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  1. fpena911's Avatar
    I read through this whole thread late last week as I was on the fence as to whether I wanted to continue with the Lumia series or go with a Samsung S6.

    I was so close to going with the Samsung but then looked at this way - I've been on Windows mobile for the last three years and haven't really had a significant problem with the app gap. I have a Samsung tablet at home and a iPod for music so why not continue with the conveniences I've learned to appreciate with the Windows system? I love how these phones are so tightly integrated with my PC at home and how well the OneDrive seamlessly works in the background.

    Sure there are instances where I'd like to have access to some more apps but it's not really impacting my daily routine so no big deal for me. Also my local AT&T store had a special going where I could add a Surface 3 Tablet for under $200 if I purchased the 950. So I took the plunge and figured if it doesn't get better then I'll consider moving when the next upgrade round comes up.

    Although I had an email setup issue with my phone that I just resolved yesterday, I'm happy with my choice. The new phone is a joy to use and I don't feel like I'm missing anything yet. It's different yet familiar enough where I'm able to fall back into my routine. For me the app gap does exist but it's not like it changed with Windows 10 significantly, it's the same as it was for Windows 8.1 so if it improves then great - if not then I knew what I was getting into so no big deal.
    12-08-2015 09:42 AM
  2. garak0410's Avatar
    Irony in people abandoning the platform but wanting and hoping the apps come. But we need the users....lmfao. Logic. :)

    I could never abandon the os entirely lol
    I've had to. Too many of what our family does needs those apps...case and point...Amazon Echo...there is no Alexa app for WIndows phone and if you tried a mobile site for it, it takes you to a download page for iOS or Google Play. One of many examples...

    I want to be all in with Microsoft just to have better, most complete interaction between my Windows 10 PC, Surface Pro 4, XBOX and Phone. But sadly, I do like the convenience of the apps on my Android Phone and it works fairly well with my Windows Universe. I am just really liking the freedom of having more options since with Microsoft, they either take away something we like or say "wait and see!". :(
    12-08-2015 09:43 AM
  3. X-topher's Avatar
    All you Android Noobs beware! I have been a Android user from the beginning expect a major drop in Quality, The Windows phone geeks on these forums have no idea of the level of bugs and technical issues that comes with Android. The O/S reminds me of Windows 95 and plug n play... great in theory but a nightmare in practice(it has taken Microsoft 20 years to iron out that concept).So no matter what phone you will buy it will come with an inherent bug for example my S5 went thru 3 sim card readers 2 mainboards and one screen all down to the o/s locking and heating the battery up that hot the circuitry fails, so when I upgraded to windows phone last week I have virtually a brand new S5 which now has a new bug where the security pin numbers turn into white squares. You can instantly right off 70% of android apps as complete rubbish and you only dare trust the recognized apps due to androids non security. Also it has been discovered data packets on every google platform/device are intercepted by a mysterious google exchange. What happens there nobody knows, google have not yet commented... I have removed all traces of google from my devices...
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    12-08-2015 10:02 AM
  4. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I've had to. Too many of what our family does needs those apps...case and point...Amazon Echo...there is no Alexa app for WIndows phone and if you tried a mobile site for it, it takes you to a download page for iOS or Google Play. One of many examples...

