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  1. mark233's Avatar
    Windows Camera ... no flash ... auto
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    12-25-2016 06:16 PM
  2. mark233's Avatar
    Picture comparison between the Alcatel and 950XL. Alcatel pic is on the top.
    alcatel.jpg 950xl.jpg
    All auto ... no flash.
    Last edited by mark233; 12-27-2016 at 03:31 PM.
    12-27-2016 02:41 PM
  3. Sedp23's Avatar
    Picture comparison between the Alcatel and 950XL. Alcatel pic is on the top.
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    All auto ... no flash.
    The idol looks better imo

    Sent from Idol 4S
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    01-05-2017 11:02 AM
  4. mark233's Avatar
    The idol looks better imo

    Sent from Idol 4S
    I have the same opinion.
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    01-05-2017 04:43 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I have the same opinion.
    Except for the light on the upper right corner blown out, I'd have to agree.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
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    01-05-2017 06:59 PM
  6. editguy's Avatar
    The idol looks better imo

    Sent from Idol 4S
    There is better contrast in the 950XL pic, too. But I still believe these issues are firmware/software issues. That doesn't mean that they'll ever be improved, though.
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    01-06-2017 03:08 PM
  7. editguy's Avatar
    01-06-2017 03:08 PM
  8. mark233's Avatar
    Took this at work today. I did increase the contrast a little via FastStone Image Viewer I have installed on my computer. Bright lights do get blown out some. But still quite acceptable in my opinion.
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    01-06-2017 04:42 PM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Took this at work today. I did increase the contrast a little via FastStone Image Viewer I have installed on my computer. Bright lights do get blown out some. But still quite acceptable in my opinion.
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    Don't feel bad. There aren't many phone cameras that don't have the sensors blown by bright lights. Ever tried taking a picture of the moon?

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
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    01-06-2017 10:28 PM
  10. mark233's Avatar
    Ever tried taking a picture of the moon?

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    ...not with a phone camera but I've seen some that others have taken and they never looked good. Co-worker took some pics of a lunar eclipse with his 830. Turned out horrible lol.
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    01-07-2017 06:33 AM
  11. RaRa85's Avatar
    ...not with a phone camera but I've seen some that others have taken and they never looked good. Co-worker took some pics of a lunar eclipse with his 830. Turned out horrible lol.
    Probably because they didn't increase the shutter speed. When you're exposing for the moon you just crank that shutter speed up without over increasing the ISO and you'll get a decent shot of the moon but that's all you'll get. Clouds and other details will be lost. Try it.
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    01-07-2017 07:03 AM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This is what to expect with 15007. Just a quick pic with auto HDR.


    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    01-13-2017 12:12 PM
  13. editguy's Avatar
    This is what to expect with 15007. Just a quick pic with auto HDR.


    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    I thought you got off of the fast train?
    01-13-2017 04:15 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I thought you got off of the fast train?
    I did, but this was a gamble I couldn't resist.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
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    01-13-2017 04:33 PM
  15. editguy's Avatar
    I did, but this was a gamble I couldn't resist.

    Sent from Alcatel Idol 4S with Windows via mTalk
    Let us know how it goes. That pic is tempting me. Funny that I fear an insider build on this phone, but have no qualms about using it without a case.
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    01-13-2017 06:01 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Let us know how it goes. That pic is tempting me. Funny that I fear an insider build on this phone, but have no qualms about using it without a case.
    So far........
    *Battery life is unchanged.
    *Camera is obviously improved.
    *Continuum is flaky when used wirelessly (wired works perfectly). The issue is that it doesn't disconnect unless you physically remove the wireless adapter from the monitor. But when you go to Settings>Devices, it still shows connected and not even a reset changes this. I had to remove the adapter from the list but it's not a real issue because I use an HDMI cable anyway.
    *Do not use after the update until you've made sure the Store app is updated. It makes the apps unresponsive (big time).
    *WiFi is spotty but I'm not discounting Xfinity just yet because my PCs have been quirky since yesterday too. Timing might be a coincidence.

