10-18-2013 11:18 PM
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  1. dkediger's Avatar
    Not really sure what you mean comparing BB10 to WinMo 6.5 to WP8. Blackberry is still supporting its old OS, 7.1 now. They actually just released a brand new phone for it.
    I really don't think BB's intent when 10 was conceived was to have their old OS still on currently shipping phones today. Microsoft got their product out the door - haphazard as it may have been. BB was FORCED by investors to throw something - anything - from 10 against the wall for release, or else we would already be talking about them in the past tense.

    I think the comparison of mobile OS transitions between BB and MS would make a good business case study -
    10-17-2013 03:53 PM
  2. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    Well, your kinda concern for no reason, at least for now. MS has always stated that any and all GDR releases are bug fixes and putting things in place for wp8.1. Everyone warned not to give their hopes up looking for features when ms said 8.1 is the key. Just wait.
    This is exactly the OP's point. Other mobile OS makers like android and blackberry are delivering 0.1 updates faster than MS. I'm a diehard windows phone fanboy myself, but you can't just say "windows phone released 3 updates this year, be happy." Because those are just patches/bug fixes. And we have some pretty bad bugs that take months to get sorted out and some still don't get fixed. (i.e. integrated facebook chat anyone?) iOS 7 has released 2 patches in 2 weeks. 1.5 years for the 0.1 update on windows phone? That's crazy!

    Anyway, my only point is that Microsoft IS being slow, there's no denying that. But I still think that despite it's shortcomings, there is plenty in the OS that still keeps me from switching to iOS or android. :D
    10-17-2013 05:48 PM
  3. MyNL822's Avatar
    Finally there are other people that are seeing exactly what I'm seeing. iOS 7 and Android all have there problems but there are updates come faster and they actually bring you something. When I was an iOS user(still am but I don't think I count since I have iPod touch 4g that can't get iOS 7) I got the iOS 6 update and in 3 days there was already a bug fix update which is almost equivalent to our little"GDR" updates. Windows Phone has to start showing the world what they can do, and that starts with updates. I don't care about the chicken-egg situation, they need to make sure to keep their current customers by providing faster and better updates.
    10-17-2013 06:39 PM
  4. dkediger's Avatar
    Well, to be honest, IOS 5 (antennagate) and IOS 6 (Wi-Fi) had some serious flaws at release that impacted device usability. Apple had to roll some updates - and several in each instance - to avoid outright device refunds. Their update pace slowed pretty drastically after mitigating these flaws.

    Both of these were flaws that really should have been ID'd pre-release - so either their quality checks were lacking, or they did know of flaws and shipped regardless.

    Expect the same with the accelerometer issues on the 5s.
    10-18-2013 12:05 AM
  5. Villain's Avatar
    Microsoft is very slow at rolling out updates and can't see why anyone would defend this.


    I like apples way of rolling out updates themselves (even though I dislike pretty much all of apple)

    second I like the way old blackberry (BB7 and prior) worked... providers were given the OS to approve and went through BB desktop manager... if your provider was slow at releasing the update you would just go and delete the Vendor xml file and then push through another providers update (which is the exact same update). loved desktop manager and wish Microsoft put out a program similar to it.
    10-18-2013 01:18 AM
  6. Chregu's Avatar
    Apple does the same thing, except they don't even get the service packs that MS gives us (GDR1,2,3). Come January we'll have a solid update. You wait.
    Well, it's October and we have a GDR3 preview. That means it will take weeks if not months until we have the final on our phones. So what do you think will happen in January?
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    10-18-2013 03:11 AM
  7. eric12341's Avatar
    The pace is just fine to me, especially to avoid things like this

    Apple loses some of its magic touch with iOS 7
    10-18-2013 05:18 AM
  8. Chregu's Avatar
    The pace is just fine to me, especially to avoid things like this

