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  1. Zimmermann's Avatar
    Just for fun I came back on this forum today. I ditched my Lumia 930 and bought myself an iPhone 6s. God how happy I am. It works, has no battery issues, movies work, apps work, no sudden reboots... You know what, the only reason I miss my Lumia is that it is somewhat boring. Nothing ever goes wrong...
    05-25-2016 10:22 AM
  2. infosage's Avatar
    Satya Nadella was named Microsoft CEO February 2014. What was the Microsoft Mobile world like before he started? Well here's an article to remind everyone from January 2014: Kantar data shows Windows Phone holding 10% sale share in EU5

    Basically, Nadella has crushed Microsoft Mobile with bad strategic and tactical decisions. He thought he could drop Windows Mobile OS and devices, but deliver services on Android and iOS that people would use. He was completely and utterly wrong. People are strongly biased to use the services native to OS.

    Nadella's complete failure on "Mobile First":
    Microsoft?s Office Being Dominated by Google Productivity Apps on Mobile? - WinBuzzer

    So not only did Nadella kill Microsoft Mobile OS and devices, his strategy is killing Microsoft in Mobile services too.

    PC's continue to be on the decline, while the area Nadella abandoned (phones) are on still on the rise. Phones are the consumer IT of the present and future. Running to the Enterprise will only protect him until the new Android/Google users become decision makers in companies. Once that generation is in control of the enterprise decisions, Microsoft will be done.

    In other words, if leaders of a company use Android phones, Chrome, Gmail, Google, etc. for their personal devices, they will be strongly biased to chose Google services and products (stuff they are comfortable with) for the Enterprises they run. IBM already learned this lesson decision makers chose Microsoft products (stuff they used at home), but Microsoft (and specifically Nadella) didn't learn from IBM's painful decline from relevance.

    Look, everyone loved Nadella when he started, but every new CEO gets a honeymoon period, and that takes the stocks to unreasonable heights based on speculation of future greatness. Remember when Mayer took over at Yahoo? However, it is clear to see that Nadella has already made too many mistakes. The stock is starting to slide, Nadella abandoned Mobile, while PC's decline. How long before Google fans become enterprise decision makers, and Microsoft fails in Cloud and Enterprise too? It will take 5-10 years for Microsoft to recover from his 2 year term, and that would be if they fired him today.
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    05-25-2016 11:07 AM
  3. fares bouhafs's Avatar
    i think if u r an app lover so u should try to pick an android device(not all of as can buy an iphone:) but if u like me just want basic apps windows phone is a great choice.
    Bittah Pupil likes this.
    05-25-2016 11:11 AM
  4. Lloyd_S's Avatar
    I've been on Windows Phone since the WP7 days and really love the platform, but I have also had a second device running Android (HTC M8) for the past two years as well. Windows 10 Mobile is probably the best OS I've used over the years and I love it....but.....

    Lately my Lumia 950 is becoming unreliable. I was using Fast Ring for awhile but reinstalled the OS to get to production as after about 2 weeks of use I would have issues. I am currently running 10586.318, for the third time. Wait, did I say third time? Yep! I have had to reinstall the OS twice using the Device Recovery Tool because after 2 or so weeks of normal use the device starts acting up again.

    Usually apps start crashing for no reason. Data signals drop or disappear for no reason in high-signal areas. Bluetooth connections to automobile or headsets take longer to connect even after being paired for some time, or even don't connect at all. The device locks up/freezes and soft-resets or battery removal is needed to get the device running. GPS signals don't connect. eBooks in Audible skip. Multiple restarts are needed during the day to "reset" everything and 50% of the time my SD Card isn't recognized on the restart and I need to wait for the phone to scan it to load my apps. Outlook email sync to Exchange doesn't always happen to the set sync schedule. Cortana is dead....period. Useless. Quiet hours work sometimes and to get them to return I have to change the times. And the list goes on...

    Sad things is all this is corrected when I reinstall the OS, but I don't want to keep reinstalling every 2 or 3 weeks. A person shouldn't have to do this, ever. Because of this I am thinking of using Android full time and getting the S7 Edge.

    I love W10M, I really do, but I don't like an unreliable experience. I love the L950 and especially it's camera, but I don't love not knowing if the phone will work or if I'll get my email. I am absolutely in love with the W10M email app and how email looks exactly as it does on my PC....but again that love can only go so far when emails aren't coming in. And the app gap does bother me some as I have to tether my Android phone to my L950 to do online banking, expense reports, or use it at home to control TV, stereo, and cable box. The only device my L950 will connect to is my Xbox One, but guess what, Android does that too....

