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  1. ninjaap's Avatar
    Is that Aaron Sanchez from the food network?
    02-05-2012 11:55 AM
  2. Duvi's Avatar
    Batteries had a charge limit or something I heard. So it shouldn't matter if you make a quick charge or a long one. It still going to die after a certain time.
    Exactly, but being at 100% and continuing to charge it, reduces that. So for example, if you battery has 100 cycles before it craps out or starts to... continuing to charge it will help get it there faster than not charging all the way.

    If I can find this podcast I listened to about this, from a battery expert, I'd post it up. Good info on that.

    /me heads to find the podcast
    02-05-2012 12:43 PM
  3. ninjaap's Avatar
    So I guess it's a bad idea to sync your phone with PC if you still have a full charge? Or even yet, it's a really bad idea to wirelessly sync your phone, because MS states that we have to have it plugged in to the wall to do that.

    I don't think so. Your battery is going to die within 2 years, regardless how you charge it. Think of a battery that has been sitting on the shelf, unbought, unused. Would you buy a 2 year old battery? It's going to deteriorate, even with absolutely no charging cycle.
    02-05-2012 01:00 PM
  4. canesfan625's Avatar
    Exactly, but being at 100% and continuing to charge it, reduces that. So for example, if you battery has 100 cycles before it craps out or starts to... continuing to charge it will help get it there faster than not charging all the way.

    If I can find this podcast I listened to about this, from a battery expert, I'd post it up. Good info on that.

    /me heads to find the podcast
    It shouldn't work like that. The charger should close the circuit at a certain point. You don't want to leave it charging 24x7 esp if you are using it because parasitic charge. that it stresses and cycles the battery.

    its about how much time you spend doing it. Also, blanket statements of only getting two years is subjective. I'm willing to bet im not the only person that's gotten more than two years off a battery
    Last edited by Canesfan625; 02-05-2012 at 01:12 PM.
    02-05-2012 01:06 PM
  5. palandri's Avatar
    Exactly, but being at 100% and continuing to charge it, reduces that. So for example, if you battery has 100 cycles before it craps out or starts to... continuing to charge it will help get it there faster than not charging all the way.

    If I can find this podcast I listened to about this, from a battery expert, I'd post it up. Good info on that.

    /me heads to find the podcast
    Duvi, I am sure you're right for optimum battery life. Myself, the convenience is important, I am going plug my phone in every night and let it charge overnight. If I need a new battery after 6 month or a year, it's no big deal to me.
    02-05-2012 01:09 PM
  6. Duvi's Avatar
    It shouldn't work like that. The charger should close the circuit at a certain point. You don't want to leave it charging 24x7 esp if you are using it because parasitic charge. that it stresses and cycles the battery.

    its about how much time you spend doing it. Also, blanket statements of only getting two years is subjective. I'm willing to bet im not the only person that's gotten more than two years off a battery
    Found the podcast. One of the moderators at TiPb.com runs this site.

    http://justanothergeeksite.com/2010/...ks-into-a-bar/
    02-05-2012 02:41 PM
  7. Duvi's Avatar
    Found the podcast. One of the moderators at TiPb.com runs this site.

    http://justanothergeeksite.com/2010/...ks-into-a-bar/
    At the 7:30 mark is when they start talking about it. The guest does charge it overnight, but listening to it, if you don't have to, don't.

    He says the same thing with laptops.
    02-05-2012 02:50 PM
  8. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    At the 7:30 mark is when they start talking about it. The guest does charge it overnight, but listening to it, if you don't have to, don't.

    He says the same thing with laptops.
    I listened to part of it, now my question is why is keeping it at 100% stressful to the battery?

    Also, for the rest of you guys I read here:

    How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

    That says that partial charges are better for Lithium Ion batteries. You'll get more life out of your battery that way than if you were to always fully discharge, then fully charge your batteries.
    02-05-2012 03:35 PM
  9. Big Supes's Avatar
    I completely destroyed my last laptop battery by fully discharging, then fully charging it. I won't be doing that again. My current laptop, granted - probably has a higher quality battery, but after 18 months, it still gives out a good 3+ hours life when on the move. I've been keeping this laptop (like my phone) fully charged when I can.

    It's quite a norm thing for me to charge my phone, either in the car, when I get home, or go to bed.
    02-05-2012 03:50 PM
  10. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I completely destroyed my last laptop battery by fully discharging, then fully charging it. I won't be doing that again. My current laptop, granted - probably has a higher quality battery, but after 18 months, it still gives out a good 3+ hours life when on the move. I've been keeping this laptop (like my phone) fully charged when I can.

