01-31-2013 05:00 PM
- 01-22-2013 06:35 PM
- If you lump smartphones, tablets, desktop PC's and enterprise servers all into one category and call them all computers, then sure, that number might be correct. It's just completely insane and useless to do so. Those devices are sold into different markets with completely different usage models and applications. Some of those markets are mature while others are in their infancy. It's rubbish.01-22-2013 08:56 PM
- 01-23-2013 08:25 AM
- From a technical perspective, the "just born" argument is a fact that can't be argued with. You can disagree only by being wrong. What you can do is disapprove of Microsoft's strategy.
The next iteration of WP will likely also be "born fresh", but the implications and incompatibilities will be much smaller than they were between WP7 and WP8. MS has good reasons for taking this approach, they just aren't executing fast enough.
WP8 is what WP7 should have been.
Microsoft is now trying a new strategy, WP8 and Windows 8 share the same kernel and many programming interfaces. Microsoft's promise to developers is convergence to a unified platform.
Windows 8 is so big that even with a slow adoption can sell hundreds of millions of licenses, this volume will attract developers. The apps for Windows 8 can be ported to WP at a fraction of the cost, in this stage is more reasonable for Microsoft to invest big money in paying the port to WP. So WP's success is tied to Windows 8 success.
The good news is that both Windows 8 and WP8 are gaining traction, with more devices out there, more apps will come faster.
Other important factor is HTML5, the impact of this technology in the app landscape will be significant. If Microsoft pay money to port applications from iOS to WP, that investment could be lost because for many apps HTML5 will replace native apps and HTML5 apps run on any device. For example, banks, retail, apps that show information, even some games, should go HTML5.
The mobile industry is not consolidated, this is a transition stage, Microsoft can't spend much money if things will change soon.01-23-2013 08:40 AM
- And like ltyarbro42 said, Microsoft isn't doing it on purpose. They've been paying devs, paying for commercials, paying for Nokia, paying paying paying since day 1. But money spent doesn't always translate into market share.
Advertise the heck out of Windows Phone. Microsoft's advertising spending is nowhere near where it can be. This is a company that spent $6.2 billion on aQuantive for no reason other than panic and $8 billion on Skype, an acquisition that hasn't seen any material ecosystem benefit. Mobile is where Microsoft needs to be right now. It's more important than an advertising platform and it's more important than snagging a (pretty crappy, if I may say so) communication service. How much is Microsoft spending on marketing Windows Phone? A couple hundred million a year? Well, news flash - Samsung spends $4 billion on advertising, and you bet a huge portion of that is promoting their Galaxy brand. Microsoft needs to step up and match that if it wishes Windows Phone to get the penetration that the Galaxy brand has gotten - which is second only to the iPhone.01-23-2013 08:41 AM
You actually thought they were focusing on Windows Phone 8? Like doing stuff to make it better? LOL! Now why would they do that??01-23-2013 09:24 AM
- 01-23-2013 09:26 AM
- It is rubbish but likely true. Which is why Windows Phone and Windows 8 on tablet form computers is so important. Android is on many many devices and while they might not be productivity devices, they are consumption devices which Microsoft used to hold the market on. Microsoft need cheap touchscreen tablet PCs to finally succeed. Windows 8 may help them do that where every other recent Windows has failed.01-23-2013 09:27 AM
- It is and it isn't. There's a categorical strength and weakness in what Goldman Sachs did. Obviously desktops and phones are not comparable, but someone in the developing world they are massively more likely to own a Windows phone than a Windows desktop. Or laptop. I was raised on Windows PCs, while kids these days are raised on iPads. So yes, they are not alike, but one is replacing the other for many people. Desktops will never be dispensable, but they will be owned at substantially lower rates.
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A big push for exclusive games on WP9 will be the other (which I was hoping to see for WP8).01-23-2013 10:49 AM
- I'm not sure why most people can't grasp that Microsoft is looking at Windows 8 adoption to help boost Windows Phone 8 adoption.
It should be noted that Microsoft's live tiles interface makes some apps a little more difficult to develop, if those apps will have live information. If the user share isn't there, other developers won't develop "live" apps. If the user share IS there, they will (or at least some of them will).01-25-2013 11:58 AM
- 01-25-2013 02:50 PM
The general point made above has merit though.01-25-2013 07:54 PM
- I think a lot of people forget,
Blackberry 80+ million installed base > Windows Phone 25-30(?) million installed base.
RIM might be losing day-to-day sales but has a much bigger installed base. RIM could leap frog Microsoft if even half of those users jump to BB10. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that developers are looking to take advantage of new BB10 users. I think early numbers for BB10 will be huge (with most of that coming from corporations upgrading from BB7). The question is, will that growth be sustained?
And like ltyarbro42 said, Microsoft isn't doing it on purpose. They've been paying devs, paying for commercials, paying for Nokia, paying paying paying since day 1. But money spent doesn't always translate into market share.
The Galaxy S3 has just hit 40 million after 7 months only because Samsung's distribution power made in available in every single country in the world, and Samsung supported it with advertising in every single one of those markets. A small company like RIM would likely be unable to even produce 40 million BB10 handsets within a year; unlike Samsung, they don't actually operate factories making RAM chips, screens, batteries and SoCs.01-25-2013 10:47 PM
The Microsoft haters who have recently been trumping the "Microsoft owns so little of the computing device pie!" mantra are plain ridiculous. It's no myth that Microsoft doesn't own a majority of computing devices - when did it? Billions of dumb phones that have sold through the years. (Though I guess those don't count, because they are "dumb" - yet the cheap Android crap that is replacing them are years behind the true smartphone flagships and are most certainly dumb in comparison.)
Would you do the same with TVs and tablets, just because they are both electronics and great for consuming media content?
Microsoft's mistake was skimping out on features such as VPN. Makes absolutely no sense; why bother working on DataSense, which is enabled on about 0.1% of carriers worldwide, rather than VPN? The manager of the Windows Phone team needs to be fired.
Last edited by AngryNil; 01-25-2013 at 11:42 PM.01-25-2013 11:22 PM
- App situation is something that will come when WP reaches critical mass. Only thing MS can do is to make dev and publishing part as easy as possible. This is no issue.
To achieve that critical mass...
What i do agree is that WP will need to move much faster. Not impressed at all so far. They are moving like the MS we know, not the MS they should be to even compete against Google and Apple. MS really needs to broaden it's HW support much faster and bring OS updates more often.
Non trackable bar on music player just being one of the many examples that you think it can't take 3 years or how the OS handles MicroSD.01-27-2013 05:38 AM
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