    You make it tough to love you W10M and even harder to not stray.... I want to love you, but I want to be loved back.
    Last edited by Lloyd_S; 05-26-2016 at 10:12 AM.
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    05-25-2016 12:04 PM
  5. Ricardo Gonzalez5's Avatar
    Microsoft doesn't know about manufacturing hardware just look the evidenced with "nokia", which does very well is software, Windows 10 and universal platform is a Hit, today is difficult to understand but when everything is more connected, to have just one platform for to do all things, like work or school or fun, will be WIN for Microsoft that envisioned this strategy. Windows 10 Phone needs to adapt its operating system at least one cell of each representative brand, for example if samsung do a new S8 need to come out in Android version and Windows version at the same time and also with a lo t other different brands, is the only way for win more market (windows phone) also Microsoft need to focus on making a single unique phone by brand Microsoft and need to be, the most beautiful, the fastest, the most innovative cell phone (Surface phone with intel core M), if not only continue to make software.
    05-25-2016 12:53 PM
  6. Jason Rosenthal's Avatar
    300 HUNDRED MILLION SO FAR
    I like your enthusiasm! But that number is less than the number of new android activations per quarter. Android is growing at least twice as fast as Windows.
    theefman and dellaster like this.
    05-25-2016 01:16 PM
  7. libra89's Avatar
    I ditched my Lumia 930 and bought myself an iPhone 6s. God how happy I am. It works, has no battery issues, movies work, apps work, no sudden reboots... You know what, the only reason I miss my Lumia is that it is somewhat boring. Nothing ever goes wrong...
    This is my issue. I like that things work the way they should almost all of the time, but it's also boring. I was very disappointed that Cortana on W10M crashes on song discovery. That was one of my favorite things about her in 8.1.
    05-25-2016 01:27 PM
  8. eddydu's Avatar
    Yeah I had a 1520 for a while and switched to a note 4. Apps even the microsoft ones run better on android, and windows phone 10 is still kinda a mess in my opinion, but it needs to have more of the apps android and IOS have
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    05-25-2016 02:01 PM
  9. Talldog's Avatar
    My wife and I have Lumia 822s that are over 3 years old. Not gonna waste money on new Lumias and just not ready to switch. We're hoping these will hold on until the Surface Phone comes out. Come next spring, we're either going to have Surface Phones or iPhones.
    05-25-2016 06:24 PM
  10. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    My wife and I have Lumia 822s that are over 3 years old. Not gonna waste money on new Lumias and just not ready to switch. We're hoping these will hold on until the Surface Phone comes out. Come next spring, we're either going to have Surface Phones or iPhones.
    Our family has two 822. They are great phones and meet our needs and more.
    I was liking your comment, up until the zinger at the very end. There may be other choices.
    Best wishes.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 05-26-2016 at 06:27 AM.
    05-25-2016 10:43 PM
  11. Talldog's Avatar
    Our family has two 822. They are great phones and meet our needs and more.
    I was liking your comment, up until the zinger at the very end. There may be other choices.
    Best wishes.
    We used to have Android phones (Samsung Fascinates), until Google decided to screw Microsoft's customers by breaking Exchange ActiveSync. We turned our back on them, and I'd never go back to Android unless I could do it without any Google services. Like a Cyanogen/Microsoft phone with access to apps outside of Google Play. I'd hop on that.
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    05-26-2016 10:51 AM
  12. chmun77's Avatar
    We used to have Android phones (Samsung Fascinates), until Google decided to screw Microsoft's customers by breaking Exchange ActiveSync. We turned our back on them, and I'd never go back to Android unless I could do it without any Google services. Like a Cyanogen/Microsoft phone with access to apps outside of Google Play. I'd hop on that.
    Well, if you are not a fan of Google services, it doesn't even matter to you if Google broke ActiveSync or not, right? Since you are not a fan of Android, just stay with windows phone and MS services will do fine. On the other hand, I get to enjoy MS services along with Google services on both Android as well as on iOS. I'm not sure about you, but I will rather turn my back on windows phone than suffering on this dying platform just because Google broke Exchange ActiveSync. To me, all that matters is for the platform to serve me well, I don't care whether it is Apple, Google or Microsoft.
    05-26-2016 08:48 PM
  13. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Well, if you are not a fan of Google services, it doesn't even matter to you if Google broke ActiveSync or not, right? Since you are not a fan of Android, just stay with windows phone and MS services will do fine. On the other hand, I get to enjoy MS services along with Google services on both Android as well as on iOS. I'm not sure about you, but I will rather turn my back on windows phone than suffering on this dying platform just because Google broke Exchange ActiveSync. To me, all that matters is for the platform to serve me well, I don't care whether it is Apple, Google or Microsoft.
    Re: "Chmun77":
    Respectfully, I think you should re-read the many many past / previous post comments. You may have misunderstood / confused "Talldog" and other comments.

