08-17-2011 08:54 AM
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  1. theefman's Avatar
    Like it or not, that's the world we live in. You cant fault them for wanting to protect their own backside. Patent warfare is ugly and it's only gonna get worse. Until there is reform, Google needs its own arsenal to fight back.
    No problem with them protecting their interests but they shouldnt have used others IP in android and then not pay. They then try and claim patents are bad before going on to be a hypocrite by buying Moto for their patents.

    Buying patents to defend themselves doesnt change the fact that they are using stolen IP in android, just makes them less likely to be sued for it.
    08-15-2011 01:27 PM
  2. HeyCori's Avatar
    Like it or not, that's the world we live in. You cant fault them for wanting to protect their own backside. Patent warfare is ugly and it's only gonna get worse. Until there is reform, Google needs its own arsenal to fight back.
    I think "fighting back" is the wrong way to look at the situation. Licensing agreements are old fair. Tech companies have been signing them for a long time. However, with Android, Google thinks they're the exception to the rule. As we've seen with HTC and Samsung, Microsoft clearly has patents that are necessary to Android and all Micorsoft wants are licensing fees, the same as would be expected from any company. Saying Google is fighting back is like saying the thief wants to change the laws so it's easier for him to break into your house.
    08-15-2011 01:35 PM
  3. L3vi's Avatar
    The primary purpose of this deal was for acquiring patents. They probably started talking about making this deal as soon as the lawsuits from Apple and MS started coming. It is likely that they actually had a strong chance of winning many of the suits because Google's portfolio was so weak.

    Secondary reasons, Motorola has been slowly losing profits and their phones have not been selling too well. HTC and Samsung has been murdering them.

    I have to say Google's new business strategy seems to be a winner:

    1. Steal IP from other companies
    2. Publish it as "open source"
    3. Distribute said "open source" technologies through Android to manufacturers
    4. Manufacturers make phones
    5. Rake in money from ads and data mining
    6. Manufacturers get sued over stolen IP, lose money
    7. Buy manufacturer that is now swamped in lawsuits and in decline
    8. ???
    9. PROFIT

    =P
    08-15-2011 01:37 PM
  4. Rico's Avatar
    Depending on the hardware of the W8 tablets, I might get one. If the hardware is meh, I'm probably just going to get the next generation Blackberry Playbook.
    I'm calling it now -- I'll take a Windows 8 tablet at launch over whatever Playbook is available when Windows 8 tablets are available. The Playbook is a great piece of hardware; I love the feel of it, and the OS itself works pretty well but I'm not confident it'll get a good selection of apps, especially compared to Windows 8. Using Windows Phone 7 as in indicator, we'll probably see W8 apps before the OS launches. There'll also be dozens of OEMs making W8 tablets, so there should be something I'll like.
    08-15-2011 01:42 PM
  5. threed61's Avatar
    Having tried both Android and WP7, I very much prefer the later. It us nonetheless funny to hear Apple and Microsoft complaining about others stealing their IP considering how they acquired their own. And when you call Google evil, remember that a lot more people say the same about MS and their Windows monopoly. (I think its wrong on both counts). Android (while kinda clunky and ugly),has been good for smartphone innovation, and too many patent claims are nonsense. Especially Apple's. (an injunction based on a napkin drawing)?
    08-15-2011 01:54 PM
  6. HeyCori's Avatar
    Especially Apple's. (an injunction based on a napkin drawing)?
    Try reading a patent. They're pages long and highly specific.
    08-15-2011 01:57 PM
  7. eragle's Avatar
    As someone who has had both a Droid Pro and X2, I don't think W7 is missing anything by not having a Moto-made handset.
    08-15-2011 02:16 PM
  8. threed61's Avatar
    I'd prefer the patent office would read more of them, and not grant so many.
    08-15-2011 02:22 PM
  9. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I wonder how many people commenting on the patent lawsuits going on really have any type of clue what's going on. Google is no more/less evil than any other big business. Including MS, Apple, Exxon...well maybe Exxon is in a class of it's own, but you get the picture.
    08-15-2011 04:18 PM
  10. 3migo's Avatar
    I'm calling it now -- I'll take a Windows 8 tablet at launch over whatever Playbook is available when Windows 8 tablets are available. The Playbook is a great piece of hardware; I love the feel of it, and the OS itself works pretty well but I'm not confident it'll get a good selection of apps, especially compared to Windows 8. Using Windows Phone 7 as in indicator, we'll probably see W8 apps before the OS launches. There'll also be dozens of OEMs making W8 tablets, so there should be something I'll like.
    The Playbook is about to get a whole lot of apps come the fall, when Blackberry is going to release the Android-app marketplace onto the Playbook, giving BB users access to all the Android apps.

