1. PimpBot5001's Avatar
    Just wondering if anyone has any theories regarding Spotify Connect and the Invoke End of Life.

    My thinking is that Spotify Connect requires a wi-fi/internet connection...but I don't think it requires Cortana. I'm concerned that if I allow my Invoke to receive the firmware update in January 2021 (which will remove wi-fi capabilies and Cortana) then Spotify Connect will stop working.
    BUT...if I disconnect my Invoke prior to the firmware update...and leave it disconnected for six months until they stop pushing the firmware update...them maybe I can salvage the Spotify Connect functionality?

    And I find it irritating that the firmware update is being framed as a goodbye present because it will enable bluetooth. Here is a quote taken from a Windows Central article: "A firmware update will ship to the Harman Kardon in early 2021 that will allow people to use the device as a Bluetooth speaker". I guess they don't realize that the Invoke can already be used as a bluetooth speaker?!?
    08-04-2020 10:15 PM
  2. owmyappendix31's Avatar
    I would like to know this as well. Maybe we could provide our MAC addresses to Microsoft and they could blacklist those of us who didn't want the update. I'd assume Spotify would just keep working just fine and we'd just get errors with Cortana, I'm just fine with that. Spotify connect audio quality is FAR better than Bluetooth. I'd rather not shelve the invoke for 6 months.
    08-06-2020 05:33 PM
  3. MikeStarbucks's Avatar
    I would like to know this as well. Maybe we could provide our MAC addresses to Microsoft and they could blacklist those of us who didn't want the update. I'd assume Spotify would just keep working just fine and we'd just get errors with Cortana, I'm just fine with that. Spotify connect audio quality is FAR better than Bluetooth. I'd rather not shelve the invoke for 6 months.
    Same here. I've actually given up on using Cortana on my invoke a long time ago, but I've been using Spotify Connect on it extensively. Removing Wi-Fi functionality from the device is not explicitly mentioned in Microsoft's message, but it seems that this is indeed their intention. That would be utterly shameful and a lousy move by Microsoft. Those of us who have purchase the speaker paid for a high-quality Wi-Fi speaker with Cortana, Spotify Connect and Bluetooth. I can accept removing a software/cloud feature like Cortana, and such a move makes total business sense for MSFT as they are focusing Cortana on productivity/enterprise use, but removing Wi-Fi support is taking away what I consider to be a Hardware feature and a critical piece of functionality from this product. In fact, I fail to understand how that is even something that Microsoft can do - as far as I recall, the device was available for purchased from Harman, and they should stand behind their product in at least keeping its hardware functionality.
    As for Bluetooth audio, I can't begin to count its shortcomings vs. Wi-Fi. Starting with the functionality of a phone doubling as a source device for the music (think "all phone audio playing on speaker" - what happens when you want to play a short video on your device while listening to music on the speaker with friends, or take a phone call without stopping the music? Impossible without Wi-Fi), continuing with the need to stay within 30 feet of the speaker for the music to play vs. being able to leave the premises while the music continues to play on Wi-Fi (think a house party, going out to get more beer), and ending with the audio quality - including bit rate and interference. True, Spotify only supports up to 328kbps streaming bit rate today, but that could change if they adopt hi-res audio. And Invoke only supports the standard SBC Bluetooth codec (no aptX / LDAC / LHDC), which gives you up to 328kbps, but in noisy conditions you will get far lower effective bit rate. In comparison, Wi-Fi will pull the stream directly from Spotify's servers, leave your phone to do other tasks, not consume your phone's battery life, allow you to start the stream and leave the premises, and work at pretty much any bitrate that Spotify decides to support.
    Bottom line, either this is a misunderstanding, or Microsoft and Harman need to compensate customers with a lot more than a $50 gift card if they remove Wi-Fi support from this speaker.
    09-04-2020 05:28 PM
  4. MikeStarbucks's Avatar
    I wonder whether there is an update on this. I'm really quite concerned about losing my Spotify Connect feature in January. the device is worthless to me as a Bluetooth speaker.