    Or not? Just saying, people make choices for their own reasons.

    Best Wishes, it's all good.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 05-26-2016 at 10:23 PM.
    05-26-2016 10:10 PM
  14. Mindi B's Avatar
    Indeed.... The next thing we know is that Terry quits too. LOL!
    He'll be back in 2017 as a "rebooted version" lol

    I miss my Lumia 1020, I miss the fantastic WM8.1 OS (not joking) and wonderful Cortana. But lack of Apps finally made me buy a Nexus 6. Android 6.0.1 is not perfect, but with WM10 dead and the industry has clearly moved on, everyone clinging to WM10 are just deniers...its sad. If microsoft had gotten the iOS app converter going like 2 years ago, I would have held on...
    I used to practically gasp everytime I pulled my Lumia 1520 to use it. Half the time I'd be distracted by the phone and the OS versus actually USING it lol. I miss those days :(

    My wife and I have Lumia 822s that are over 3 years old. Not gonna waste money on new Lumias and just not ready to switch. We're hoping these will hold on until the Surface Phone comes out. Come next spring, we're either going to have Surface Phones or iPhones.
    Honestly you're better off moving on. The Surface phone will suffer from the same issues that Windows mobile's ecosystem currently does, which is, THERE IS NO ECOSYSTEM. Furthermore, the OS will still be unstable. let's be honest, this is MS here, the OS isn't going to be stable in a years time.

    Choose Android or iOS, and enjoy spending money on something which works.

    Its NOT dead.

    Its only just starting. And you really need to understand and be clear what your talking actually about.

    Blah blah, garbage garbage ....
    You realise you've replied with a typical fanboy rant that does nothing than try to psychoanalyse a grain of sand on a beach? That almost put me to sleep like one of the 8-part essays entitled "Why Windows Phone isn't dead".

    I don't like pulling this card, but I've been working in telcommunications engineering for 15 years now - YOU need to take a good hard look at what's going on in the mobile technology sphere OUTSIDE of Microsoft. THAT is where the market is thriving, THAT is where the demand is, and THAT is where the technologies are being utilised in every day life.

    Your post is a razor sharp mirror image of MS's own approach to mobile which has landed them in the very situation they're in.
    Last edited by Mindi B; 05-26-2016 at 11:32 PM.
    05-26-2016 11:18 PM
  15. Talldog's Avatar
    Well, if you are not a fan of Google services, it doesn't even matter to you if Google broke ActiveSync or not, right?
    Actually, it did. We were Gmail and Android users when we switched from iPad the original Surface Pro and discovered that we were hosed because Google decided to put its feud with MS ahead of the needs of its customers. We ended up moving from Gmail to Outlook and from Android to Windows Phone. If we have to switch again, it will be to IOS.
    05-27-2016 04:08 AM
  16. Talldog's Avatar
    Honestly you're better off moving on. The Surface phone will suffer from the same issues that Windows mobile's ecosystem currently does, which is, THERE IS NO ECOSYSTEM. Furthermore, the OS will still be unstable. let's be honest, this is MS here, the OS isn't going to be stable in a years time.

    Choose Android or iOS, and enjoy spending money on something which works.
    You may be right, but we're in no rush. We're big fans of Surface (having gone from Surface Pro to SP3 to Surface Book) and by the time the Surface Phone comes out, we should have a pretty good idea of where universal apps are going.
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    05-27-2016 04:16 AM
  17. Pratham Sarwate's Avatar
    Long time Windows and Lumia supporter here.
    Currently on my 5th Lumia phone (710->520->925->730->640).
    Got a lot of people (at least 15) to buy a Lumia too, only 2 of which remain.

    With a rather sad heart, I ordered my Moto G Plus today. It'll arrive tomorrow.
    Things have changed a lot since I joined the Windows community back in 2012.
    It not just the apps (which are a big cause, still). It's also the general state of the platform and how Microsoft is switching it's focus.
    I wish them all the best in their endeavours in the enterprise sector.
    But, I clearly see no presence of Windows 10 Mobile in the consumer space anywhere in the near future. Microsoft is making no phones. OEMs are not picking up the baton either.

