05-17-2012 09:53 PM
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  1. kenzibit's Avatar
    So do we (WP OS) really need multiple cores? With the way the OS is running currently is just as smooth than any other OS. I really don't think WP needs multiple cores even with WP8 and I think the cores will only come out for marketing purposes and to battle the other phones on different OSs out there. I agree 100% with Elop and don't think WP needs it. But who knows, MS will by all means increase the OS power and apps that need multiple core will come out and with that, we have no choice than to stay with them. OSs get destroyed when multiple cores come in the picture and devices wouldn't be able to upgrade.....at least that's what I think. :)
    05-14-2012 02:31 PM
  2. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Games really don't require four cores to operate like that. The games you'd play on a phone should at most only require 2. Plus, with ICS isn't there some sort of graphics processor offloading involved? I would say if the quad core saves me battery life then by all means. But there aren't many quad core phones available now to prove the point. Do they get more juice than WP7 devices? If it's even equal, I'll be all for it.

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    05-14-2012 03:12 PM
  3. mud314's Avatar
    I really could care less about multi cores on a phone that already works blazingly fast. It's not android, where the OS does require extra power to run smooth. So if WP7/8 don't come with multi cores it's not going to affect my buying option. It's going to be down to Mfr: Nokia or HTC, in that order. Samsung can keep their phones. Just not a fan of their phones.
    05-14-2012 03:38 PM
  4. socialcarpet's Avatar
    So do we (WP OS) really need multiple cores? With the way the OS is running currently is just as smooth than any other OS. I really don't think WP needs multiple cores even with WP8 and I think the cores will only come out for marketing purposes and to battle the other phones on different OSs out there. I agree 100% with Elop and don't think WP needs it. But who knows, MS will by all means increase the OS power and apps that need multiple core will come out and with that, we have no choice than to stay with them. OSs get destroyed when multiple cores come in the picture and devices wouldn't be able to upgrade.....at least that's what I think. :)
    Supporting multiple core architectures will allow them to build more powerful features into the OS in future, like more robust multi-tasking for one example.

    But supporting multiple cores does not mean it would have to be a requirement to run the OS. Both iOS and Android OS's run on single core and multi-core processors.

    It's not going to lock anyone out of anything necessarily, but it is an evolutionary step that WP needs to take in order to stay competitive and be ready for more powerful apps and capability in the future which will require it.

    Eventually multiple core processors are going to be the standard so the sooner WP starts building the foundation for that future, the better.
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    05-14-2012 05:45 PM
  5. DanSmithKY's Avatar
    In addition to what others have said, as better chips come out they are made using smaller and smaller manufacturing processes which also helps with efficiency.

    Battery drain due to the processor depends on a huge amount of factors, and so it really isn't necessarily true to say that more cores = more battery drain.
    05-14-2012 07:56 PM
  6. Alex_Hong's Avatar
    I've always been a bit curious about battery vs multi cores. If you think about it. You need to carry a load of 20kilograms. Which will take more energy? Carrying it with 1 hand or 2? You can carry it for a longer period of time with 2 hands as compared to 1. Meaning it consumes less energy. Makes sense?
    05-14-2012 11:22 PM
  7. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I think WP doesn't "need" multi-cores,
    BUT, WP does "want" multi-cores : That will only to be to lure those developers, customers and say we have this too.

    Currently only thing that makes WP stand out is UI, OS-Integrations.
    With multi-cores, it will tick the boxes for "hardware as good as anything else"
    ..then... if..IF WP8 will bridge the gaps in features and add a few more exclusives, I don't see anything stopping WP this Christmas :)
    05-15-2012 01:00 AM
  8. tekhna's Avatar
    Given Nokia's present financial situation I'm not sure they could afford more than one core! ;)
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    05-15-2012 01:16 AM
  9. invertme's Avatar
    Given Nokia's present financial situation I'm not sure they could afford more than one core! ;)
    crickets...
    05-15-2012 07:40 AM
  10. HeyCori's Avatar
    lawlz
    05-15-2012 08:10 AM
  11. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Ya know, Nokia isn't broke. They may be dwindling a bit, but not broke. They were tops years ago and are still sitting on that money hoping for this Lumia line to rejuvenate their success. They can afford more cores. Can they afford to leave out multi-core smartphones, probably not.
    05-15-2012 08:14 AM
  12. mparker's Avatar
    I've always been a bit curious about battery vs multi cores. If you think about it. You need to carry a load of 20kilograms. Which will take more energy? Carrying it with 1 hand or 2? You can carry it for a longer period of time with 2 hands as compared to 1. Meaning it consumes less energy. Makes sense?
    No. It takes the same amount of energy whether you use one hand or two.
    05-15-2012 08:23 AM
  13. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Given Nokia's present financial situation I'm not sure they could afford more than one core! ;)
    05-15-2012 09:30 AM
  14. N8ter's Avatar
    1) Nokia doesn't get to choose the hardware for Windows Phone. OEMs are currently restricted to S2 Snapdragon SoCs, so this hardware choice has nothing to do with Nokia.
    Didn't the OEMs push Microsoft to support LTE before Apollo, when they were initially supposed to start supporting it?