    I want to be all in with Microsoft just to have better, most complete interaction between my Windows 10 PC, Surface Pro 4, XBOX and Phone. But sadly, I do like the convenience of the apps on my Android Phone and it works fairly well with my Windows Universe. I am just really liking the freedom of having more options since with Microsoft, they either take away something we like or say "wait and see!". :(
    It makes zero sense to me to leave an Os you enjoy and love simply for apps on an OS most of you either don't like or settling for. Id get an ipod touch before abandoning the platform entirely for the few times I need any particular app.
    Or a cheap android phone. Because I know that in order for Microsoft to get any success, I should support them. Then again these are the same people who if and when Microsoft picks up steam will come back bashing android and acting as if they had been here every step of the way lmao.
    12-08-2015 10:21 AM
  5. X-topher's Avatar
    there is no Alexa app for WIndows phone and if you tried a mobile site for it, it takes you to a download page for iOS or Google Play. One of many examples...:(
    This Alexa app doesn't seem like it needs constant attention, it is a convenience app that isn't a must need on a phone especially if it is spying on you spying on other people ;)
    Last edited by X-topher; 12-08-2015 at 11:02 AM.
    12-08-2015 10:41 AM
  6. garak0410's Avatar
    This Alexa app doesn't seem like it needs constant attention, it is a convenience app that isn't a must need on a phone especially if it is spying on you spying on other people ;)
    We use the heck out of the Grocery List we speak to Alexa and which shows up in the Alexa app...if it would sync with OneDrive, that would be a plus for Windows Phone users...
    12-08-2015 11:18 AM
  7. garak0410's Avatar
    It makes zero sense to me to leave an Os you enjoy and love simply for apps on an OS most of you either don't like or settling for. Id get an ipod touch before abandoning the platform entirely for the few times I need any particular app.
    Or a cheap android phone. Because I know that in order for Microsoft to get any success, I should support them. Then again these are the same people who if and when Microsoft picks up steam will come back bashing android and acting as if they had been here every step of the way lmao.
    Trying to de-gadget...got too many and don't want multiple gadgets...I still fire up my Lumia ICON to load the latest builds and check out any new apps that come but do not want to carry multiple devices. Since getting a Note 5, I've sold my Dell Venue 8 Pro Windows Tablet and I don't pick up my Surface Pro 4 much as a tablet but still use it as my main PC.
    Last edited by garak0410; 12-09-2015 at 02:17 PM.
    12-08-2015 11:20 AM
  8. X-topher's Avatar
    We use the heck out of the Grocery List we speak to Alexa and which shows up in the Alexa app...if it would sync with OneDrive, that would be a plus for Windows Phone users...
    It certainly looks like an app that Microsoft should be targeting to get on the universal program...
    12-08-2015 11:59 AM
  9. mazzmond's Avatar
    I picked up a Nexus 5X yesterday and just transferred over to Android myself. Been with Windows since Windows phone 7 (HTC Trophy). I still have a few windows phone and will keep seeing how things develop but it just got to me as well. I feel like i just entered the future...I can actually get and use apps! Most are specific to me (garmin, strava, wahoo, fitness apps) which were never available on windows phone and just make life easier. Trust me I much much much prefer the Windows mobile OS but there comes a point (when Chase bank abandoned windows phone) that it's easier to just switch phones rather than change my whole life for things that work in the windows ecosystem.

    I haven't used an android device since version 2.x and it is much better. Facebook actually is useful and works! I'm actually stunned how easy things are to be honest. I fought the fight for many many years but it just seems like every year it got worse and not better with windows mobile. I'm hoping they change things but I'm betting only further slide of market share in the U.S. unfortunately.
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    12-08-2015 02:21 PM
  10. MikeSo's Avatar
    This Alexa app doesn't seem like it needs constant attention, it is a convenience app that isn't a must need on a phone especially if it is spying on you spying on other people ;)
    One app for convenience isn't a "must need". Two apps, not that either. But when it's three, four, five, six, ten, fifteen apps all of a sudden that do neat and convenient little things... it adds up.