    Besides, regardless of how much I've loved Windows (Phone, mostly), I have to admit that the competitors have taken the clear lead. There's no future now.
    And even though the Live Tiles are probably the best home interface there is, the rest of the OS requires a lot of work to use. It is not stable either.

    My main reason for finally switching is that I want to focus on working now. I want a for that works for me, not one that needs me to make it work.
    It was a hard call, but I had to take it.

    Android is really smooth since Marshmallow came out. The app support for it isn't going anywhere. It feels like a safer place to be.

    I'll still be watching the Windows space, although with much lesser enthusiasm than I did before. Maybe I'll be back some day.

    Cheers! :)
    05-27-2016 08:11 AM
  18. Mindi B's Avatar
    You may be right, but we're in no rush. We're big fans of Surface (having gone from Surface Pro to SP3 to Surface Book) and by the time the Surface Phone comes out, we should have a pretty good idea of where universal apps are going.
    I think I speak for many here when I say: "let's hope it's somewhere".

    MS have an excellent vision for mobile. But we need to see them put it into action. Sadly, it doesn't appear like that's ever going to happen. People only have a certain amount of patience, and as market stats clearly show, that time has come and gone...

    EDIT / slight tangent: I was going to grab a SP4, but for the price I found a better bang for buck in a Dell XPS 13. Windows 10 on this thing is an absolute DREAM.
    05-27-2016 09:24 AM
  19. libra89's Avatar
    Trying out the Sony Xperia Z3 and it is awesome how you can set Cortana as default for home search.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    05-27-2016 11:10 PM
  20. Guytronic's Avatar
    Trying out the Sony Xperia Z3
    Where'd you get the Z3 from?
    I bought one from E-Bay and sent it back because it was damaged.
    05-27-2016 11:22 PM
  21. Kevin Hill2's Avatar
    OK, I did it, my LG5 will be here in a few days. It was one of the hardest tech decisions I have ever made, I love Windows 10 on my PC, but 10 mobile is a mess, some of is great but in general it is a mess. When the actual phone feature does not work right they have a problem. From Lackluster phones to the buggy software, with lots of promises of something better on the way, well Microsoft is good at promises, from unlimited storage on Onedrive to all older Windows phones will be upgraded to Windows 10 and now they are not even going to build Lumias anymore. But they hint at a Surface phone and I'm sure it will have a Surface price tag. I'm going to miss it, but the Lifeboats are launching and I'm getting on one.
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    05-28-2016 01:02 AM
  22. xxpatrioticxx's Avatar
    Unfortunately, today was both a day of improvement and loss for me.

    My switch to the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge today was not started by the layoffs, the cuts, the lack of support, etc., but rather my Lumia 1520 having some serious battery issues with Win10 Mobile. However, when weighing my options, I found myself having one that I felt was needed at this point in time.

    I've only owned two smartphones in my life, both of them being Windows Phone. I've always loved the community, compassion, and enthusiasm behind it, but I simply don't know if it's there anymore. I love Windows Phone and always will. I've had a lot of memories with it that I won't forget. I don't blame Microsoft or anyone else specifically for my switch, but I knew it had to be done at some point sooner or later.

    05-28-2016 01:24 AM
  23. Jazmac's Avatar
    You aren't left with much of a choice. Microsoft says they are putting phones on standby until 2017 so what do you do in the meantime? I don't expect MS thinks we'll all be Hachiko and wait until them to return. If they have a product we want, we'll buy then.
    05-28-2016 02:53 AM
  24. chmun77's Avatar
    Wise choice made. Leave before the ship sinks to the rock bottom.
    05-28-2016 04:05 AM
  25. chmun77's Avatar
    Actually, it did. We were Gmail and Android users when we switched from iPad the original Surface Pro and discovered that we were hosed because Google decided to put its feud with MS ahead of the needs of its customers. We ended up moving from Gmail to Outlook and from Android to Windows Phone. If we have to switch again, it will be to IOS.
    Now this really puzzled me. Since you were GMail and Android to begin with, why switched over to Outlook and Windows phone? When you switched out of a platform and its services, I'm not sure if it is logical to expect the same kind of service levels from a rival platform. I may have misunderstood what you meant, but not every company will play nice like Microsoft who even make apps on other platforms.
    05-28-2016 04:15 AM
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