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  1. jtpcamp's Avatar
    An email today said that the top 10 flashlight apps on Google are malware so i was wondering if the app "Flashlight" by Smalltech is included in this. The article is found here http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q8xz8xKEFvU
    11-02-2014 03:59 PM
  2. Visa Declined's Avatar
    An email today said that the top 10 flashlight apps on Google are malware so i was wondering if the app "Flashlight" by Smalltech is included in this. The article is found here Cybersecurity Expert Gary Miliefsky - YouTube
    I watched the video, and checked out the app you are talking about. The guy in the video is spreading FUD, and I'll explain why.

    The app requires these permissions.

    full network access
    view network connections
    read Google service configuration
    control flashlight
    prevent device from sleeping

    It needs full network access because it's a free app, and it uses ads. Ads require network access. "Prevent device from sleeping" serves the purpose of keeping your screen from dimming while you're using the flashlight app.

    These jackasses in the media don't understand how tech works, and start crying OMG the app is phoning home and stealing your information!
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    11-02-2014 04:28 PM
  3. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    I watched the video, and checked out the app you are talking about. The guy in the video is spreading FUD, and I'll explain why.

    The app requires these permissions.

    full network access
    view network connections
    read Google service configuration
    control flashlight
    prevent device from sleeping

    It needs full network access because it's a free app, and it uses ads. Ads require network access. "Prevent device from sleeping" serves the purpose of keeping your screen from dimming while you're using the flashlight app.

    These jackasses in the media don't understand how tech works, and start crying OMG the app is phoning home and stealing your information!
    These security firms have mechanism in place to say if permissions required by any app could exploit your data. That don't mean they always exploit data but they can, if they wanted. They are not jack ***. They are showing us 2+2=4.
    11-02-2014 04:31 PM
  4. ratsttam's Avatar
    With the large amount of flashlight apps available, why choose one that even has ads?
    I found two that I really liked. The HTC one (if you've got an HTC windows phone), is ad free and fast. I found Flashlight XT (Elton Saul), which is also free, and doesn't have any ads. In fact, it doesn't even appear to need permissions beyond "camera".
    It's not the prettiest icon on my home screen, but I hit it, and the light turns on, which is after all, exactly ALL that a flashlight app should do :)

    Flashlight XT | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United States)
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    11-03-2014 08:25 AM
  5. jmshub's Avatar
    I agree completely. Flashlight XT has no bells or whistles. It is as simple as lighting your flash when you launch the app. No ads, no extraneous junk.
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    11-03-2014 08:31 AM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    It needs full network access because it's a free app, and it uses ads.

    These jackasses in the media don't understand how tech works, and start crying OMG the app is phoning home and stealing your information!
    You haven't explained anything either though. Apparently out of the blue, you've just decided that none of those top 10 flashlight apps could possibly be misusing their network access rights (officially for ads) to send data about you back home. It's your word against his, but the guest on this show is at least the CEO of an IT security firm who claims to have investigated this issue.

    Still, I also suspect that this report is highly exaggerating the privacy threat potential, (a) because no apps were named and (b) because it is in security firms best interest to do so (more business). However, it seems just as unreasonable to assume such privacy breaches don't exist at all. If I used an Android device as my daily driver, I'd certainly monitor my flashlight app's communications so I could be sure.
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-04-2014 at 12:33 AM. Reason: formatting
    11-03-2014 09:36 AM
  7. Visa Declined's Avatar
    You haven't explained anything either though. Apparently out of the blue, you've just decided
    It's pretty clear from your tone here, and the other post I made that you called "B.S." that you don't like me. There's nothing I can do about that, but it does kind of suck.
    11-03-2014 11:13 AM
  8. hprvez's Avatar
    It's not personal, a5cent is simply right
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    11-03-2014 05:42 PM
  9. jsooney's Avatar
    All the flashlight apps in the Windows App store that I checked out want microphone permissions, but I can't imagine why. Anyone know?
    11-03-2014 06:01 PM
  10. Ed Boland's Avatar
    All the flashlight apps in the Windows App store that I checked out want microphone permissions, but I can't imagine why. Anyone know?
    Flashlight XT (posted above) doesn't.
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    11-03-2014 06:08 PM
  11. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    All I can think of is cheap/quick code to light up the light is use the camera, which uses the mic.

