05-13-2013 05:45 PM
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  1. WavingReds's Avatar
    I had an iPad 3 and it was a wonderful device, but the honeymoon was very short. When all is said and done, a Surface Pro gets more done. Any Windows tablet (x86) can replace a laptop but the same cannot be said of an iPad, Android, TouchPad or any ARM-based tablet. If web surfing, email or social networking is all you do, you can get that done on a PDA or iPod Touch and pocket some Benjamins. Everybody's needs are different which is why there are so many different devices. Gee, why didn't I think of that?
    If only there was just once device that did it all and morphed into the device you desire for the time being. If only right.
    05-08-2013 04:39 PM
  2. anon5664829's Avatar
    And still companies and homes continually use Office instead of Pages, it's a mystery!
    You do realise that pages is Apple exclusive right? Secondly for me I just export the pages doc as a docx and me and my teachers have no issues transferring files.
    05-08-2013 09:39 PM
  3. anon5664829's Avatar
    It is obvious that you did not read my reply thoroughly and assumed that I do not own an iPad.

    In truth, I do own an iPad and I am ABSOLUTELY frustratedly bored with it and it is currently sitting on the coffee table as a paper weight.

    Yes I do know about these apps and have used these "amazing productive" apps and yet still frustrated with them.
    We, clearly have different needs.
    My phone is a Nexus 4, customised beast-because my phone is my main phone.
    My tablet is my iPad 4, for web surfing google plussing, some light pages editing,news and Youtube(also iMessages)
    And finally my laptop is a MacBook Pro which plays very nicely with my iPad.
    So as you can see we have VERY different needs.
    05-08-2013 09:47 PM
  4. anon5664829's Avatar
    So handling documents is the only productive thing people do? Will pages let me compile a C# application like visual studio? Or edit something in Photoshop. Or hook up a usb scanner or printer. That's why surface pro exists. Some people want a device they can do real work on not edit a word doc.
    Define "real work" what I do is just as real work as you.
    05-08-2013 09:49 PM
  5. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    Its funny why everyone is saying surface is iPad competitor.

    If u ask my parents or any other older generations , they will pick iPad closing their eyes because Its far more easier to use.Its like comparing Console and PC , ..............and saying that "my pc can this while console can't......"

    It involves no mess or complexity to operate.Surface is technically a computer.

    MS can never convince public with surface as of now because only people interested in surface are young generations like us.
    05-08-2013 09:58 PM
  6. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    You do realise that pages is Apple exclusive right? Secondly for me I just export the pages doc as a docx and me and my teachers have no issues transferring files.
    The issue, for me, is being able to exchange complex documents between team members and myself. Exchanging back and forth without converting/exporting the documents each time. This is especially important when there is only one evolving document in the cloud and several people are accessing it to work on it. I'm skeptical that Pages would do this.
    05-08-2013 10:59 PM
  7. anon(5335877)'s Avatar
    You don't have an iPad.
    Because if you did then you would know about pages and the other amazing productivity apps.
    Word processing isn't the only thing some people do.

    What an idiotic statement I am in no way frustrated with my iPad.
    Just because you aren't frustrated doesn't mean there aren't people who are.

    Its funny why everyone is saying surface is iPad competitor.

    If u ask my parents or any other older generations , they will pick iPad closing their eyes because Its far more easier to use.Its like comparing Console and PC , ..............and saying that "my pc can this while console can't......"

    It involves no mess or complexity to operate.Surface is technically a computer.

    MS can never convince public with surface as of now because only people interested in surface are young generations like us.
    Couldn't the iPad and our smartphones technically be classified as computers too?

    Computer - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    05-08-2013 11:35 PM
  8. theefman's Avatar
    Its funny why everyone is saying surface is iPad competitor.

    If u ask my parents or any other older generations , they will pick iPad closing their eyes because Its far more easier to use.Its like comparing Console and PC , ..............and saying that "my pc can this while console can't......"

    It involves no mess or complexity to operate.Surface is technically a computer.