    It's quite a norm thing for me to charge my phone, either in the car, when I get home, or go to bed.
    I've also destroyed a laptop battery by leaving it plugged in all the time like the dude said not to do. I mean, the good quality chargers are smart enough to stop charging when the battery is full, but I still can't figure out why keeping your battery plugged in and the 95-100% range all the time is bad for battery life.
    02-05-2012 04:02 PM
  11. canesfan625's Avatar
    I've also destroyed a laptop battery by leaving it plugged in all the time like the dude said not to do. I mean, the good quality chargers are smart enough to stop charging when the battery is full, but I still can't figure out why keeping your battery plugged in and the 95-100% range all the time is bad for battery life.
    Keeping it plugged in is bad because you are confusing the charger. It creates a set of conditions where the charger will essentially keep the phone in a continued state of charge. 95-100% is bad because high voltage kills batteries. Keep in mind though that just because your phone says 100% that doesnt necessarily mean the battery is. Some devices purposely report different %s to prevent this kind of thing.
    02-05-2012 04:17 PM
  12. Big Supes's Avatar
    The other morning the green LED was on (full battery signal on HD7) after it had been plugged in all night, but the battery indicator was showing around 85%. Weird.
    02-05-2012 04:31 PM
  13. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Keeping it plugged in is bad because you are confusing the charger. It creates a set of conditions where the charger will essentially keep the phone in a continued state of charge. 95-100% is bad because high voltage kills batteries. Keep in mind though that just because your phone says 100% that doesnt necessarily mean the battery is. Some devices purposely report different %s to prevent this kind of thing.
    Okay that makes sense then. The article I linked to earlier was talking about voltage vs capacity vs battery longevity.
    02-05-2012 04:38 PM
  14. kevm14's Avatar
    Would you buy a 2 year old battery? It's going to deteriorate, even with absolutely no charging cycle.
    This. Li-Ion is particularly susceptible to this. The best thing for a Li-Ion is what the Chevy Volt does - keep it climate controlled and manage the charge and discharge level. That is too impractical for a phone, so just use it.

    Also, for storage, they say somewhere around 40% SoC is best. So keeping them at 100% is surely not good for life. But what are you going to do...it's a phone. Not worth jumping through hoops to make a $35 battery last 4 years instead of 2.
    02-05-2012 09:01 PM
  15. WindowsPhoneBoard.com's Avatar
    Overnight charge is not healty for your phone. Well if you are someone like me who upgrades phone everyyear so i wouldnt care to protect battery
    02-07-2012 10:45 AM
  16. btbam91's Avatar
    I definitely charge it overnight because it's so convenient. Got a 20+ hour charge on my Focus S so I'm happy.
    palandri likes this.
    02-07-2012 10:49 AM
  17. palandri's Avatar
    I definitely charge it overnight because it's so convenient. Got a 20+ hour charge on my Focus S so I'm happy.
    That's the key word. It's the same thing that I do.
    02-07-2012 11:12 AM
  18. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    That's the key word. It's the same thing that I do.
    I used to do that, but my Titan has such good battery life that I only need to charge it around an hour every night. Basically I'll start off with 95%-100%, then after 24 hours I'll be around 50%-70% depending on how much I used the phone. Then I charge it for around an hour, and it'll be 90%-95% charged, and that's more than enough charge to last me the day.
    02-07-2012 03:34 PM
  19. freestaterocker's Avatar
    The other morning the green LED was on (full battery signal on HD7) after it had been plugged in all night, but the battery indicator was showing around 85%. Weird.
    I notice this from time to time... A battery pull gets it back above 95%
    02-07-2012 05:14 PM
  20. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Exactly, but being at 100% and continuing to charge it, reduces that. So for example, if you battery has 100 cycles before it craps out or starts to... continuing to charge it will help get it there faster than not charging all the way.

    If I can find this podcast I listened to about this, from a battery expert, I'd post it up. Good info on that.

    /me heads to find the podcast
    The software prevents the phone from continuing to charge after it's full. This is why you can't have it off while charging.
    02-07-2012 05:17 PM
  21. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Besides which, if I didn't charge my HD7 at night it'd be useless. I don't think it would last more than 20 hours if I didn't touch it at all. I can kill it in 3 hours if I game or surf hard.
    02-07-2012 05:25 PM
  22. Reflexx's Avatar
    I take off my laptop battery if I'm going to work with it plugged in.

    As for my phone... well, I figure I'll have a new phone by the time this battery dies.
    02-07-2012 05:31 PM
  23. ninjaap's Avatar
    I take off my laptop battery if I'm going to work with it plugged in.

    As for my phone... well, I figure I'll have a new phone by the time this battery dies.
    Isn't that a bad thing for electronic devices? Devices are designed with batteries in mind and removing it could overload the hardware. Or so I've read.
    02-07-2012 05:35 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    Isn't that a bad thing for electronic devices? Devices are designed with batteries in mind and removing it could overload the hardware. Or so I've read.
    I suppose that's very possible.

    My laptop's screen did just go black and stop working. hmm...

    I just got it repaired yesterday.

    Maybe I should keep that battery in there. lol
    02-07-2012 05:53 PM
  25. kylej1050's Avatar
    You only run into issues with laptop batteries when you leave it plugged in like a desktop for weeks and months on end, which I know a lot of people have done and still do. I tell them to take it off the charger once or twice a week and run it down. It's worked for a few years for my mom.

    My phones always get an overnight charge. My old Motorola did it for 4 years and never had issues.
    02-07-2012 06:46 PM
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