- 11-20-2013, 03:24 PM #1
I'm sure many of you are aware of the Google+ and YouTube Integration recently that have cause millions of YouTubers around the world to be emotionally angry and frustrated. First of all who freaking uses Google+. I have attempted many times to disconnect and delete Google+ from invading my YouTube profile and I've finally given up. This woke me up and made me realize how many of us are becoming dependent of Google's services. I notice my phone contact have been uploaded to Google+ and across their other services. I never gave google+ permission to upload my personal phonebook in the first place. I only created a google email account because I was forced into when activating my Samsung Android phone. In light of the recent changes, I feel vulnerable and sucked in into Google blunt attempt to monopolize the internet and now on my knees pleading to the Google gods for mercy.
Moving forward, my next phone will not be an Android phone and I've gone back to hotmail services. Youtube will be an alternative video websites. The only thing I will not give up is Google search. To all the Google fan boys out their I want to remind you that you will wake up to a rude awakening one day when you become so dependent on Google that there's no turning back. You will fall hard.
I notice MS have Bing video. Are they any good? I haven't tried a WP but do they force you to have a MS account to use other phone features. MS has been fairly good to me in the past in terms of security and privacy and I don't know why I was swayed away from MS and now sucked into this Google vortex.
Last edited by thymaster; 11-20-2013 at 03:50 PM.
11-20-2013, 03:34 PM #2
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If you get a Windows Phone just start using Bing- it's just as good as google. No reason to continue feeding google with your service.
I'm not aware of any Bing video. You can search for videos through Bing, and it searches any number of video upload sites including adult/pornographic ones; best search engine ever!
- 11-20-2013, 03:49 PM #3
^ Ever since MS came up with Bing, I never had a chance to try it because I'm so used to Google search engine. If you say Bing is just as good as Google then I will take your word for it and will consider testing Bing this week.
- 11-20-2013, 04:01 PM #4
- 11-20-2013, 04:39 PM #5
But, you did allow Google to backup your contacts, did allow Google to create a g+ profile, and did allow it to link to your YouTube account. It's right there, each time you select "accept" for the services in question.
There's an option to stay completely free of any services provider if you're truly paranoid:
Put the contacts on your Sim card, and don't use anyone's cloud services.
Then only the nsa/fbi/everyone can see who you know, call, text, etc, but not Google or Microsoft
- 11-20-2013, 05:28 PM #6
That's the thing that perplexes me about Google fans and users. It is the biggest adware company around. People hate every other kind of adware and install blockers so that they don't have to view ad content. People lambast Microsoft for collecting any data and make silly comments afraid of the Kinect watching you and sending video of you eating a sandwich back to a secret cave beneath Redmond.
But then they say "Hey, sign me up for every kind of Google service and software and give me one of their phones with a GPS too and let me give them my bank account info and access to all of my email and pictures and private conversations with my friends. It's all great!"
- 11-20-2013, 05:47 PM #7
Some people are overly paranoid and assume the worst any time a company asks for their info. Everything is a conspiracy to them. I think the important thing to consider is what the company is doing with your info and whether it's reasonable for them to request it on a case by case basis.
In the case of Microsoft, they are clearly using the centralized MS account to tie together your devices, MS services, and even some common third party services to help you keep things in sync with minimal effort. I say "clearly" because their operating systems and software all have actual functionality that takes advantage of the information that you share with it (as opposed to being asked for some information and getting nothing in return). MS has worked very hard on this and it shows in their recent products. I actually avoided it at first because I didn't think it would really provide much real world benefit, but a few month back I gave it a try full force and it blew me away. I used to spend a lot of time trying to keep all of my devices in sync. Now I own more devices than ever and it is practically seamless. I think this is going to become more and more important as the average consumer has more devices in their lives. At some point, if they don't all tie together, you will end up spending all your time just trying to keep them all updated and in sync instead of actually using them to make your life more enjoyable.
On the other hand, I don't trust Google with any of my data. Google is an advertising company first and a technology company second. They tend to ask for (or demand) data a lot, but they rarely give you anything in return for it. The technology they offer for "free" is mainly used to gather more information from consumers to further their advertising business. Not only does that not help me in any way, but it's an invasion of my privacy. Some people don't care and that is fine, but it's just not ideal for me.
