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  1. Chris Christensen's Avatar
    I use edge as my main browser although I do use both Firefox and Chrome from time to time. The best experience with what they are testing is with Edge so it makes sense. This is no different than what you get on an apple product and their subpar Safari browser. The new sets is based on Edge so for functionality it again makes it logical.

    I would prefer the choice and option to select the browser I want but I am Understanding to the testing of it in the Skip ahead ring of windows 10 as I am a tester.
    03-25-2018 10:43 AM
  2. Hirox K's Avatar
    > Main complaint, is opening new tabs with focus from a mouse wheel click.
    I use ctrl+LftClick (or menu key) to open link in new tab, same shortcut as Chrome.

    I don't use anti-virus and I don't visit funny sites or DL anything. All my files are in the cloud, my PC / Android settings are in the cloud, my projects are all SVNed, my raw photos are SVNed and I have another backup in gPhoto for sharing, I use web-based services (e.g. OneNote, Netflix. I don't DL movies or use torrent). My PC is actually... relatively clean and simple.

    Edge actually work fine on my Alienwares and Surfaces (and Android). I don't install extensions (same way I use Chrome), I write my own extensions to do my automations, enhancements, stop vid autoplay, hide things I don't wanna see, adBlocker, go mouse free and other jobs.
    Edge runs fine so far, so I've no intension install any 3rd party browsers.

    * Nexus5x has smaller RAM and Inbox, Chrome... don't work well with small RAM devices. It didn't resume well after GCed, that's why I went Outlook and Edge.

    The only win32s I install on my machines are... VisualStudio, Unreal, Havok (lib / middleware, to be exact), Adobe, 3dsMax, etc, developer tools.
    So again, my PC is actually relatively clean and simple, maybe that's why I don't run into minor issues.

    I remember reading comments where fans of different card maker attacking each other, over which $500 card crashes more, etc etc. I'm sure all cards've went through QA before shipping IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.
    Android as an example... API got removed from Stock ROM existed in custom ROM... OpenGL calls works on Nexus but not in Galaxy, it gives you black screen if you use the newest API.

    Years ago, Win10 forceful update was a chore right? My old Alienware wasn't affected. Alienware team blocked it even when I request the update manually. Lenovo, Asus, etc... won't do that... Custom builds? You are on your own.
    I force updated it through an USB eventually, luckily, 0 issue so far...

    I guess, the simpler your machine is (combination of OS version, drivers, software, background services, etc), the more stable & lesser hassle you'll get. That is why I go for Alienwares and 1st party HWs. I'm not gonna waste time troubleshoot myself.
    Last edited by Hirox K; 03-27-2018 at 11:06 PM.
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    03-25-2018 10:45 AM
  3. Monte Constable1's Avatar
    Could ask the same question about Google now on my phone. Yes they should be able to
    03-25-2018 10:51 AM
  4. Richard Toft's Avatar
    I use edge all the time anyway, however a few points.
    1) IOS do this and no one screams at them, In fact the average user has probably not even thought about or noticed it. If you want a stable (it just works) environment then you have to remove all the things that are not within your control, imagine if ms set this to use your default browser eg Chrome and Google update/ remove the api?

    2) I don't think this will be the case for all versions of the os home or pro will probably continue to keep the users browser of choice, windows 10 S however i think will be locked and to be honest it probably should to keep a stable and optimised operating system.

    3) This is in a pre beta OS and for that fact it probably should be locked initially, also if people hate it so much then isn't this feedback part of the windows insider program?

    Finally there are worse things happening to your personal data right now by Facebook etc, which I think is more concerning regarding your personal choice. I'll keep using edge (my choice).
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    03-25-2018 11:37 AM
  5. Matthias Boerner's Avatar
    No big deal.

    First, Edge continues to improve and I use it more and more. For my use, I don't see any disadvantages anymore to using it over Chrome or Internet Explorer only advantages actually.

    Second, how many people actually use the Mail app? This is a minor link change and not up to par with the hyperbole used by Tom Warren or this post's title.

    Maybe .
    I would kill IE. There are 2× more IE users.
    Why MS?
    03-25-2018 11:42 AM
  6. sporosarcina's Avatar
    I love that people in a pre beta program are complaining. If you don't want the company sandboxing variables away to make sure things work initially then I suggest you should not be in that level of the Insider program.
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    03-25-2018 11:51 AM
  7. Awhispersecho's Avatar
    @Hirox K,

    What Alienwares do you currently own? At the moment I'm down to my 18 with the dual 980's but I may be getting a new Area 51 soon.

