10-03-2012 03:11 PM
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  1. shingi_70's Avatar
    This is about the Windows Store not the Windows Phone store.

    I however do agree its stupid that the Windows Phone 8 SDK isn't out when they are pushing both platforms being similar and it would make sense for devs to work on both at the same time. On the other hand that may be a reason they have it delayed the sdk.

    But to my main point there are reported to be around 2000 apps in the windows 8 store with around 100 being updated per day and a couple of weeks back they opened up the market to devs worldwide.

    so anyone else thinking that its being blown out of proportion. Microsoft has shown off a ton of Windows 8 games that will be in the market at launch.

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/0...on-october-26/

    As well as big apps like netflix and skype that will be a launch. You have to assume their will be other apps that are waiting for launch as well. Not onlt that but windows 8 is going tobe on a lot of hardware and it would be odd for devs to want to miss out on that.




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    09-28-2012 09:03 AM
  2. brmiller1976's Avatar
    Every major platform -- including BB10 -- will have more-than-enough apps for the average person.

    The question is differentiation, and WP doesn't have enough of that right now. UI isn't enough (WP7's failure taught us that), and handsets that cost as much (or more than) the "safe" iPhone and Galaxy handsets aren't going to peel away many converters.

    Microsoft has to deliver MORE for LESS, not "different for the same price."
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    09-28-2012 09:09 AM
  3. TJWINS's Avatar
    Every major platform -- including BB10 -- will have more-than-enough apps for the average person.

    The question is differentiation, and WP doesn't have enough of that right now. UI isn't enough (WP7's failure taught us that), and handsets that cost as much (or more than) the "safe" iPhone and Galaxy handsets aren't going to peel away many converters.

    Microsoft has to deliver MORE for LESS, not "different for the same price."
    I agree 1000%.
    09-28-2012 09:16 AM
  4. shingi_70's Avatar
    Well the OP wasn't about windows Phone. Its about windows 8 were there is really only 1 main other player in the ipad.

    In windows Phone I disagree as the carriers are usually the ones to make the pricing on contract.

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    09-28-2012 09:19 AM
  5. austrianball#IM's Avatar
    So I take it we are talking Windows 8 RT not Windows 8.

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    09-28-2012 09:22 AM
  6. jhoff80's Avatar
    Every major platform -- including BB10 -- will have more-than-enough apps for the average person.

    The question is differentiation, and WP doesn't have enough of that right now. UI isn't enough (WP7's failure taught us that), and handsets that cost as much (or more than) the "safe" iPhone and Galaxy handsets aren't going to peel away many converters.

    Microsoft has to deliver MORE for LESS, not "different for the same price."
    Disagree. It's not a question of the number of apps at all. Sure, a person doesn't need 2000 apps. Maybe on average they only need something like 25. However, my 25 are going to be different from your 25, which are going to be different from everyone else's 25. That's why you need a large app store, because as the number increases, the possibility that everyone will be covered increases.

    Example: a lot of people are excited, because there's a Bank of America app and soon to be a Chase Mobile app for WP7. However, that doesn't help my bank, and it might not help for your bank.

    Moreover, I disagree with your second premise as well. WP7's problem isn't that it doesn't have enough differentiation. The problem is that for all of the new and unique features it had, it has tons of holes in basic functionality that other platforms have. WP8 increases the amount of unique stuff, but unless Microsoft has filled in all the holes, it's still not going to be enough.
    09-28-2012 09:25 AM
  7. brmiller1976's Avatar
    It definitely doesn't help for my bank (Citi), and the availability of it for Android (plus the admittedly good user experience of the S III) makes me tempted to make Android my primary platform.

    I'll still buy a WP8, but Microsoft's gotta snap into gear and rev.
    09-28-2012 09:27 AM
  8. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Nope. Not at all. It won't matter with Windows 8 Pro, but I can see some RT users being disappointed.
    09-28-2012 09:29 AM
  9. jimski's Avatar
    How soon we forget. How many apps were available for the "original" iPad? I remember reading reports of a few hundred if not mistaken. I communicate with many developers regarding tweaks and app reviews. And every one I have spoken to so far has said they are planning app(s) for Windows 8 RT. Not by launch, but certainly by the end of this year. Personally, I can't wait for 10/26/12.

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    09-28-2012 09:57 AM
  10. jimski's Avatar
    .

    The question is differentiation, and WP doesn't have enough of that right now. UI isn't enough (WP7's failure taught us that), and handsets that cost as much (or more than) the "safe" iPhone and Galaxy handsets aren't going to peel away many converters.."
    I am sure everyone has a different definition of failure. Mine is losing more users than gaining. Sort of like Blackberry right now. WP 7.x is not a failure. Its simply yet to discovered.

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    09-28-2012 10:02 AM
  11. Winterfang's Avatar
    Every major platform -- including BB10 -- will have more-than-enough apps for the average person.

    The question is differentiation, and WP doesn't have enough of that right now. UI isn't enough (WP7's failure taught us that), and handsets that cost as much (or more than) the "safe" iPhone and Galaxy handsets aren't going to peel away many converters.