    MS can never convince public with surface as of now because only people interested in surface are young generations like us.
    People pick ipads because its what they know, what they are told to want, what the cool kids use and what the apple-biased tech press recommends. Its no more easier to use than any other OS you learn to use for the first time, but Microsoft's OS somehow is so hard chickens will lay a golden egg before they will use it.
    05-09-2013 10:15 AM
  9. Bob Hoil's Avatar
    I think the first issue in this whole topic is the fact that the surface pro is indeed a competitor to the iPad. The surface rt is also a competitor. Just because they are based on different architecture doesn't mean they are on different levels.
    Being a programmer I personally would have no use for an iPad as they are limited in that area. That means I wouldn't be able to get the work done I need, so I would opt for a surface pro even with the price difference.
    05-09-2013 10:24 AM
  10. broar94's Avatar
    Surface wins hands down as it's far more productive. iPad is just a stupid tablet, meant for doing simple tasks like internet browsing, playing games, listening to music on the go, etc. It's extremely restrictive and even typing on the touch keyboard is a pain in the a$$ for sure!
    05-09-2013 12:02 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Surface wins hands down as it's far more productive. iPad is just a stupid tablet, meant for doing simple tasks like internet browsing, playing games, listening to music on the go, etc. It's extremely restrictive and even typing on the touch keyboard is a pain in the a$$ for sure!
    I wouldn't go as far as calling it a stupid tablet. It does have some very good apps for the enterprise crowd, particularly the AutoCAD app from AutoDesk. That said, the Surface is more productive if you rely on peripherals because of its x86 architecture. Also, if selling millions of tablets worldwide and making a small mint in Wall Street is the result of a "stupid" tablet, I want to make a retarded tablet.

    BTW, before I get hammered for using the word retarded, please know that I am the father of a beautiful autistic girl, AKA Daddy's Princess.
    05-09-2013 04:11 PM
  12. dgr_874's Avatar
    Surface wins hands down as it's far more productive. iPad is just a stupid tablet, meant for doing simple tasks like internet browsing, playing games, listening to music on the go, etc. It's extremely restrictive and even typing on the touch keyboard is a pain in the a$$ for sure!
    Sure, it may be more productive, but as a consumption device it's lacking. Most people that I come across watch more movies, play more games, and listen to music far more often they they have to type up a word document in office. For consumption, nothing beats the iPad right now. Apps are better, music integration is better, and games are better. If Microsoft can fix the consumption side they will have a winner.
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    05-09-2013 06:20 PM
  13. oldpueblo's Avatar
    Sure, it may be more productive, but as a consumption device it's lacking. Most people that I come across watch more movies, play more games, and listen to music far more often they they have to type up a word document in office. For consumption, nothing beats the iPad right now. Apps are better, music integration is better, and games are better. If Microsoft can fix the consumption side they will have a winner.
    If we're talking consumption then it gets even worse for the iPad because there are many strong Android tablets that are as good or better in more scenarios for less money. Why do you think they were forced to make the iPad Mini?
    Dazzi likes this.
    05-09-2013 06:46 PM
  14. Nick_1020's Avatar
    Hi Mr Gates, do you mind if I call you Bill?

    My name is Nick920, but you can call me Nick.

    I cannot speak for the many, many millions of iPad users as I've never felt the need to buy an iPad but I can tell you that I own a Nokia Lumia 920 and at times I feel extremely frustrated with it.

    Please stop dicking around with 'phoney wars' and concentrate on making the 920 'the world's most innovative smartphone' that was promised last year.

    Thanks.

    Nick(920)
    05-09-2013 07:07 PM
  15. anon(5335877)'s Avatar
    Hi Mr Gates, do you mind if I call you Bill?

    My name is Nick920, but you can call me Nick.

    I cannot speak for the many, many millions of iPad users as I've never felt the need to buy an iPad but I can tell you that I own a Nokia Lumia 920 and at times I feel extremely frustrated with it.

    Please stop dicking around with 'phoney wars' and concentrate on making the 920 'the world's most innovative smartphone' that was promised last year.

    Thanks.

    Nick(920)
    I thought that was Nokia's claim.
    05-09-2013 07:22 PM
  16. dgr_874's Avatar
    If we're talking consumption then it gets even worse for the iPad because there are many strong Android tablets that are as good or better in more scenarios for less money. Why do you think they were forced to make the iPad Mini?
    I can kind of see your point. That kindle fire with the HD screen for 200 buck is pretty hard to beat. But nobody has the media rights that apple does for it's store. Many people like the one store for all my purchases that apple has.
    05-09-2013 08:27 PM
  17. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    People pick ipads because its what they know, what they are told to want, what the cool kids use and what the apple-biased tech press recommends. Its no more easier to use than any other OS you learn to use for the first time, but Microsoft's OS somehow is so hard chickens will lay a golden egg before they will use it.
    Lets look at reality here :
    This is John Gruber post I am linking , even though he is apple fanboy , his analysis is very good.Just read it in view of a normal consumer.

    http://daringfireball.net/2012/06/su...hardware_place

    How can consumer be aware when MS is too lazy to reveal anything about product or too bad at advertising.