    As far as MS and Edge. I have zero issues with MS making Edge the default for opening links. Why wouldn't they? Every other software company uses their own software to interact with the rest of their own software. In fact, almost every product you buy in the world is designed by default to work with their other own products. However there should always be an option to change it to the browser of your choice. If no option exists, that's a problem.
    03-25-2018 12:55 PM
  8. missionsparta's Avatar
    in the long ago past, is say no....but since then, the monopoly laws with tech companies seem to only apply to them. So if they don't start nailing Apple and Google on them, I say "why not?"
    03-25-2018 01:34 PM
  9. Karl Boerger's Avatar
    I think MS is not the only guilty one. Even google and apple are to. So all three need of talking. I beat most you don't mind when Google does it. And hate it when MS dose it. I for o e think both should allowed user to used what they wanted. Like in chrome. It should allowed you pick what search engine you want to used. And not pick by Google. The same as Edge.
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    03-25-2018 01:47 PM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    @Hirox K,

    What Alienwares do you currently own? At the moment I'm down to my 18 with the dual 980's but I may be getting a new Area 51 soon.

    As far as MS and Edge. I have zero issues with MS making Edge the default for opening links. Why wouldn't they? Every other software company uses their own software to interact with the rest of their own software. In fact, almost every product you buy in the world is designed by default to work with their other own products. However there should always be an option to change it to the browser of your choice. If no option exists, that's a problem.
    I agree. Right or wrong they build applications to work together, that is why they want you to use them. It only makes sense.
    I can certainly use another browser on my iPhone if I choose, but when following a link it will be Safari.
    Unless you jailbreak of course. That opens up a multitude of options.
    03-25-2018 02:14 PM
  11. ScrewSJWs's Avatar
    Well, it will give a lot of users another reason to abandon Nadellasoft's crap and install something else. The stupidity that reigns in that company is reaching new highs.
    03-25-2018 02:40 PM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well, it will give a lot of users another reason to abandon Nadellasoft's crap and install something else. The stupidity that reigns in that company is reaching new highs.
    I don’t pretend to be an expert, but it seems MS is moving towards attempting to get their services in the hands of as many people as possible. Mobile hardware failed so now they are pushing Edge, Cortana, etc. on Android and iOS. Seems perfectly logical to do the same on Windows products.
    Will it work? We will see.
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    03-25-2018 02:51 PM
  13. SvenJ's Avatar
    Consider that this is a change in the Skip-Ahead ring, the farthest out Beta bits. It also only affects the built in Mail app. If you use anything else, Outlook, Chrome, Live.com, etc, you don't get this behavior. If you notice links in Mail don't go directly to linked web sites, they go through some 'proxy' method that I imagine is doing some sort of protection/checking for nefarious sites. It may be that MS is using Insiders, folks who have signed up to test, as testers for some new feature. To ensure they get sufficient telemetry, they may have forced the Edge connection. I have a hard time believing that MS will ignore user app options in the release version.

    The only folks that wouldn't be able to get out of this is people using Windows S. I'd suggest those folks wouldn't care.
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    03-25-2018 03:06 PM
  14. EssThree's Avatar
    No big deal.

    First, Edge continues to improve and I use it more and more. For my use, I don't see any disadvantages anymore to using it over Chrome or Internet Explorer only advantages actually.

    Second, how many people actually use the Mail app? This is a minor link change and not up to par with the hyperbole used by Tom Warren or this post's title.
    I use the Mail app. I prefer not to use Edge. I'm logged into my university account in Windows so the calendar and mail integration is nice. However, Edge is a nightmare to use for any kind of study because of site rendering issues and the way it handles flash these days.

    Yes I want flash to go away too, but until it has, MS shouldn't break how it works.
    03-25-2018 03:53 PM
  15. THE_Lawnboy's Avatar
    Not sure what all the hoopla is about. I built a NUC about 3 months ago and have bent over backwards to not install legacy .exe crapware on it. The only Win32 apps installed so far is the Office suite.

    I have used Edge exclusively on it - I don't even have Chrome installed. The only plugin I use is Ghostery. Edge has been perfect. It's fast, clean, and light. I have no need for any other browser. And I use the mail client - it is good, but still needing a few features to be perfect, namely full drag-and-drop support.
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    03-25-2018 04:56 PM
  16. fdruid's Avatar
    No big deal.

