02-12-2018 10:56 PM
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  1. scoots37's Avatar
    We've heard Polaris is rumored to make its way to traditional PC's like laptops. Since the rumored Andromeda device will have Polaris on it, and a new tablet like mode when unfolded, do you think it will be able to replace a PC for some consumers?

    My only concern is the typing experience with Andromeda: do you think Andromeda will have a lapdock like the HP Elite X3 phone did or some other accessory to make typing easier? Will some consumers replace there laptops and other PC's with Andromeda devices in the future?
    02-06-2018 11:50 AM
  2. Old_Mil's Avatar
    It's my feeling that from this point forward you will see a drop in the percentage of Windows computers going forward. A dramatic drop. A lot of the numbers counted in Windows installations right now are Windows 7 machines. Most of corporate America completely skipped Windows 8 and 8.1....With the flailing around Microsoft is doing right now I see a significant portion of the replacement cycle to some combination of Ubuntu and ChromeOS going forward.

    Given the choices Microsoft has made under Nadella over the past two years I will be shocked if the percentage of desktop and laptop running any form of Windows doesn't fall below 50 percent.
    02-06-2018 12:10 PM
  3. etphoto's Avatar
    I believe that just like a Surface replaces a desktop for some I think the Andromeda device will replace some as well. Personally, I still like my desktop (even though I spend less time on it) so it wouldn't replace mine.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    02-06-2018 12:51 PM
  4. Manus Imperceptus's Avatar
    It won't replace my private nor my work pc; I game (VR) on my private pc, and run AutoCAD on the work pc. It would be a great companion device, though, both at home and at work. It might even replace my smartphone, again both at home and at work. It could be particularly useful for field work!
    02-10-2018 01:30 PM
  5. juan almanzar's Avatar
    Yes. I will go with it.
    02-10-2018 01:36 PM
  6. VHMP01's Avatar
    This is like asking 2 decades ago if we thought that a laptop would replace our desktop, well when it got same or better specs it did, so I say the same aplies, if Andromeda has 32 Gb Ram, 1 or 2 Teras, and can be connected to a huge amount of external devices, then yes!
    02-10-2018 01:40 PM
  7. justjun555's Avatar
    yes for lots of average consumers it can replace their pc/laptop if it provides familiar desktop experience.
    02-10-2018 01:43 PM
  8. michael rau's Avatar
    Sure this will replace my laptop tablet devices if it runs windows 10 pro sku.
    02-10-2018 01:46 PM
  9. Vincent McLaughlin's Avatar
    I agree with Zac. I think it will take some time for an Andromeda enabled foldable device to take off. It's hard to know what such a device will look and feel like in the hand. That will be the very first hurdle for MS. The device has to feel as natural as carrying a smart phone. It shouldn't feel or look bulky. The second and most important hurdle, MS has to clearly push usage advantages over a traditional tablet, smart phone or PC. These have to be clear and compelling useage scenarios and they have to be made for both consumer and enterprise customers, even if the device is geared toward enterprise. It is the enterprise consumer that will more or less be the ones to use it for both work and personal reasons. It has to be positioned to cater to both. J
    02-10-2018 01:47 PM
  10. theefman's Avatar
    Stop, dreaming, no previous small screened windows device has managed to replace a desktop, this magical device won't either. And as for the ridiculous prediction that Ubuntu and chromeos will replace windows, I suggest you plan the migration and see now it goes,

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    02-10-2018 01:48 PM
  11. Aden Rossinni's Avatar
    I think if they release a Studio 'shell' that can be used at home/office, that maybe boosts graphics in some way when Andromeda device is connected, AND the device has some form of keyboard that works well, it could go part way in replacing our PCs, however, as Zac mentioned, that may take some iterations. My Pro 4 just recently developed an ugly line 2/3 of the way down the screen horizontally, and with it some flickering so it's been shipped back the MS to be replaced, and in the mean time I pulled out my old Toshiba Satellite and (as it's too chunky/heavy/ugly) I had to take my two top phones (X3 & 950xl) with my MS foldable keyboard out so I could continue to work. I hadn't done that for a while as that's what I used to do before the Pro 4, but it felt odd at first and then it kind of felt liberating with only carrying the phones and the keyboard, and I could have carried one phone, but that's just me. Anyway, I really believe that it depends on how MS develop this device and if they have done all their homework, then they may be able to create this new niche. I'm a heavy user, but mainly for time, and I'll always have a desktop/laptop because I love the form factors, but ANOTHER device, is not hard to swallow. Will the average consumer go for it? It depends on what they bring to the table or pocket?
    02-10-2018 02:29 PM
  12. slepr's Avatar
    Just as my surface pros did not replace my Desktop, nor my Elite X3 running continuum. What I am hopeful of is transitioning from the X3 to the Andromeda device with PWAs to use. This would replace my SP3 on trips. I also hope it will have printing capability. A very well thought out dock/keyboard/monitor could make a strong case for a desktop replacement for those that do light duty on a desktop.
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    02-10-2018 02:29 PM
  13. anthonyng's Avatar
    Maybe for some but it shouldn't be a global statement. I want it to be like a companion device, personally I still need the power of my laptop, but I like leaving it and being on my phone and still can do similar stuff, like continuing to chat on Skype, follow up on emails, one note... Plus non work stuff
    02-10-2018 02:49 PM
  14. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I have a Surface Pro 4 i7, it is my desktop, using a docking station, it has a full size keyboard and mouse, web cam, speakers, microphone, 1tb hard drive, CD, and a few other peripherals, it can just as easily be my laptop, with either the standard supplied keyboard, or more often a small keyboard and mouse, and without those it is my tablet.

    It is just too large to be my phone.