    And if you seriously think an Exynos was two hummingbird cores bolted together (or 4 in the case of the quad), then I don't know how to respond to that last statement. Really, it's like saying a Core 2 Duo was 2 P4s bolted together. It just sounds ignorant.
    05-15-2012 10:02 AM
  15. cckgz4's Avatar
    While I've always said that dual cores or more of a battery strain, I still assumed companies would do it on windows phones. Especially the dwindling Nokia company. HTC and Samsung are reportedly doing it. Do you think this will be a bad move on Nokia? Do you think they will change their minds? Why hasn't someone figured out the secret to long battery life on multi cores? Won't this hinder some ability for better video capturing? Maybe they will be going for a faster single core. Who knows?!?!

    Article here:
    Nokia Will Not Have Multi-Core Windows Phones For Some Time - CEO States They Just Waste Batteries


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    Old interview and personally I'm not affected. It's a marketing ploy
    05-16-2012 12:58 AM
  16. cckgz4's Avatar
    So do we (WP OS) really need multiple cores? With the way the OS is running currently is just as smooth than any other OS. I really don't think WP needs multiple cores even with WP8 and I think the cores will only come out for marketing purposes and to battle the other phones on different OSs out there. I agree 100% with Elop and don't think WP needs it. But who knows, MS will by all means increase the OS power and apps that need multiple core will come out and with that, we have no choice than to stay with them. OSs get destroyed when multiple cores come in the picture and devices wouldn't be able to upgrade.....at least that's what I think. :)
    No but according to some, it's a necessity
    05-16-2012 01:06 AM
  17. AngryNil's Avatar
    What a stupid article. Since BGR ran it, I knew it was rubbish.

    Nokia's Windows Phones will feature dual-core ST-Ericsson U8500, says STMicroelectronics chief -- Engadget


    So do we (WP OS) really need multiple cores? With the way the OS is running currently is just as smooth than any other OS.
    Current hardware is underpowered and holding the platform back from graphically intensive gaming titles. N.O.V.A 3 and Shadowgun aren't possible on aged single-core chips, at least with the current development environment.

    But here's the real question - why limit yourself to matching the competition? Windows Phone does an admirable job with current hardware, why wouldn't you want an absolute beast of a multi-core machine? Next to instant loading times, killer graphics and gameplay, no disappearing content when you scroll too fast, buttery smooth scrolling in the more poorly coded apps, no lag when apps first load and are pulling in data?

    No OS needs multiple cores. Necessity is a silly argument.
    Last edited by AngryNil; 05-16-2012 at 02:07 AM.
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    05-16-2012 01:51 AM
  18. socialcarpet's Avatar
    No, Windows Phone doesn't need multiple cores to function, or even function well.

    What Windows Phone does need multiple cores for, is to compete with other phones. From a marketing standpoint, yes, but also because more features are added to phone OS's and developers are creating apps that can actually use more than one core.

    Windows Phone in it's current form wouldn't benefit from more cores at all. The OS can't use them and there are no apps written to take advantage of that architecture.

    But WP8 certainly will be designed to use multiple cores, which will mean much more robust multitasking will be possible, and we'll see more dynamic games and more sophisticated apps. Things like editing a video you made on the phone, or even editing photos, will be much faster and more powerful with multi-core processors on board.
    05-16-2012 10:06 AM
  19. kenzibit's Avatar
    What a stupid article. Since BGR ran it, I knew it was rubbish.

    Nokia's Windows Phones will feature dual-core ST-Ericsson U8500, says STMicroelectronics chief -- Engadget



    Current hardware is underpowered and holding the platform back from graphically intensive gaming titles. N.O.V.A 3 and Shadowgun aren't possible on aged single-core chips, at least with the current development environment.

    But here's the real question - why limit yourself to matching the competition? Windows Phone does an admirable job with current hardware, why wouldn't you want an absolute beast of a multi-core machine? Next to instant loading times, killer graphics and gameplay, no disappearing content when you scroll too fast, buttery smooth scrolling in the more poorly coded apps, no lag when apps first load and are pulling in data?

    No OS needs multiple cores. Necessity is a silly argument.

    Lol..take it easy bro ;)
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    05-16-2012 02:56 PM
  20. jaj324's Avatar
    I want a quad core, 2G RAM, 5.5" Super Amoled screen BEAST of a windows phone. No, I'm not kidding, I really do.
    05-16-2012 03:01 PM
  21. badMojo69's Avatar
    The phone seems to work fine with 1 core.
    05-16-2012 10:01 PM
  22. based_graham's Avatar
    WP8 will run on multiple cores

    dual cores will support a higher resolution etc single cores will stick to the resoution you have now. MS might limit how much apps you can run at the same time on a single core while adding more flexability on dual core devices.

    I expect Nokia and MS to really tweak WP8 to ensure the end user has a very pleasant experience so they will make it work.

    I also expect a Nokia Blackberry Styled WP8 device to come up maybe running Tango specs but of course with a lower resolution 480x480
    05-16-2012 10:14 PM
  23. ejb222's Avatar
    I say bring on the multi core processors...need is different than want...and how can anyone really say what Apollo needs if they haven't even seen it yet.
    05-17-2012 12:56 AM
  24. dameon_03's Avatar
    I'm interested in the idea and I'm anxious to see how ms implements the multi core in windows phone
    05-17-2012 09:53 PM
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