    Microsoft has to deliver MORE for LESS, not "different for the same price."
    09-28-2012 10:34 AM
  12. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I am sure everyone has a different definition of failure. Mine is losing more users than gaining. Sort of like Blackberry right now.
    In their quarterly results, RIM announced they'd added 2 million additional subscribers to their service. That means that BB 7 is growing much faster than Windows Phone in the same quarter, for what it's worth.
    09-28-2012 11:39 AM
  13. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    In their quarterly results, RIM announced they'd added 2 million additional subscribers to their service. That means that BB 7 is growing much faster than Windows Phone in the same quarter, for what it's worth.
    In the US? Because, honestly, I don't know anyone who uses a BlackBerry anymore.

    Then again, I don't know anyone who owns a WP either.
    09-28-2012 12:02 PM
  14. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Lol.

    But if you've ever owned a blackberry and have been to crackberry.com, you'll know that their users are loyal.
    In the US? Because, honestly, I don't know anyone who uses a BlackBerry anymore.



    Then again, I don't know anyone who owns a WP either.
    09-28-2012 12:20 PM
  15. sinime's Avatar
    Are we talking Windows 8 desktop or tablet?

    I would think the tablet will have access to all the WP7 apps and the desktop has access to all the current Windows desktop apps. Not to mention the Surface Pro will have WP7/8+current desktop+win8 apps. So, what's the problem?

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    09-28-2012 02:54 PM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    In the US? Because, honestly, I don't know anyone who uses a BlackBerry anymore.



    Then again, I don't know anyone who owns a WP either.

    No, not in the US. Most of the sales have been cheap Curves sold in developing nations.
    09-28-2012 03:11 PM
  17. jhoff80's Avatar
    Are we talking Windows 8 desktop or tablet?

    I would think the tablet will have access to all the WP7 apps
    You would think wrong.
    09-28-2012 03:13 PM
  18. sinime's Avatar
    You would think wrong.
    That makes no sense. Why wouldn't WP7 apps run on RT? HP/Palm, Android, and that other company, the one with the fruit logo, have phone apps working on tablets. And Nvidia has said the tablets could run WP apps. MS would be foolish to not have an emulator at the very least. So where is this mythical ecosystem then?

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    Last edited by sinime; 09-28-2012 at 03:33 PM.
    09-28-2012 03:20 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something, but why does Windows 8 (the x86 desktop OS) need apps?

    Apps are needed on mobile OSes, since certain things will not work strictly in mobile browsers. For example, who needs a weather app or a Netflix app in a desktop OS?

    What am I missing?
    09-28-2012 04:04 PM
  20. Digital Moe's Avatar
    Does Windows Phone currently have any media playing apps? I am looking at making the switch from iOS to WP. I tried Android (SII) last year and only lasted about two days before returning it and buying a 4S.

    I have tried searching the web and can't not find anything about WP being able to play mkv files without having to convert them.

    Other then that all I need is Hullomail (although they have no interest in developing for Windows) and a equivalent to Run Keeper Pro.
    09-28-2012 04:05 PM
  21. sinime's Avatar
    I'm getting a little miffed by the whole RT probably won't run phone apps stuff. There are several apps out there on competing platforms were 1 app runs and looks native on both the phone an tablet.

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    09-28-2012 04:37 PM
  22. jhoff80's Avatar
    I'm getting a little miffed by the whole RT probably won't run phone apps stuff. There are several apps out there on competing platforms were 1 app runs and looks native on both the phone an tablet.
    There's no 'probably' about it. It 100% won't.

    This isn't really directed at you, but this is a perfect example. Microsoft really needs to start to get their message out there in a simple and concise manner. There's a ton of misinformation out there, even among tech geeks. I still read things all over the place like "Windows RT won't have the desktop" which is completely contrary to everything that's been said all along.
    09-28-2012 04:49 PM
  23. pjs37's Avatar
    There's no 'probably' about it. It 100% won't.

    This isn't really directed at you, but this is a perfect example. Microsoft really needs to start to get their message out there in a simple and concise manner. There's a ton of misinformation out there, even among tech geeks. I still read things all over the place like "Windows RT won't have the desktop" which is completely contrary to everything that's been said all along.
    Yup and MS has not done a good job at explaining the differences at all. Techies like us know but the average person will not. I know Paul Thurrot mentioned this recently and he said MS said they have a plan but no one seems to know it.
    09-28-2012 04:56 PM
  24. based_graham's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something, but why does Windows 8 (the x86 desktop OS) need apps?

    Apps are needed on mobile OSes, since certain things will not work strictly in mobile browsers. For example, who needs a weather app or a Netflix app in a desktop OS?

    What am I missing?
    What are you interested in? Me personally I'm interested in Basketball, Reddit (technology), MMA and other news related apps

    So guess what on my desktop I can pin Sub Sections from different apps (hopefully) like ESPN or Reddit. I can pin things like my Favourite bball team, ESPN bball news, Bball players stats, different sub reddits, different news articles I can pin them and group them so my Metro UI flows like a news paper.

    To me Metro puts the web in front of me while I work away and when I active my Metro start screen I can see all my point of interests giving me information on my desktop, laptop or tablet. It's a great interface that's one reason why I want Metro Apps on my PC.
    09-28-2012 05:26 PM
  25. Digital Moe's Avatar
    I wasn't even aware that WP apps would not run on RT now I have to re-evaluate getting a RT. I think the Pro is going to be way out of my price range and in a range where it makes sense to get a traditional Ultrabook.
    09-28-2012 07:13 PM
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