    Other than those few quirks, it seems a little quicker loading apps. Facebook notwithstanding ugh!!!! The new settings layout is really welcome and we now have the option to reset individual apps (clearing of cache). This is not new for me since BlackBerry OS10 has had this for some time. I'll give it a few days to settle and wait for more app updates before rendering a final verdict. Right now, all seems to be pointing upward.
    01-13-2017 06:26 PM
  17. editguy's Avatar
    Have you tried doing video since you went back on preview? I'm curious if it made any improvements. It will never be at the excellent level because of the lack of OIS, but I'm hoping it has improved like the pic that you posted.
    01-14-2017 05:54 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Have you tried doing video since you went back on preview? I'm curious if it made any improvements. It will never be at the excellent level because of the lack of OIS, but I'm hoping it has improved like the pic that you posted.
    I honestly have never taken a single video with any phone. There is a video stabilization option in settings, I guess that's what you're looking for.
    01-14-2017 06:24 PM
  19. editguy's Avatar
    I honestly have never taken a single video with any phone. There is a video stabilization option in settings, I guess that's what you're looking for.
    No, that's digital stabilization which is better than nothing but doesn't compare to optical stabilization, which the phone doesn't have (I was hoping that they would sell enough of these to do a version two and include that and the few other things that some people want, like NFC. Well, if you haven't done any video before, you're not going to know if there are improvements. I may have to take the plunge and discover for myself.* Thanks anyway!
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    01-14-2017 06:40 PM
  20. mark233's Avatar
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    Taken in auto mode ... no flash or post editing
    01-19-2017 05:03 PM
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    01-22-2017 08:14 PM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Here is an experiment I just ran... I set up in a semi-dark area and I arranged several Lego people against a white backdrop. All shots are fully auto except for the notated conditions. Tripod mount so all shots were taken from the exact same position.

    This is just a test.


    Camera App; yield 5312 x 2988 (15.9MP), 1.07MB
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    Camera App + Forced HDR; yield 5312 x 2988 (15.9MP), 1.26MB
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    Camera360 Sight; yield 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 691KB
    sight_2017_01_23_125253_154.jpg


    ProShot - capture JPG, save as JPG; yield 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 734KB
    proshot_20170123_125406.jpg


    ProShot - capture RAW, save as JPG; yield 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 1.36MB
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    ProShot - capture JPG, save as TIFF; yield 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 6.42MB
    However, this forum will not upload TIFF so I have a 100% quality save via Fotor from TIFF to JPG yielding 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 2.08MB
    tiff-jpg-001.jpg


    ProShot - capture RAW, save as TIFF; yield 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 8.45MB
    100% quality save via Fotor from TIFF to JPG yielding 4192 x 2356 (9.88MP), 3.30MB
    tiff-jpg-002.jpg



    Some subtle differences when comprising the outputs on the phone... However, the ProShot RAW > TIFF shows a lot of promise due to the sheer volume of data available for post process.

    What do you think?
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    01-23-2017 02:04 PM
  23. editguy's Avatar
    Maybe it's my monitor, but the camera appears to have white balance problems in fully auto mode. The background has a slight blue tint (once again, maybe my monitor). I agree that the RAW shot would give the most to work with in post. Out of curiosity, which shot best represents what you saw with your naked eye?
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    01-23-2017 03:32 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Maybe it's my monitor, but the camera appears to have white balance problems in fully auto mode. The background has a slight blue tint (once again, maybe my monitor). I agree that the RAW shot would give the most to work with in post. Out of curiosity, which shot best represents what you saw with your naked eye?
    It's not just yours, I got the same bluish tint on my laptop. I do remember having trouble getting whites in low-light scenes always showing up as pastel blue. However, I would know before taking the shot because it would show that way on the viewfinder.
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    01-23-2017 05:54 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What do you think?
    Amazingly, the forced HDR is the only one where you can make out any detail on the tall fella in the back. The foreground subjects have some softness but that's a given with this camera. I knew you'd be fiddling with this rig soon enough.
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    01-23-2017 05:59 PM
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