- 11-20-2013, 05:59 PM #8
11-20-2013, 06:16 PM #9
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- 11-20-2013, 07:48 PM #10
However, I think for a lot of people this is just the straw that broke the camels back. Many people are upset with Google because they keep taking peoples data from one source and using it in ways that the person did not expect. People want their anonymous interactions on the internet to remain anonymous. They don't want that stuff constantly being tied back to an account that publically identifies them. It could cause all kinds of problems for people if their political beliefs, religious beliefs, or just random quirky thoughts that were posted anonymously were linked back to them after the fact. For example, a potential future employer might decide not to hire someone simply because they don't like that the person is really into first person shooter games, or because they like movies like Saw 1 to 24, or because they have posted over 12,000 comments on the MyLittlePony.com forum (don't judge me). Google (and Facebook) are both really bad about changing their terms of service and making private data public.
- 11-20-2013, 08:42 PM #11
- 11-20-2013, 09:12 PM #12
- 11-21-2013, 01:33 AM #13
Yea you're right I did give permission for google to back up my contact. I allowed them to BACKUP but I didn't allowed them to share my contact across their other service like "Google+" and for them to allowed other people to see my contacts and linked them to the dumb g+ account. They've already committed a privacy law by taking my contact, sharing with another one of their service website and then sharing it with the public. This is no different then a company you trusted held your sensitive information and they took that and shared it with a third party. This opens up doors for identity theft and all kinds of fraudulent activities friend.
Also I don't need to sign up and baby sit another social networking site that I don't give a crap about.
- 11-21-2013, 01:44 AM #14
- 11-21-2013, 02:09 AM #16
First off, I am with you. I just posted this thought last night: Google has taken the art of selling advertisement to a level that I would admire if I wasn't so scared of it. I do not want to say that I believe they are selling my information, because I do not think they are. But when I Google a query and within 2 keystrokes similar products are advertising on the side and pop ups start smiling at me, I run the other direction. It is too bad- I would consider an Android device that fit my needs if I tusted them more. But this is just one of those "gut instinct" things- sooner or later this house of cards that props up Google's empire will fall. Along the way, a lot of good people who enjoy those "G" services may get hurt. Not a prediction, just one of those uneasy feelings.
As far as using other MS services, I find it way to easy to use the ecosystem to not take advantage of it. I have had several WP devices now, and as soon as I sign in to my account, everything is loaded. I get my paid apps back and all my contacts are updated exactly as I had them entered before. I find Skydrive to be one of those services that the more I use it, the more I like it. I love the "One Note" intergration.
But as stated, you can opt out of any of these services and your experience will be more secure and private. MS likes to make money off of adds, but it is not their lifeline, so they are happy you just purchased their products. Google is one of those companies that proves that nothing is "free".
Sorry I kinda rambled there.
- 11-21-2013, 05:03 AM #17
I feel it necessary to post this: Scroogled! Time to buy one of these Shop Scroogled | Microsoft Store
But seriously, Google are overstepping the line with everything recently. I agree that the whole Google+ thing is a waste of time, and I wish I could Opt Out, as I like to keep my personal and internet lives separate. Today that line between personal and online is becoming very blurred, and this is in no question due to Facebook, Google, and all these companies mining for your personal information in various ways. I've recently been trying to move away from Google, because, I don't want to be commercialized by the big capitalists, like some asset. Unfortunately, I think for many of us, its too late to escape Google, as we've been using them for years, and the amount of data a lot of us have revealed is shocking. They've managed to track people down, and get their life habits from just their search queries alone, saw this in a TV show I watched a while back.
- 11-21-2013, 01:59 PM #18
- 11-21-2013, 02:51 PM #19
I think that is a perfectly fair expectation when dealing with most companies, but what a lot of people don't realize is that Google's "customers" are the businesses that advertise through them and buy information from them. Consumers are not really Google's customers. They are in many ways the product that is being sold.
- 11-21-2013, 11:31 PM #21
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