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  1. the_tyrant's Avatar
    To be honest, I was never not satisfied with my 96dpi screen

    higher resolution = more pixels that need to be pushed
    I remember being about to play crysis on max back in the day simply because my screen was 1440*900

    I prefer better graphics to better resolution any day
    04-30-2012 06:03 AM
  2. AngryNil's Avatar
    That's your own straw man argument.
    I felt like stopping here. There's a simple fact that some people on the Internet need to understand - labelling an opposing view as a straw man, ad hominem, fanboy or troll comment does not win you any points. Let me refer you to the thread post:
    They want a screen 1280x720 pixels and this on a 4-5inch screen!
    This has nothing to do with experience over specs. The OP did not talk about the drawbacks of a higher resolution display on performance, so I think it's safe to assume the point was that these specs aren't needed.

    And I'm saying that not needing it is a moot point.


    I prefer better graphics to better resolution any day
    Absolutely agreed. I can't play my games with decent settings on my 1080p monitor, so I rather use the 1366x768 laptop screen.

    However, this thread is double-edged. You bring in gaming - Windows Phone unfortunately does not have the sheer processing muscle to produce incredible graphics without any issues. The Harvest stutters when I use my power-up. A lot of games have low quality textures for the environments.
    04-30-2012 07:03 AM
  3. HeyCori's Avatar
    I felt like stopping here. There's a simple fact that some people on the Internet need to understand - labelling an opposing view as a straw man, ad hominem, fanboy or troll comment does not win you any points. Let me refer you to the thread post:
    Me: People have different opinions
    (you follow with)
    You: Higher specs are better

    Clearly a straw man argument because it had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. And if I may add, points that were from a non-spec related discussion that I was having with another poster. You used my post as a way to further your own argument even though we're clearly having two different discussions.
    04-30-2012 07:14 AM
  4. AngryNil's Avatar
    Me: People have different opinions
    (you follow with)
    You: Higher specs are better

    Clearly a straw man argument because it had nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. You used my post as a way to further your own argument even though we're clearly having two different discussions.
    OP essentially said "we don't need to move forwards with newer hardware"
    You were replying to cgk1's post, who is sharing my viewpoint

    My argument belongs in this thread. I really don't think I incorrectly quoted your post, because it wasn't even about people having a choice. It was a response to cgk1's post, who was saying that some people need to wake up and look at the competition. I totally understand the viewpoint of enjoying what you have, and being content in it. But at the same time, wouldn't you want something better, something competitive with the market leaders?

    I am not saying Windows Phone isn't currently competent, since Android has its kinks to work out (and Apple needs to work out how to move its platform forwards without alienating users). But it's the end-game if we continue as is.

    I honestly don't see how it is delusional to say that this platform needs to progress, and that everyone would benefit from performance improvements all-round. Look at this thread in context of the current stuff going on in the Windows Phone world, and the tech world in general. I get the overwhelming sense that the mindset of the OP is the kind of thinking that could get this platform in to a lot of trouble.

    If you disagree on my interpretation, fine. Don't call my arguments straw mans for the heck of it, though.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 04-30-2012 at 07:25 AM.
    04-30-2012 07:20 AM
  5. HeyCori's Avatar
    OP essentially said "we don't need to move forwards with newer hardware"
    You were replying to cgk1's post, who is sharing my viewpoint

    My argument belongs in this thread. I really don't think I incorrectly quoted your post, because it wasn't even about people having a choice. It was a borderline knee-jerk reaction to a perfectly reasonable argument, perhaps sans the distinction between fan and user.
    Whether or not cgk1 shares your view point is irrelevant because cgk1 and me were having a different discussion than the one you tried to force me into.

    This is me talking to cgk1
    There is no difference between a user and a fan. Trying to separate the two groups is meaningless.

    This is your reply to me
    It's a fact that higher resolution screens and better processors will improve the user experience.

    You may be on topic for the thread but your reply to me is not related to what I was discussing with cgk1.
    04-30-2012 07:30 AM
  6. AngryNil's Avatar
    Whether or not cgk1 shares your view point is irrelevant because cgk1 and me were having a different discussion than the one you tried to force me into.
    That was the subsequent train of thought, I was targeting a specific quote from you in the first reply you made to him. I was not forcing you into any argument - no one is required to respond to my posts - and quite frankly, your quote was just a nice opener.

    We were on the topic of how fans are obligated to stick to their guns and defend their platform, and that's good. I've defending Windows Phone plenty of times. But when you start bending the truth and crossing the line in order to justify your stance is when it gets messy. To twist the argument that cgk1 and I were in mutual agreement with into "everyone should care about what I think" was wrong and I originally called you out for it, but decided to edit my post in case I offended you.

