
    Not a bug, probably not even OS-related.

    16. Pictures - Eh, looks like that's #2 bug free.. but with the b*ner that Belfiore gets over his pictures hub, this is to be expected. If only everything else worked this smoothly.
    List filler?

    18. It's almost Q2 2011 and I can't choose my own ringtone.
    Again, not a bug.

    19. Xbox crashes about 50% of the time I launch it.
    Never seen that on my omnia7, xbox always launches with no problems.

    20. Finally, Settings - settings is probably the worst one of the bunch, because there aren't any. the sheer, undeniable, mind-blowing LACK of switches and buttons available to us in the settings is frightening.. The settings page makes iOS feel like an open-sourced software. It's bad. Worst part of WP7.
    Yet again, not a bug. That sounds like an 'i want more things'.

    In all your list of things to justify your claim that WP7 is 'broken' is certainly no more than any other mobile OS.
    03-16-2011 05:22 PM
  19. Averry's Avatar
    So, did you just gloss over a bunch of stuff the phone should have anyways just to say he doesn't know the meaning of the word bug or what?

    We would like to see some competitive edge to Microsoft here, some aggression.....not just casually humming along like the entire future of computing doesn't depend on it.

    Which it DOES by the way.
    03-16-2011 07:11 PM
  20. Exomondo's Avatar
    So, did you just gloss over a bunch of stuff the phone should have anyways just to say he doesn't know the meaning of the word bug or what?
    No, i thought it was pretty clear that i specifically pointed out the things that he referred to as 'bugs' are not bugs. There are plenty of features that I would like in the OS, and indeed in any of the mobile OSes, however the lack of them doesn't make it 'broken'.
    03-16-2011 07:19 PM
  21. Averry's Avatar
    No, i thought it was pretty clear that i specifically pointed out the things that he referred to as 'bugs' are not bugs. There are plenty of features that I would like in the OS, and indeed in any of the mobile OSes, however the lack of them doesn't make it 'broken'.
    For me personally...I don't even have a phone yet....for reasons I've stated plenty of times.

    I can't say whether or not the phone even has bugs. I'm confident enough that I'd enjoy using it that I'm waiting for the Trophy and/or AT&T to move into my area.

    But I do know that I will only be buying a device on the assumption that Mango is implemented in some what of a timely manner....hopefully by the end of the year as they've said that they'd like to hit it by. But the more they bundle this update....the less promising it seems that this OS has a lively and long future.

    Mango is really, for the most part putting WP7 at feature parity, never mind what Google or Apple adds to their respective OS's come this summer's Google i/o and iPhone 5 launch.
    03-16-2011 07:36 PM
  22. Exomondo's Avatar
    But I do know that I will only be buying a device on the assumption that Mango is implemented in some what of a timely manner....hopefully by the end of the year as they've said that they'd like to hit it by. But the more they bundle this update....the less promising it seems that this OS has a lively and long future.
    Remembering this is the first functionality update, i'm sure they want to get it right. It's highly unlikely the same team responsible for developing Mango is being held up by the testing/deployment of this update.
    Yes this update is a few weeks late, but that doesn't necessarily mean their whole schedule is thrown off or anything like that.
    03-16-2011 07:58 PM
  23. Luisraul924's Avatar
    Remembering this is the first functionality update, i'm sure they want to get it right. It's highly unlikely the same team responsible for developing Mango is being held up by the testing/deployment of this update.
    Yes this update is a few weeks late, but that doesn't necessarily mean their whole schedule is thrown off or anything like that.
    Microsoft already confirmed this themselves, this delay will not be affecting the release of mango.
    03-17-2011 01:30 AM
  24. wheelerk's Avatar
    I
    That they would continue to reward their customers with additional value through updates. Everyone knows its a give and take, but their languishing.

    I mean this OS could be so close to perfect, why are you so okay with mediocrity?
    Its only been 5 Months. New features are coming.

    Sent from my Samsung Focus using Board Express
    03-17-2011 06:10 AM
  25. spitothec's Avatar
    hey averry, I'm driving but find the podcast "windows weekly" episode 199 and fast forward to 34 minutes. id copy and paste a link but....
    03-17-2011 08:34 AM
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