    Recent Lumia ad showed nothing about WP instead preached that iOS and Android is used by all.

    Just think about it as an average consumer who watches the Ad , Only people over Internet can get that humor in the Ad.

    They don't sell surface in more than 10 countries.
    No wonder why Surface is a flop.

    I wanted surface but no way to get it because its not available anywhere.

    As much as I like MS , I also hate them for poor execution.

    Its nothing wrong with press recommending iPad because its available in ALMOST EVERY COUNTRY worldwide.
    05-09-2013 11:12 PM
  18. wcrm's Avatar
    Back to which tool is best for the job.

    iPad is like a microwave. If you want something quick and light, it's the way to go. Easiest way to make a cup of tea. You can use it to make Thanksgiving dinner, but you will be frustrated.

    The Surface RT is a toaster oven.

    Surface Pro is a range. It's the best tool to make that Thanksgiving dinner. But to warm up a cup of water for some tea? It's a bit overkill.
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    05-10-2013 01:52 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Back to which tool is best for the job.

    iPad is like a microwave. If you want something quick and light, it's the way to go. Easiest way to make a cup of tea. You can use it to make Thanksgiving dinner, but you will be frustrated.

    The Surface RT is a toaster oven.

    Surface Pro is a range. It's the best tool to make that Thanksgiving dinner. But to warm up a cup of water for some tea? It's a bit overkill.
    Very good analogy. Problem is, there's folks out there like my ex-wife who think they can cook with a microwave.
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    05-10-2013 11:09 AM
  20. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    You don't have an iPad.
    Because if you did then you would know about pages and the other amazing productivity apps.
    Okay, I'm going to let you continue...

    but calling Pages 'amazing' is pushing the bounds of reality.
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    05-10-2013 12:33 PM
  21. Ridlah's Avatar
    Well users who transition from a PC or Macbook might struggle a little with the tablet you gotta keep in mind that the tablets that existed back there were just touch screen laptops with fans and CD drives, and CEO's always say stuff about competing products even if they don't mean it to make their products sell or compete more. I think the iPad did a significant job innovating what windows 8 tablets are today compared to what they use to be.
    05-10-2013 12:44 PM
  22. bjd223's Avatar
    Define "real work" what I do is just as real work as you.
    every device I have ever used can edit a word document. This includes pcs tablets and phones. If all you have to do for work; is work with a few office formats than that's fine. However you must realize that most professional content creators use either PhotoShop, autocad, or visual studio daily. They also like to input output media via peripherals that simply don't work on arm tablets. Anyway don't take this the wrong way but you could do your entire job on a 3 year old android phone. That is not typical of most people.
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    05-10-2013 01:43 PM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    every device I have ever used can edit a word document. This includes pcs tablets and phones. If all you have to do for work; is work with a few office formats than that's fine. However you must realize that most professional content creators use either PhotoShop, autocad, or visual studio daily. They also like to input output media via peripherals that simply don't work on arm tablets. Anyway don't take this the wrong way but you could do your entire job on a 3 year old android phone. That is not typical of most people.
    Not to mention that when you view or edit docs on a phone or ARM-based tablet, now what? What printer do you send it to? Just changed some X references on a CAD drawing, how do you distribute it? Any x86 convertible will let you plug in an external CD burner. Shoot, most tablets aren't even capable of USB hosting if you needed to get something off a thumb drive.
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    05-10-2013 03:21 PM
  24. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    Wifi printers solve issues.

    If someone is seriously considering AutoCAD , Photoshop , he should opt for laptop like Macbook Pro/Windows equivalent laptop.

    I don't see the actual point of surface.

    I see surface more as a balance between netbook and high end laptop but as a tablet , iPad does its job well.
    05-11-2013 08:02 AM
  25. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Wifi printers solve issues.

    If someone is seriously considering AutoCAD , Photoshop , he should opt for laptop like Macbook Pro/Windows equivalent laptop.

    I don't see the actual point of surface.

    I see surface more as a balance between netbook and high end laptop but as a tablet , iPad does its job well.
    The point is one device to do everything.

    A person -could- buy an iPad to do some things and a notebook to do other, but that's more expensive than just buying ONE Surface.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    05-11-2013 09:30 AM
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