    Same here. I've actually given up on using Cortana on my invoke a long time ago, but I've been using Spotify Connect on it extensively. Removing Wi-Fi functionality from the device is not explicitly mentioned in Microsoft's message, but it seems that this is indeed their intention. That would be utterly shameful and a lousy move by Microsoft. Those of us who have purchase the speaker paid for a high-quality Wi-Fi speaker with Cortana, Spotify Connect and Bluetooth. I can accept removing a software/cloud feature like Cortana, and such a move makes total business sense for MSFT as they are focusing Cortana on productivity/enterprise use, but removing Wi-Fi support is taking away what I consider to be a Hardware feature and a critical piece of functionality from this product. In fact, I fail to understand how that is even something that Microsoft can do - as far as I recall, the device was available for purchased from Harman, and they should stand behind their product in at least keeping its hardware functionality.
    As for Bluetooth audio, I can't begin to count its shortcomings vs. Wi-Fi. Starting with the functionality of a phone doubling as a source device for the music (think "all phone audio playing on speaker" - what happens when you want to play a short video on your device while listening to music on the speaker with friends, or take a phone call without stopping the music? Impossible without Wi-Fi), continuing with the need to stay within 30 feet of the speaker for the music to play vs. being able to leave the premises while the music continues to play on Wi-Fi (think a house party, going out to get more beer), and ending with the audio quality - including bit rate and interference. True, Spotify only supports up to 328kbps streaming bit rate today, but that could change if they adopt hi-res audio. And Invoke only supports the standard SBC Bluetooth codec (no aptX / LDAC / LHDC), which gives you up to 328kbps, but in noisy conditions you will get far lower effective bit rate. In comparison, Wi-Fi will pull the stream directly from Spotify's servers, leave your phone to do other tasks, not consume your phone's battery life, allow you to start the stream and leave the premises, and work at pretty much any bitrate that Spotify decides to support.
    Bottom line, either this is a misunderstanding, or Microsoft and Harman need to compensate customers with a lot more than a $50 gift card if they remove Wi-Fi support from this speaker.
    12-03-2020 01:22 PM
  5. Frank de Rooij's Avatar
    What if you cannot get the 50dollar refund because you don't live in the States.

    Refund can only be applied in the USA
    12-28-2020 02:57 PM
  6. Whodaboss's Avatar
    I too have the same concerns. HK website states "Harman Kardon has been working closely with Microsoft to ensure a seamless device transition for all Harman Kardon Invoke speakers from a voice-activated device to a Bluetooth-only streaming device. We know that most of our customers primarily use the Invoke to play music because of its premium quality sound. To make sure you can keep listening to music or your favorite podcasts, we’ve created a Bluetooth-enabled device transition plan that we hope will help ease the impact of this change. At the beginning of 2021, Harman Kardon will issue a firmware update to all Invoke speakers that are connected to the Internet."

    The way I read this they are taking away the wi-fi connectivity. Which stinks. Truthfully, I don't get this move at all. You can currently use Bluetooth now anyways. If they want to remove Cortana just remove it. Why would they need to remove the wi-fi connectivity. I will be taking mine offline for the six months. I have many sonos speakers so I'll use a few of those where I currently have my Invokes. I'll see if that works. If not, then oh well. I've already received one $50 gift card. But I'll have to contact Microsoft in order to get my second. But I'll wait till June. Since you have to provide the MAC address to get the gift card I figured that's how they'll hone in and find the devices to update. What a crappy situation.
    01-24-2021 05:18 PM
  7. MikeStarbucks's Avatar
    I too have the same concerns. HK website states "Harman Kardon has been working closely with Microsoft to ensure a seamless device transition for all Harman Kardon Invoke speakers from a voice-activated device to a Bluetooth-only streaming device. We know that most of our customers primarily use the Invoke to play music because of its premium quality sound. To make sure you can keep listening to music or your favorite podcasts, we’ve created a Bluetooth-enabled device transition plan that we hope will help ease the impact of this change. At the beginning of 2021, Harman Kardon will issue a firmware update to all Invoke speakers that are connected to the Internet."

    The way I read this they are taking away the wi-fi connectivity. Which stinks. Truthfully, I don't get this move at all. You can currently use Bluetooth now anyways. If they want to remove Cortana just remove it. Why would they need to remove the wi-fi connectivity. I will be taking mine offline for the six months. I have many sonos speakers so I'll use a few of those where I currently have my Invokes. I'll see if that works. If not, then oh well. I've already received one $50 gift card. But I'll have to contact Microsoft in order to get my second. But I'll wait till June. Since you have to provide the MAC address to get the gift card I figured that's how they'll hone in and find the devices to update. What a crappy situation.
    It's Feb 16 and my Invoke's Wi-Fi + Spotify Connect still work. Hoping they've accidentally skipped my device with the update.
    I think the reason they "need" to remove Wi-Fi is that without Cortana support (via the Cortana service on Windows or mobile app), there is no way to onboard the speaker to a Wi-Fi network. Of course, if you're already connected to one, what do you care? Well, you will care once you change your network, which may happen before the speaker dies out... They likely want to prevent that situation as it'll be a pretty disappointing user experience.
    As for the $50 gift card, it is useless, can't use it to buy anything on the MSFT Store. Shame on you both Microsoft and Harman.
    02-16-2021 07:54 PM
  8. Sammibulin97's Avatar
    Glad to see there are some other HK user's interested in the Spotify feature!

    I got a new service provider the past week so I had to reset my Invoke. I was able to set everything up and even reconnect my spotify account. So I'm guessing the update hasn't been sent out yet. Let's hope it's so not important to MSFT and HK that they just forget to do it haha.
    02-24-2021 12:35 AM
  9. RalphieD's Avatar
    As of now, all of HK are still working
    Yesterday 07:49 PM

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