    As long as any new device is powerful enough it can easily do what my surface does and if small enough when folded with a simple out-side facing screen also do that job as well, my phone duties and mobile hotspot work is currently done by my 950XL.
    02-10-2018 03:40 PM
  15. Brian2014's Avatar
    My desktop PC isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Android phone for when I'm not at the PC, otherwise I use the PC for everything. I can't browse the internet on a small device, except for occasional things when I'm away from the PC.
    02-10-2018 04:21 PM
  16. scoots37's Avatar
    This would replace my SP3 on trips.
    Interesting point, I think it would also eliminate the need to take my laptop with me on some trips as well.

    Even if it doesn't fully replace my laptop, it may definitely replace certain use cases of it.
    02-10-2018 04:29 PM
  17. gnomagico's Avatar
    Yes. Actually is not the foldable thing that makes the difference but the full Windows on ARM coupled with a monitor and Continuum.
    Foldability makes the difference while on the go but most of the time I think the main PC is used at home.
    That's why I'm following closely the work of Gustave and other guys that are trying to run WoA on Lumias, so I can give it a go.
    Also it depends a lot on the computing power of the device but I guess that won't be a problem as chips continues to shrink.
    02-10-2018 04:32 PM
  18. SvenJ's Avatar
    Answering the question as posed, sure. It could replace the PC for some consumers. The HPX3, 950/XL, or Galaxy with dock, could replace a PC for some consumers. There are two things I get right now out of my "PC", meaning desktop. It has an enormous screen, along with keyboard and mouse, and it has applications I cannot get on my phone, Visio, Access, Corel, Project (you know the stuff). I can already get a ginormous monitor/keyboard/mouse hooked up to a phone. What I can't get are those applications. If I didn't need apps I couldn't get on a phone, sure, it could replace a PC. The performance is the next consideration, but phones are getting pretty amazing. If I put an HPX3 and dock in a small desktop case and had people try it with a monitor/keyboard/mouse and told them it was running Win S, I bet most would believe it was a budget desktop.


    I think the next question would be, would I want to? There was a time when I wished for one device, so I wouldn't have to move things around, because the latest version was somewhere else. With the cloud though, that isn't as much of an issue. You can get to your stuff regardless of what platform you started it on, or what you want to use it on if you try. So, my phone and my PC are different tools for different needs, and I don't mind having more than one. Even if my phone could do everything my laptop does when traveling, I'd still likely need the stuff to make it a laptop, screen (8-10 inches unfolded won't cut it), keyboard too at least. If the stuff that provided that, the HP Lapdesk, NexDock, was $150-$200 bucks, I might go that route and hook the phone to it. As it stands, at $600-$800, I can just buy a laptop.


    So, could the unicorn phone replace a PC for some people? Sure. Will it? Probably not, IMHO.
    02-10-2018 04:58 PM
  19. kingtigre's Avatar
    If it does what my Surface does and can dock like one, then yes. I don't see any reason why not.
    02-10-2018 05:16 PM
  20. Bobvfr's Avatar
    My desktop PC isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Android phone for when I'm not at the PC, otherwise I use the PC for everything. I can't browse the internet on a small device, except for occasional things when I'm away from the PC.
    Nor is mine, I forgot to mention the 28inch monitor, but as said, my main PC is my SP4, so if they could make a six inch device that can fold out to twice that size and it's as powerful as my SP4, then I would have all my devices from phone, tablet, laptop and PC all in one device.
    02-10-2018 05:26 PM
  21. Yangstax's Avatar
    If typing is your concern, you can always get a BT portable keyboard or get a WoA Always Connected PC. Polaris is the desktop expression of Windows Core OS while Andromeda is the mobile expression of WCOS. Andromeda will come out first. All these new form factors will threaten the traditional laptop PCs especially the low-end laptops. I think all the OEMs will rush into making different versions of Andromeda devices to protect against the unavoidable decline of laptops. I have spent some time playing with the ZTE Axom M at the AT&T store recently. That form factor will definitely take off. You can see more and do much more compared to the smartphones. Andromeda will become the powerhouse of PWAs. The app gap issue for Windows Mobile will be gone forever.
    02-10-2018 06:02 PM
  22. David Steadson's Avatar
    My SP3 doesn't have the biggest screen, and most of the time I don't use it, I have it connected to 2 desktop screens. It's really only on trains, buses, and presentations I use it as a tablet/laptop. An Andromeda device could conceivably replace this, especially if they manage to come up with some kind of decent matching foldable keyboard.
    02-10-2018 06:16 PM
  23. Wilson Samiano's Avatar
    I find that I don't really use a lot of apps on my phone. Just like my Windows Phone now Android, I use Edge, MSN News, MSN Money, Outlook, Maps, and Messenger. Oh yeah Facebook. If I could do those things on Andromeda device well, I could easily switch to this upcoming device. Although the GPD Win 2 is looking like a great form factor as well. Imagine that system with Andromeda, telephony built-in, and an all day battery, I'm sold!
    02-10-2018 06:34 PM
  24. Great deal's Avatar
    The same way Continuum did lol - No it won't, we all know it won't, MS are praying that it will, a tiny screen is useless for productivity, period.
    02-10-2018 07:25 PM
  25. Vivio vrvly's Avatar
    You probably got no idea then. Same as laptops are preferable now over full sized desktop pc, tablets over laptops, foldable phone will be more "mobile" therefore more liked. If you say its about power, it would be true years before, not now with start of computing streaming over internet. Screen, keyboard,... can be also portable and will be just extension not main part of computer.

    Even that foldable phone may be just extension of computer over internet, its way different than the way of todays PC's. Not to mention you would have "phone" as bonus in one device, after all camera, apps and wearable and other devices you connect to, will be needed if its phone or computer, no reason to pay 2 times for flagship right?
    02-11-2018 03:31 AM
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