    I don't like it cause my shutter opens on my 1020. That needs to stop! Lol.
    11-03-2014 06:09 PM
  12. jsooney's Avatar
    Flashlight XT (posted above) doesn't.
    Ok thanks, I'll check it out. I've had "Flashlight" by some guy named Tony Sakariya for a while. I got it because it needed the least permissions of all the apps I looked at, although it was still more than I wanted (video & still capture, microphone and data services). I'll dump it and try that one, although it still wants vid & still capture for some reason. Maybe it controls the flash through those.
    11-03-2014 06:19 PM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    It's pretty clear from your tone here, and the other post I made that you called "B.S." that you don't like me. There's nothing I can do about that, but it does kind of suck.
    No. I have absolutely nothing against you.

    A bit more than a year ago I looked at a lot of games in the play store and found none that saturated more than two cores. That is why, in that other thread, I was sceptical of your claims (I'm still sceptical of your claim when it comes to apps rather than games). Anyway, things have apparently changed, and I'm thankful you brought those games to my attention. I'm looking forward to taking a closer look under the hood, when I get back into the office.

    Here, in this thread, it's no different. I'm just asking you to back up your claims. Your claim that there is no chance of a privacy breach seems just as extreme to me as the security guy's claim, who says almost every popular flashlight app is spyware. IMHO those are both black and white claims, in an area where I expect the truth to be a shade of grey.
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-04-2014 at 06:27 AM.
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    11-04-2014 05:59 AM
  14. Visa Declined's Avatar
    No. I have absolutely nothing against you.

    A bit more than a year ago I looked at a lot of games in the play store and found none that saturated more than two cores. That is why, in that other thread, I was sceptical of your claims (I'm still sceptical of your claim when it comes to apps rather than games). Anyway, things have apparently changed, and I'm thankful you brought those games to my attention. I'm looking forward to taking a closer look under the hood, when I get back into the office.

    Here, in this thread, it's no different. I'm just asking you to back up your claims. Your claim that there is no chance of a privacy breach seems just as extreme to me as the security guy's claim, who says almost every popular flashlight app is spyware. IMHO those are both black and white claims, in an area where I expect the truth to be a shade of grey.
    I never said there was "no chance" of a privacy breach, but these guys are looking at the app permissions, and freaking out over them because they don't understand how apps work.

    As for my other post that you called "BS", if you wanted to dispute my claim or had any doubts about it, calling it bull**** is flat out rude, and I've never seen a forum moderator act this way towards a forum member...anywhere.
    11-04-2014 01:31 PM
  15. jsooney's Avatar
    App permissions are one of the biggest factors in deciding whether I'm going to buy/install an app, maybe the biggest. I might really want something, but if I don't like the look of the permissions I won't get it.

    Me being an ignorant freaker-outer, and you an expert, maybe you can enlighten me. Why does one flashlight app (Flashlight-X, say), need owner identity, phone identity, video and still capture, media playback, photo library, phone dialer, web browser component, music and video libraries, and microphone, when another only wants video and still capture? Doesn't make sense to me.
    11-04-2014 05:17 PM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    Why does one flashlight app (Flashlight-X, say), need owner identity, phone identity, video and still capture, media playback, photo library, phone dialer, web browser component, music and video libraries, and microphone, when another only wants video and still capture? Doesn't make sense to me.
    Either the app has additional features that require those permissions (sniffing about users devices and delivering advertisements would also count as such a "feature"), or it's spyware:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...on#post2507858
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    11-04-2014 06:28 PM
  17. jsooney's Avatar
    That's what I figured, extra features or spyware. I can't think of a legitimate use of music library or microphone. Maybe I can clap my hands and the light comes on?

    Thanks for the link, that's the most detail I've seen yet.
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    11-04-2014 07:06 PM
  18. a5cent's Avatar
    I never said there was "no chance" of a privacy breach, but these guys are looking at the app permissions, and freaking out over them because they don't understand how apps work.
    Well, you did say these people are "spreading FUD", which implies that the top 10 apps are in fact not snooping at all. I'm just not ready to take your word for it.

    One reason why I doubt your claim, is because you think these guys are just looking at app permissions, which doesn't seem to be true. In the interview, the Snoopwall CEO clearly states that they identified data that was being sent back to China, India or Russia. You can't do that just by looking at app permissions. That's pretty much irrefutable evidence. That is why I tend to believe that he's not just outright lying. However, I'm also not willing to believe, without further evidence, that all of the top 10 flashlight apps in the Google Play store are spyware, some of which include trojans and require factory resets to get rid of. It's hard for me to imagine Google wouldn't have caught more of that.

    If I cared more about Android I'd analyse these apps myself, but I don't, which is why I asked you! If there isn't more information about this in the Android blogosphere (I thought there would be), then that's fine. I'll just continue to believe that the Fox news report was partially true.

    As for my other post that you called "BS"...
    If you have an issue with this we can continue that discussion in the other thread (where it belongs) or discuss it via PM.
    11-04-2014 07:15 PM

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