    First, Edge continues to improve and I use it more and more. For my use, I don't see any disadvantages anymore to using it over Chrome or Internet Explorer only advantages actually.

    Second, how many people actually use the Mail app? This is a minor link change and not up to par with the hyperbole used by Tom Warren or this post's title.
    MS has every right to promote use of their own browser.
    In contrast, how receptive is Chrome OS to be used with other browsers? Edge for example? MS gets all this crap for doing what any other company does.
    03-25-2018 05:17 PM
  17. naddy6969's Avatar
    There can only be one reason for this, and everyone here knows what it is.

    Edge is being used by virtually no one. It is currently #9 on the worldwide browser stats, behind even IE at #6 . IE and Edge COMBINED are less than 5%. Considering MS used to own the internet, that has to hurt badly.

    Worse, Edge is dropping. It peaked around October 2017 at 2.22 % and is currently at 1.86%.

    I would say MS is desperately trying to get those stats up.

    To be fair, most browsers are dropping. Only #1 Chrome use is steadily growing at 57%. Everyone else - #2 Safari 14%, #3 UC Browser (whatever that is) 8%, #4 Firefox 6%, #5 Opera 4%, #6 IE 3% - is slowly dropping and/or barely holding steady. The others, from #10 on down, are in the sub 1% range.

    However, I fully expect there to be enough backlash from this experiment, that it will not be permanent. Then again, MS has no qualms about alienating its users, so who knows?
    03-25-2018 05:50 PM
  18. drjekel_mrhyde's Avatar
    That's going to make me stop using it all together. i uses it every now and then, but this will force me to stop. Last time I checked this is still a PERSONAL COMPUTER
    03-25-2018 06:46 PM
  19. kdk24z's Avatar
    I don't know what people are complaining about when it comes to Edge. I avoided Edge when it was in its infancy because it really DID suck! However, for the past 6-12 months, it has been rock solid. I only use it and I'm a picky *******. :-P
    03-25-2018 08:13 PM
  20. Mike Semblance's Avatar
    It's only links from the mail app! People who use third party browsers, can still use them 24/7 right?

    While I have no use for third party browsers, many boomers still use them, like my granddad.

    NordVPN handles all my ad blocking, like a boss.
    Last edited by Mike Semblance; 03-25-2018 at 08:54 PM.
    03-25-2018 08:37 PM
  21. DCTonkaTruck's Avatar
    In general, I don't like the idea that something can't be changed. To me, that's what is annoying about companies that make it 'just work' by essentially limiting choice and abandoning older systems. On the other hand, I do think that not being as aggressive about forcing obsolescence and providing a relatively open platform has held Microsoft back and given a foothold to their competitors. In the end, I think I am OK with MSFT setting it up that their free, first-party apps can be a closed ecosystem as long as they make a point that you can still install any other application and control the other settings.
    03-25-2018 10:24 PM
  22. covfefe's Avatar
    Absolutely. It should be the only browser available on Windows 10.
    03-25-2018 10:33 PM
  23. unmorphed's Avatar
    You don't see a problem with that rationale? Just keep throwing "stuff" at the wall until something sticks?
    Ad block extension are 3rd party. Simple fact that some will be good, some won't.
    03-25-2018 10:53 PM
  24. unmorphed's Avatar
    Why don't they try the old fashioned approach, actually making a BETTER product rather than using subterfuge and coercion?

    Sent from mTalk
    Well, performance wise (speed, battery) it put scores other browsers. So it's an improvement on IE already. For the average user it's a better option, slowly its improving to address power user needs but obviously it will never win over fan boys and haters.
    03-25-2018 10:57 PM
  25. unmorphed's Avatar
    Apple forces iOS to open Safari when clicking links from their mail app. However, I don't think Microsoft should do this. Edge still is not there yet. I have issues with it freezing at work. Might be the configuration, but I am running 1709 with a new laptop. My company just moved to Chrome as the default. I have tried not to use Chrome, but I use LastPass and the Extension just works better in Chrome. Plus at work, I can't even install the Extension in Edge since installs from the Store are blocked, but we can install Extensions in Chrome. Sad state of affairs. Microsoft blew it really.
    Your company's settings are likely the reason for Edge freezing. Whenever I'm connected to my company's particular VPN it freezes.
    03-25-2018 11:00 PM
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