    My whole argument is that Windows Phone is not as buttery-smooth as optimists have made it out to be, and there are rough edges. Specs do matter and aside from public perception, will help to solve these issues. You then state that the argument is simply one opinion (and go so far as to portray it as an outlier and something to be dismissed), yet I can't find a reasonable counter-argument to the assertion.
    04-30-2012 07:36 AM
  7. HeyCori's Avatar
    To twist the argument that cgk1 and I were in mutual agreement with into "everyone should care about what I think" was wrong and I originally called you out for it, but decided to edit my post in case I offended you.
    Sorry, but I wasn't trying to lump you and cgk1 together.
    04-30-2012 07:40 AM
  8. AngryNil's Avatar
    Sorry, but I wasn't trying to lump you and cgk1 together.
    Perhaps I greyed the line too much, you can disregard majority of that then (and have my apologies). The core argument was the same, and I'd like to see the justification of sidelining the importance of specs to the opinions of a select few.
    04-30-2012 07:43 AM
  9. HeyCori's Avatar
    Perhaps I greyed the line too much, you can disregard majority of that then (and have my apologies). The core argument was the same, and I'd like to see the justification of sidelining the importance of specs to the opinions of a select few.
    And just for the record, I do want to see higher specs come to WP because I want to take advantage of the extra horse power. I'm just keeping quiet about it because high end handsets are rumored to come in the fall and there's not much I can do about it between now and then.
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    04-30-2012 07:48 AM
  10. AngryNil's Avatar
    And just for the record, I do want to see higher specs come to WP because I want to take advantage of the extra horse power. I'm just keeping quiet about it because high end handsets are rumored to come in the fall and there's not much I can do about it between now and then.
    Fair enough, pardon me for the misunderstanding.
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    04-30-2012 07:50 AM
  11. jdevenberg's Avatar
    Quad Core? Don't care cause WP doesn't need it. High resolution, I want! I miss my iPhone 4's smoothness.
    04-30-2012 03:27 PM
  12. AngryNil's Avatar
    Quad Core? Don't care cause WP doesn't need it. High resolution, I want! I miss my iPhone 4's smoothness.
    Intel Medfield has proven that cores aren't everything - with one, it's holding its own against the top quad-core chips out there. However, it is important to remember that you will require better hardware to maintain the same level of performance at a higher display resolution, so they kind of go hand-in-hand.
    05-01-2012 04:42 AM
  13. madhouse1616's Avatar
    Intel Medfield has proven that cores aren't everything - with one, it's holding its own against the top quad-core chips out there. However, it is important to remember that you will require better hardware to maintain the same level of performance at a higher display resolution, so they kind of go hand-in-hand.
    very true but this certainly bodes well for the future...no cores aren't everything but upping the hardware specs

    1. keeps people employed (my personal favorite)

    2. allows developers to write more powerful program to take advantage

    3. allows MS to add addition features to do the same..making phones more unified to the desktop/laptop experience..I think the future is one platform many devices and you will certainly need this "in the future" but I certainly understand...its' not needed now
    05-02-2012 06:03 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Whoever said marketing hype = good call.

    I, like most users, need a phone that can run a few productive applications (games and video are NOT productive applications). Not a pocket mainframe. Same goes with tablets. I still do not get the latest tablet craze. I have yet to meet anyone carrying an IPad, etc that actually does anything useful with their devices.

    Now, about 10 years ago (maybe less) there were Windows XP tablets that you could really do stuff with.
    Although I have an Android 9.7" tablet for daily musings, I still use one of those XP tablets you mentioned every day. An HP TC1100 that does what NO current iOS, Android or webOS tablet can do: run an optical drive. Why you ask? In the construction industry most sets of plans are on CDs. Old timers like myself have not quite embraced the cloud. Besides, weak or no signal can render cloud service useless, and forget about wi-fi. The main drawback to these tablets is that most of them rely on Wacom-based stylii rather than finger input, but that's a minor inconvenience since I can just flip the keyboard out and I have a real small laptop at my disposal.
    05-02-2012 09:47 PM
  15. jeremyshaw's Avatar
    Im keeping this horridly useless phone specifically for its wonderful screen. Bad KB, bad camera, bad battery, bad UI, bad email client, bad speaker placement, but... the screen.... 1280*720 IPS pixels in RGB layout. There is just no compensating for that. No size, nor UI improvmemts will ever fully overcome pure, raw hardware. Just look at the iPhone. Generally okayish OS... but the HW always has a party piece somewhere, (i.e, 4S has the A5 chip!!).

    For the ~5 short hours of screen useage I can eek out of it per day, it's just wonderful.

    Sent from my LG-P930 using Tapatalk 2


    Edit: 5 hours is a bit optimistic, 2 hours and a song is more likely :(
    Last edited by jeremyshaw; 05-03-2012 at 11:50 AM.
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