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  1. editguy's Avatar
    Amazingly, the forced HDR is the only one where you can make out any detail on the tall fella in the back. The foreground subjects have some softness but that's a given with this camera. I knew you'd be fiddling with this rig soon enough.
    Yeah, that's why I wanted to know which shot most*closely represented what he saw with*the naked*eye. If only Alcatel would do something in firmware. I will always believe this camera is capable of much better.
    01-23-2017 06:45 PM
  2. editguy's Avatar
    Can someone explain to me why the forum keeps putting asterisks in my posts?
    01-23-2017 07:00 PM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Maybe it's my monitor, but the camera appears to have white balance problems in fully auto mode. The background has a slight blue tint (once again, maybe my monitor). I agree that the RAW shot would give the most to work with in post. Out of curiosity, which shot best represents what you saw with your naked eye?
    Of them all, Camera360 Sight is probably closest to the "naked eye." But, yeah, the interpolation of the white board background is decidedly blue. This was sort of tucked into an alcove with some CFL light about 15 feet directly behind me and some natural sunlight about 20 feet to my right as I faced the scene. The sunlight was definitely shadowed by a recess though and also some sheers.

    It seems to be off on temperature as well as brightness. Here is the RAW to TIFF opened in Fotor and I added Brightness and increased Temperature. Much less "blue." I'd have to play with it more to get it correct, but you can see a marked difference. You can't wash the blue out simply with the Brightness slider unless you totally blow out the subject.
    raw-tiff-bright-temp.jpg


    Here it is with 1-Tap Enhance (auto correct). I had to reduce the file size a bit as the resultant 4.99MB would not upload.
    raw-tiff-1-tap-enhance.jpg


    Here it is with the Shade scene filter applied.
    raw-tiff-shade.jpg



    Amazingly, the forced HDR is the only one where you can make out any detail on the tall fella in the back. The foreground subjects have some softness but that's a given with this camera. I knew you'd be fiddling with this rig soon enough.
    Of them all, I agree the forced HDR shot is the most usable right from capture.


    Yeah, that's why I wanted to know which shot most*closely represented what he saw with*the naked*eye. If only Alcatel would do something in firmware. I will always believe this camera is capable of much better.
    The camera definitely is capable of much more. There simply isn't any firmware as I discovered. This is born out by the exif.
    capture01.png

    The exif bears the marks of allowing the SoC to control the camera module and my pokes and prods with Interop Tools confirms my opinion. The whole thing is a nice lens and sensor with a budget phone control default. It's what I saw on BLU. The results were less disappointing there as you had a budget expectation.


    I'm not done experimenting though. I'll see what else I can come up with. I wish Rawer or Polarr Pro would open TIFF files though... Or that the hack to enable DNG capture would stick. Better post processing is definitely needed for less than optimal lighting.
    01-23-2017 10:58 PM
  4. greedo_greedy's Avatar
    As I have observed many times before, Windows Central does not do any of these pictures justice, the compression algorithm used just sucks the life out of pictures.
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    01-24-2017 08:12 AM
  5. badelhas's Avatar
    As I have observed many times before, Windows Central does not do any of these pictures justice, the compression algorithm used just sucks the life out of pictures.
    True. But that happens to to other smartphones on other threads as well...

    Cheers
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    01-28-2017 03:44 AM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    As I have observed many times before, Windows Central does not do any of these pictures justice, the compression algorithm used just sucks the life out of pictures.
    Click on a pic... When the popup comes, click on that and it opens the pic in a new tab. You may then view the pic full sized at your own leisure.
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    01-28-2017 11:50 AM
  7. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Took this picture of the morning sky. Camera, forced HDR. The resulting 15.9MP (5312 x 2988) was opened in Polar and cropped in 16:9. The end result is 7.1MP (3553 x 1998).

    wp_20170129_07_29_58_pro_crop.jpg
    01-29-2017 04:04 PM
  8. mark233's Avatar
    Took this picture of the morning sky. Camera, forced HDR. The resulting 15.9MP (5312 x 2988) was opened in Polar and cropped in 16:9. The end result is 7.1MP (3553 x 1998).

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    Came out pretty decent in my opinion.
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    01-29-2017 06:24 PM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Came out pretty decent in my opinion.
    Yeah, I thought so too...