    Apple loses some of its magic touch with iOS 7
    Funnily, when I started to read the article, I thought: "Well, Apple panicked and rushed the release, similar to Microsoft with Windows 8." and then I read this:

    Still, Budiu said iOS 7 problems are not as bad as some of Microsoft's legendarily troubled OS upgrades, such as Vista in early 2007. Microsoft's more recent Windows 8 launch was also more problematic, she noted. Microsoft on Thursday began rolling out a Windows 8.1 update to address some user issues."iOS 7 is doing some harm but not at the level of Windows 8," she said.
    However just in general, I don't want Microsoft to invent Windows Phone again, they did that after Windows Mobile, and different to iOS7 they just cropped most of the features. I want to see a development with at least some features that are more relevant than auto reply for short messages or the big announced FM radio update which was already available for years on WP7.
    10-18-2013 05:28 AM
  9. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Well, it's October and we have a GDR3 preview. That means it will take weeks if not months until we have the final on our phones. So what do you think will happen in January?
    That's really the Windows way of doing stuff. Come 2014, we'll most likely see Microsoft settle better into their now yearly update cycle.
    If not, they'll face my fists.
    10-18-2013 05:48 AM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    I don't think it's even been two months since BB sent out 10.2. Overall, WP is FAR from the worse at updates. Android still holds that title
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    10-18-2013 06:10 AM
  11. montsa007's Avatar
    Many people have complained that their z10 is a carpy device, hangs a lot and reboots itself.
    That's not something I am saying, Z10 users are ;)
    10-18-2013 07:07 AM
  12. montsa007's Avatar
    I don't think it's even been two months since BB sent out 10.2. Overall, WP is FAR from the worse at updates. Android still holds that title
    I'd like to send you some flowers for that comment :).
    Unfortunately you'll have to pluck them on your own.

    Fyi, its the phone manufacturers that hold the title of lazing when it comes to updates. And carriers, oh boy they are the evil people in the whole deal.
    cckgz4 likes this.
    10-18-2013 07:08 AM
  13. luk3ja's Avatar
    I'm curious as to why it takes Microsoft so long to push out updates that frankly don't offer a lot of features. We got rotation lock and some SMS tones but not a lot of features that are 'wow' after a year since WP8 launched. When i compare this to what Blackberry has done moving from 10 to 10.1 and now to 10.2 you can see the rapid pace at which they're updating features. Instead of catching up, it feels like they're just lagging farther behind sometimes.
    These small GDR updates are not small, they have massive amounts of work put into them in the background that you don't see, all this work is to enable new devices to be able to run the software and be able to do certain functions without problems. Like GDR2 had loads of work done to make the 41mp Lumia 1020 possible and GDR3 had loads of work to make bigger and higher resolution screens possible along with support for new processors. 8.1 is the next release and 8.1 is designed to add hundreds of functions so just wait, I'd rather it be how it is because they have spent a long time perfecting 8.1 to implement features in the best possible way
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    10-18-2013 07:46 AM
  14. luk3ja's Avatar
    Microsoft is very slow at rolling out updates and can't see why anyone would defend this.
    It's the carriers faults not Microsoft and also watch out for the announcement next week, Microsoft are actually going to announce that future updates will be instant on the day of release and be delayed by carriers because they're going to OS updates separately from firmware updates
    10-18-2013 07:51 AM
  15. Chregu's Avatar
    It's the carriers faults not Microsoft and also watch out for the announcement next week, Microsoft are actually going to announce that future updates will be instant on the day of release and be delayed by carriers because they're going to OS updates separately from firmware updates
    The carriers usually delay it, but that doesn't have an effect on unbranded phones? How do you know what Microsoft announces?
    10-18-2013 07:54 AM
  16. chezm's Avatar
    Finally there are other people that are seeing exactly what I'm seeing. iOS 7 and Android all have there problems but there are updates come faster and they actually bring you something.
    Hasnt it ever occured to you that maybe they are aware of the bugs prior to release, and instead of pushing out the date they release it? Androids turn around time for updates is NOT quick, Apple is a different scenario...i agree they're quick HOWEVER, they only have to deal with their own hardware so its easier to UAT and release updates.

