[PFSP]

Priced at $449.99 a little cheaper than the MS store... (The 20 bucks was worth it to have it 1 month sooner for me )
But its good to have another option for people to buy

See the link
Amazon

[RumoredNow]

Says Fulfilled by Amazon. That means it ships fast, especially if you have Prime.

[libra89]

This news was recently shared but I didn't know that it was cheaper there, very nice.

Unlocked Alcatel IDOL 4S with Windows 10 Mobile now on Amazon for $450 | Windows Central

[nate0]

Yes, and with taxes it made it a little over 50 dollars cheaper for me.

[Iain_S]

please be aware if you load the windows insider onto these devices there is still no open market recovery image on the recovery tool, so you will be stuck on insider builds with no way to get back to the original system image. You can use the tmobile image but it will leave you with a branded tmobile device and the firmware is older.

[RumoredNow]

please be aware if you load the windows insider onto these devices there is still no open market recovery image on the recovery tool, so you will be stuck on insider builds with no way to get back to the original system image. You can use the tmobile image but it will leave you with a branded tmobile device and the firmware is older.

So you can confirm that cross flashing is not disallowed by WDRT?

Because myself and a few others may want to go the other way... T-Mo to Open Market.

[nate0]

Correct for flashing the unlocked model. Next trial is when the Open Market rom comes... Before I returned my device to Microsoft, I tested flashing the T-Mobile rom and it flashed with no issues. Unfortunately I had to return it like that but the Microsoft Rep seemed to not even care. Never turned the device on or looked at it. Just processed the refund. Same unlocked hw just with a T-Mobile rom instead, I guess they will figure it out when it goes back to the stock room...

[Iain_S]

So you can confirm that cross flashing is not disallowed by WDRT?

Because myself and a few others may want to go the other way... T-Mo to Open Market.

I don't know if it would work going from the tmobile locked version to the open market one when it arrives, but give it a try and let us know.

[editguy]

I don't know if it would work going from the tmobile locked version to the open market one when it arrives, but give it a try and let us know.

We can only hope. I prefer to cut the carrier out of the process.

[aximtreo]

Correct for flashing the unlocked model. Next trial is when the Open Market rom comes... Before I returned my device to Microsoft, I tested flashing the T-Mobile rom and it flashed with no issues. Unfortunately I had to return it like that but the Microsoft Rep seemed to not even care. Never turned the device on or looked at it. Just processed the refund. Same unlocked hw just with a T-Mobile rom instead, I guess they will figure it out when it goes back to the stock room...

They will probably flash the right ROM before it's resold. The store close to me seems very good at correcting some of my boo boos.

[nate0]

forgot the quote...

I don't know if it would work going from the tmobile locked version to the open market one when it arrives, but give it a try and let us know.

This device flashes a little different than most other devices. Most of us are use to the Lumia boot loader style flashing where it resets the device to AppFlash mode. The Idol4s has to be rebooted to the sprocket/lightning bolt screen then flashed using WDRT. The PlatformID for the T-Mobile and the unlocked model based on my findings are also identical. It is matter of waiting for the FFU to appear in the tool and then see.

[RumoredNow]

I don't know if it would work going from the tmobile locked version to the open market one when it arrives, but give it a try and let us know.

Oh, I'm definitely going there when the image comes available...

Not only debranding, but I'm hoping to clear up my SMS/MMS bug. http://forums.windowscentral.com/alc...tm#post3625693

[editguy]

Oh, I'm definitely going there when the image comes available...

Not only debranding, but I'm hoping to clear up my SMS/MMS bug. http://forums.windowscentral.com/alc...tm#post3625693

Hmm, you saying that has me wondering. If we are able to "debrand", would it mess up my Tmo SMS/MMS (and WiFi calling) since they are my carrier. I've always been able to get unlocked phones to play nice with Tmo but this would be new territory.

[RumoredNow]

Hmm, you saying that has me wondering. If we are able to "debrand", would it mess up my Tmo SMS/MMS (and WiFi calling) since they are my carrier. I've always been able to get unlocked phones to play nice with Tmo but this would be new territory.

I'm 1000% positive you would loose T-Mo WiFi calling and VoLTE.

[nate0]

There is no reason to debrand in the US if you are using a branded phone on that provider, unless you really want something the unbranded FW/SW offers.

[editguy]

There is no reason to debrand in the US if you are using a branded phone on that provider, unless you really want something the unbranded FW/SW offers.

I was thinking from the standpoint if, in the unlikely event, Alcatel does a firmware update it's nice to have a non-carrier phone because you know you will get it.

[nate0]

I was thinking from the standpoint if, in the unlikely event, Alcatel does a firmware update it's nice to have a non-carrier phone because you know you will get it.

This will be the interesting part. I was able to flash the T-Mobile FW with no issues too. If the open market NA (North America) FW flashes on the T-Mobile model without issues, then you could try it and then roll back if needed.

[nate0]

I'm 1000% positive you would loose T-Mo WiFi calling and VoLTE.

Pretty sure the Wifi Calling will not work. But I thought Unlocked phones on T-Mobile worked with their VoLTE services right out of the box...part of being the "uncarrier" network.

[dpgx81]

Had it in my cart half a dozen times, i have a bunch of Amazon credit this month from work travel and am seriously considering getting it... I'm waiting out MWC this weekend in the event a Surface Phone gets announced but I can't imagine that would not have leaked in some capacity by now.

[RumoredNow]

Had it in my cart half a dozen times, i have a bunch of Amazon credit this month from work travel and am seriously considering getting it... I'm waiting out MWC this weekend in the event a Surface Phone gets announced but I can't imagine that would not have leaked in some capacity by now.

The new common wisdom is Surface Mobile Device in 2018...

[editguy]

The new common wisdom is Surface Mobile Device in 2018...

Or not at all...

[TgeekB]

Or not at all...

Don't be a party poo***, you know what I mean. 😉

Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S

[nate0]

Don't you know Windows 10 Mobile is dead??? LOL, 2 years from now they will be saying Windows 12 Mobile is dead

[editguy]

Don't you know Windows 10 Mobile is dead??? LOL, 2 years from now they will be saying Windows 12 Mobile is dead

Yep, like a broken record. I just don't understand why they feel the need to tell us that we should move on to iOS or Android. If it didn't meet my needs, I would have done that without prompting from anyone (although I wouldn't enjoy using them because I hate the looks of both).

[TgeekB]

Yep, like a broken record. I just don't understand why they feel the need to tell us that we should move on to iOS or Android. If it didn't meet my needs, I would have done that without prompting from anyone (although I wouldn't enjoy using them because I hate the looks of both).

Even worse, I came from Android and iOS to WM. I must be insane! 😄

Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S