    And while I am confident in W8 software to be far better than QNX, I just hope that Microsoft makes their own tablet, instead of relying on other RTM's to fulfill their expectations. MS makes great hardware, all of the Zunes were awesome, I don't know why MS is refusing to make a nice solid build off of their own software.
    08-15-2011 04:23 PM
  11. theefman's Avatar
    The Playbook is about to get a whole lot of apps come the fall, when Blackberry is going to release the Android-app marketplace onto the Playbook, giving BB users access to all the Android apps.

    And while I am confident in W8 software to be far better than QNX, I just hope that Microsoft makes their own tablet, instead of relying on other RTM's to fulfill their expectations. MS makes great hardware, all of the Zunes were awesome, I don't know why MS is refusing to make a nice solid build off of their own software.
    If this is a taste of what to expect from Windows 8 applications Get a taste of how Windows 8 Tablet applications will look like | MobileTechWorld the number of apps for android or the playbook will be irrelevant.
    08-15-2011 04:28 PM
  12. L3vi's Avatar
    I wonder how many people commenting on the patent lawsuits going on really have any type of clue what's going on. Google is no more/less evil than any other big business. Including MS, Apple, Exxon...well maybe Exxon is in a class of it's own, but you get the picture.
    Did someone say Google was more "evil" than other companies? All corporations have shady business, but we are just discussing Google's acquisition of Motorola, which IMO is a smart move given the legal blitz they have encountered, but may not be too profitable in the long run.
    08-15-2011 04:40 PM
  13. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    "If just for the patents. Google is one of the most evils companies in the world."
    Did someone say Google was more "evil" than other companies? All corporations have shady business, but we are just discussing Google's acquisition of Motorola, which IMO is a smart move given the legal blitz they have encountered, but may not be too profitable in the long run.
    Yes some one did.
    08-15-2011 04:46 PM
  14. L3vi's Avatar
    "If just for the patents. Google is one of the most evils companies in the world."

    Yes some one did.
    Aah, didn't catch that post. Well then, carry on.
    08-15-2011 04:51 PM
  15. 3migo's Avatar
    If this is a taste of what to expect from Windows 8 applications Get a taste of how Windows 8 Tablet applications will look like | MobileTechWorld the number of apps for android or the playbook will be irrelevant.
    I love the app development there, it looks amazing, however I definitely would not buy a W8 tablet made by HP.
    08-15-2011 05:27 PM
  16. HeyCori's Avatar
    I love the app development there, it looks amazing, however I definitely would not buy a W8 tablet made by HP.
    If there were two companies I'd be fearful of buying a Win 8 tablet it from its Dell and Acer. I'm looking forward to whatever Samsung puts out. In the past few years Samsung has released some jaw dropping hardware. The GF's recent laptop is a Samsung. Considering it was only 700 bucks I find the hardware quality to be much better than other laptops in that price range.
    08-15-2011 05:45 PM
  17. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I just want to know is, why is all these big wigs sue happy now. I don't remember seeing all these lawsuits being flung around like this 5 years ago. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention.
    08-15-2011 05:54 PM
  18. HeyCori's Avatar
    If this goes through then Google will really be in trouble.

    Majority of Android OEM's lose Linux distribution rights - Neowin.net
    08-15-2011 06:11 PM
  19. HeyCori's Avatar
    I just want to know is, why is all these big wigs sue happy now. I don't remember seeing all these lawsuits being flung around like this 5 years ago. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention.
    Probably because this is the first time a "free" operating system has openly violated software patents AND gained mass market appeal.
    08-15-2011 06:13 PM
  20. Premium1's Avatar
    If just for the patents. Google is one of the most evils companies in the world.
    How are they evil?? Because they want to protect their OEM's from the patent trolls like apple and MS?
    08-15-2011 07:00 PM
  21. Rico's Avatar
    Regarding the "evil company" issue, companies in general aren't evil. Amoral, sure, but not evil. They're living entities that exist to be increasingly profitable and increase their scope... to be increasingly profitable.