    Also, theres no glaring fix for a hardware mess up...and being dependent on APPS to deal with your mistake:
    Here's Why the iPhone 5S Accelerometer Is So Screwed Up

    I am not going to defend Microsoft, they are definitely applying the updates too slowly in my books...but its not like the other guys are light speeds ahead and beyond. Lets stop giving Apple/Android so much credit here, they arent applying updates at a revolutionary rate. iOS is on generation 7 now, WP is really on generation two.
    10-18-2013 10:27 AM
  17. Chregu's Avatar
    I am not going to defend Microsoft, they are definitely applying the updates too slowly in my books...but its not like the other guys are light speeds ahead and beyond. Lets stop giving Apple/Android so much credit here, they arent applying updates at a revolutionary rate. iOS is on generation 7 now, WP is really on generation two.
    Well, there was Windows Mobile 6 and then Windows Phone 7. That would make Windows Phone 8 the 8th generation. Also, iOS and Android are much more mature feature-wise to begin with, that's the reason people want updates.
    10-18-2013 10:34 AM
  18. chezm's Avatar
    Well, there was Windows Mobile 6 and then Windows Phone 7. That would make Windows Phone 8 the 8th generation. Also, iOS and Android are much more mature feature-wise to begin with, that's the reason people want updates.
    Ok, i never was into smartphones (palms or whatever they were earlier in 2000's)....but can Windows Phone really be considered a successors to Windows Mobile? If YES, than i stand corrected.
    10-18-2013 10:49 AM
  19. Chregu's Avatar
    Ok, i never was into smartphones (palms or whatever they were earlier in 2000's)....but can Windows Phone really be considered a successors to Windows Mobile? If YES, than i stand corrected.
    Windows Phone 7 was based on Windows CE as was Windows Mobile. But they stripped many if not most of the features, apps were made incompatible and the interface was brought to more a competitive level in times of iOS.

    Still, Microsoft was very experienced with mobile devices at this time.

    Here, some of the messy back-story:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Phone#Development
    chezm likes this.
    10-18-2013 11:01 AM
  20. ag1986's Avatar
    What baffles me is not the slow release rate. MS is MS, they have legions of engineers for the Office and Windows businesses, the WP division is apparently something of a sideshow up in Redmond.

    The annoying part is that they keep ignoring features that users have been screaming for right since the first release of WP7, features that are the top 3 on UserVoice. This is just plain puzzling.
    10-18-2013 11:48 AM
  21. chezm's Avatar
    10-18-2013 08:05 PM
  22. MyNL822's Avatar
    Well...we are particulary talking about PHONES, but if you want to bring up computers and laptops lets talk about Microsoft's terrible problem throughout the year!
    chezm likes this.
    10-18-2013 10:43 PM
  23. jmshub's Avatar
    I was as frustrated as anybody when gdr2 just wasn't coming out for my 920, but it eventually happened, and now gdr3 is right around the corner. After Microsoft finalizes the code, which has to support a myriad of screen sizes, processor and ram configurations and whatnot, it goes to the handset manufacturer. They need to approve the code, then add any drivers, software updates or fixes they need to, then it gets sent to the mobile carrier for testing and approval. After all of that, it gets released to the handsets.

    It is annoying, but there's a lot of moving parts in there...as posters above mentioned, blackberry and apple don't have some of these issues since they build the hardware and the software... and its not like android, the phones do get updated, even if it takes a while.
    10-18-2013 11:08 PM
  24. chezm's Avatar
    Well...we are particulary talking about PHONES, but if you want to bring up computers and laptops lets talk about Microsoft's terrible problem throughout the year!
    no need to bring up computers, point taken hehe.
    10-18-2013 11:18 PM
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