    I just stopped on my way home from WallyWorld on the spur of the moment. I didn't have a tripod (maybe I should keep one in my car?) so I steadied the phone on my hood and tried some light painting with ProShot (light trails at 1 second). Not much usable there. Probably need a better setting as well as a tripod, but this one is another "decent" shot.

    proshot_20170129_181701.jpg


    I then processed it quite a bit. Cropped 16:9 in Fotor, used the Darken scene filter, cranked the Saturation to 100, increased Temperature +48 (out of 100, it's like a % in Fotor). Then I denoised Color and Luminance by a +38 each with Polarr Pro...

    proshot_lightpaint.jpg



    Fun photo story: I have my Camera App set so that the camera button wakes the phone and also holding it takes a burst. Somehow my Incipio case was not quite on all the way so any little bump pushed on the button... I took 568 pictures of the inside of my pocket today. I was wondering why my phone was getting hot in my pocket. O_o
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    01-29-2017 07:19 PM
  10. mark233's Avatar
    Fun photo story: I have my Camera App set so that the camera button wakes the phone and also holding it takes a burst. Somehow my Incipio case was not quite on all the way so any little bump pushed on the button... I took 568 pictures of the inside of my pocket today. I was wondering why my phone was getting hot in my pocket. O_o
    Reminds me when I was playing around with the camera on my iPhone (I was a noob). I didn't realize I was pressing one of the volume + /- buttons. Phone sounded all kinds of messed up. Later learned that while pressing, the phone was taking a mess of burst shots one after the other. I realized that when I looked in the Camera Roll and there was about 50 shots of the same thing ... made me laugh but I also had a sigh of relief knowing the phone wasn't screwed up.
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    01-29-2017 08:28 PM
  11. editguy's Avatar
    Fun photo story: I have my Camera App set so that the camera button wakes the phone and also holding it takes a burst. Somehow my Incipio case was not quite on all the way so any little bump pushed on the button... I took 568 pictures of the inside of my pocket today. I was wondering why my phone was getting hot in my pocket. O_o
    I guess there's a downside to having all of that storage space!
    01-30-2017 12:02 AM
  12. mark233's Avatar
    Took this today at work ... Auto mode ... no post shot editing ... mostly LED overhead lighting:
    wp_20170130_11_58_20_pro.jpg
    01-30-2017 04:22 PM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    Took this today at work ... Auto mode ... no post shot editing ... mostly LED overhead lighting:
    Looks like a government shop :)

    Me used to work in a place like this.
    Cool pic Mark!
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    01-30-2017 04:53 PM
  14. Michael Amaleona's Avatar
    All the picture is so great I think I will buy alcatel idol 4s :D
    01-30-2017 07:38 PM
  15. badelhas's Avatar
    Yeah, the pictures I see here are actually quite good. I'm impressed!

    Cheers
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    01-31-2017 04:05 AM
  16. Racioli's Avatar
    The second one looks better to me, more natural.
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    01-31-2017 06:35 AM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    The second one looks better to me, more natural.
    The second one of which set? We are into page 7 and the last pic posted was a single...

    Click on the post number in the upper right of the post to get a link, or hit the Quote button to copy the entire post. Please and thanks.
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    01-31-2017 11:29 AM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Another test. Fairly close (about 2') from something with a bit of natural gloss in a dark place. Wanted to see how the flash treats such a subject.

    Microsoft Camera, forced flash.

    wp_20170205_11_53_24_pro.jpg


    Some people can't rake care of nice things when they have them.
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    02-06-2017 10:21 PM
  19. badelhas's Avatar
    Another test. Fairly close (about 2') from something with a bit of natural gloss in a dark place. Wanted to see how the flash treats such a subject.

    Microsoft Camera, forced flash.

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    Some people can't rake care of nice things when they have them.
    Looks great, actually. I'm impressed!

    Cheers
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    02-07-2017 04:43 AM
  20. mark233's Avatar
    Machined work from raw casting. Auto mode ... no flash ... no post editing.
    wp_20170210_08_22_25_pro.jpg
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    02-10-2017 07:40 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    All you photographers, keep it coming. Learning a lot.

    Sent from my Alcatel Idol 4S
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    02-10-2017 08:22 PM
  22. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Camera App, forced HDR.

    wp_20170210_18_04_58_pro.jpg
    02-10-2017 10:06 PM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ProShot App using RAW (sensor) to TIFF (image file). Converted to JPG with Fotor. Cropped 16:9 in Polarr Pro and I added some Vibrance and Saturation.

    tiff-jpg_crop_vibrance_saturation.jpg
    02-12-2017 05:28 PM
  24. mark233's Avatar
    ProShot App using RAW (sensor) to TIFF (image file). Converted to JPG with Fotor. Cropped 16:9 in Polarr Pro and I added some Vibrance and Saturation.

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    Good job Rumored! That looks fantastic.
    02-12-2017 06:07 PM
  25. darrell reimer's Avatar
    Anyone know how to fix this video problem? The contrast keeps switching back and forth during video capture. It's driving me nuts! Please help; I love everything about this phone, except the camera. What manual setting should I adjust to fix this so it stabilizes and doesn't keep switching?
    02-15-2017 11:34 PM
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