    The Playbook is about to get a whole lot of apps come the fall, when Blackberry is going to release the Android-app marketplace onto the Playbook, giving BB users access to all the Android apps.

    And while I am confident in W8 software to be far better than QNX, I just hope that Microsoft makes their own tablet, instead of relying on other RTM's to fulfill their expectations. MS makes great hardware, all of the Zunes were awesome, I don't know why MS is refusing to make a nice solid build off of their own software.
    I'll admit that I haven't kept up on Blackberry development, so my views on it are definitely ignorant. But the idea that RIM is officially releasing a marketplace to use a competing platform's apps (even if they are recompiled) basically highlights their inability to attract developers to QNX. What's going to separate this from being just another Android device in the eyes of the consumer? The wealth of native Playbook apps?

    Windows 8 interests me because it's an extension of Metro UI and they even managed to add a bit of windowing in which'll be very useful for me. And you know it'll have developer support. I can't wait to see what Adobe brings to the table, or even better the next startup that's aiming for the same market as Adobe. I love the idea that, if I need it, the trusty ol' explorer is underneath. Hopefully I don't have to switch sessions or whatever to access it. I love that I can run some of the same apps I run on my desktop on Windows 8, so there's less need to hunt for new apps to do what you already know how to do.

    And Microsoft doesn't make hardware largely because they don't want to do what Google's very likely going to do -- compete with their partners. Producing both the software and hardware would allow Google to produce their ideal vision of what an Android phone should be, to the dismay of their partners, no, licensees. Google hasn't formally announced that they'll be producing phones via Motorola Mobility, but if they don't I'd be shocked.
    08-15-2011 07:03 PM
  22. Dave Blake's Avatar
    I'm glad Google is buying Motorola I think this will go a long way to getting other phone manufacturers to get heavier in to Windows Phone. I might be a tab bayous here but I like Windows Phone I and betting this platform really grows over the next couple of years. If Google keeps making decisions like this one Android wont be as hard to beat.
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    08-15-2011 08:52 PM
  23. Premium1's Avatar
    I'm glad Google is buying Motorola I think this will go a long way to getting other phone manufacturers to get heavier in to Windows Phone. I might be a tab bayous here but I like Windows Phone I and betting this platform really grows over the next couple of years. If Google keeps making decisions like this one Android wont be as hard to beat.
    Ha this may be one of the most ill advised things I think I have heard. They got patents to protect their partners. All MS cares about is making money off of android. It's sad when you make more money off of another OS then you do your own. I hope mango is all it is said to be otherwise it may be a little to late for MS. They need to step up in the hardware dept. The unsuspecting consumer goes with what has the most advertising and the things that set it apart. MS is just lagging in that area especially with no advertising.
    08-15-2011 09:08 PM
  24. Averry's Avatar
    Ha this may be one of the most ill advised things I think I have heard. They got patents to protect their partners. All MS cares about is making money off of android. It's sad when you make more money off of another OS then you do your own. I hope mango is all it is said to be otherwise it may be a little to late for MS. They need to step up in the hardware dept. The unsuspecting consumer goes with what has the most advertising and the things that set it apart. MS is just lagging in that area especially with no advertising.

    It's more complicated than that. If you've listened to any of the WP Central podcasts (which you should have) this would have been explained to you, but should be a no brainer if you follow this industry at all.

    Google gives it away for free and that's why so many vendors use it. Without a license fee to pay on 30 million phones, your margin is obviously much better. It's harder for Microsoft to convince vendors to license their burgeoning, less profitable OS.

    This, in effect, is Microsoft proving that Android is not free, it's infringing on intellectual property, and it's not the slam dunk Google thought it was.

    Also, remember the Oracle lawsuits are actually COPYRIGHT lawsuits on actual used code. These Motorola patents won't do anything for them.

    Apple was already suing Motorola anyways. Microsoft was already suing Motorola anyways.

    I'm not at all even sure what the **** this was for. This isn't gonna scare off the big dogs.
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    08-16-2011 10:32 PM
  25. UpTownDC's Avatar
    When Google "gave away" their OS for free to the OEM's...the OEM's where the ones being sued by Apple and Microsoft. If this purchase is approved that in fact means Google not only makes the hardware but OWNS the OS. The "bread crumbs" lead right back to Google for infringing on IP's. Bad business move on Google's part. The lawsuits will now land directly at Google's feet.
    08-17-2011 08:54 AM
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