    "Many little streams make a mighty river" as the saying goes.
    12-08-2015 02:33 PM
  11. Steve Thackery's Avatar
    They've shelved the Android one and AFAIK the iOS one is still in the early days of usability yet.
    Yes, that's true! I think they might be wise in focussing just on iOS, because if an apps worth having then it'll be on iOS. The extra coverage you get by including Android is probably not worth it. I hope they get the iOS solution working OK. (Sadly, I still don't believe it will deliver what Microsoft is so desperately hoping for.)
    12-08-2015 04:49 PM
  12. cracgor's Avatar
    Yes, that's true! I think they might be wise in focussing just on iOS, because if an apps worth having then it'll be on iOS. The extra coverage you get by including Android is probably not worth it. I hope they get the iOS solution working OK. (Sadly, I still don't believe it will deliver what Microsoft is so desperately hoping for.)
    I think the benefit to the android plan was that the apps would be able to load without any effort from the developers. The problem with the IOS plan in my understanding is you will still need the developers to recompile their apps. Though if I'm wrong I'm sure I can count on someone to tell me.
    12-08-2015 06:12 PM
  13. X-topher's Avatar
    One app for convenience isn't a "must need". Two apps, not that either. But when it's three, four, five, six, ten, fifteen apps all of a sudden that do neat and convenient little things... it adds up.

    "Many little streams make a mighty river" as the saying goes.
    For example?
    12-09-2015 05:43 AM
  14. X-topher's Avatar
    I think the benefit to the android plan was that the apps would be able to load without any effort from the developers. The problem with the IOS plan in my understanding is you will still need the developers to recompile their apps. Though if I'm wrong I'm sure I can count on someone to tell me.
    Why would they bother with this baloney? they have a 100 million win 10 users, a 100 million enterprise customers that will port in 2016 and they have 50 million x box users? You guys are underestimating the power of the universal app... Apple have shot themselves in the foot because at the end of the day ios is a operating system that is made for toys and will never be anything more. This has lead to many high end software companies abandoning ship as there is no point in developing their software on the platform. Microsoft have a product which will eventually lead to a full version of win 10 on their mobile devices... Now that is where it is at
    12-09-2015 06:07 AM
  15. MikeSo's Avatar
    For example?
    Oh jeez. Really? I'm sure you've seen a mention or two of apps in this forum.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    12-09-2015 06:29 AM
  16. 920Walker's Avatar
    For example?
    The Amazon.
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    12-09-2015 06:41 AM
  17. X-topher's Avatar
    Oh jeez. Really? I'm sure you've seen a mention or two of apps in this forum.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Only Snapchat that has any real weight...
    12-09-2015 06:51 AM
  18. cracgor's Avatar
    There are lots of apps missing. Even if only 1% users will not switch because a certain app is absent, if there are 100 missing apps or broken apps, then you start running into issues with the percentage of users switching.

    Unlike many in this forum, I am more skeptical of the universal app platform. Two reasons exist. 1) the app on your phone, fridge, watch, Xbox, tv, hololens, tablet, and computer don't all work the same or make sense. Some features of a grocery store or bank app make sense to be implemented differently. 2) even though it leverages PC numbers to create demand leading to phone apps, it does not always translate to phone friendly apps. For example, making a bank app on your computer that functions like the webpage will not allow depositing checks which is the missing feature in mobile.

    Sure it is possible that an app like snapchat may come around because of it, but there are limits. The universal apps in windows 8 also did not take off.

    You could call me a Debbie downer and i am pessimistic. The difference if apple makes a universal app is that the apps everyone uses on their phone will be quick useable on the mac. In Windows 10, the app store needs to take off first on the computer, and while there are some killer apps (flstudio or baconit for example), it I slow going and most apps function more poorly than normal software (stock mail client versus outlook or the two versions of OneNote as examples) or WebPages (mytube, twitter, or facebook)
    12-09-2015 07:40 AM
  19. MikeSo's Avatar
    Only Snapchat that has any real weight...
    My point isn't that there's one single app. It's that the deficiencies of many add up.

    There have been many mentioned already. Going through every app is pointless. But OK, here's another one: the golf app I use is better and has more features in Android. Not just that one, almost every app does.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    12-09-2015 08:19 AM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I just hope all this switching will make the forums more fun to use since I don't have to scroll through the endless complaints and what not. I presume many will join up at imore or android central.
    12-09-2015 08:33 AM
  21. MikeSo's Avatar
    Unlike many in this forum, I am more skeptical of the universal app platform. Two reasons exist. 1) the app on your phone, fridge, watch, Xbox, tv, hololens, tablet, and computer don't all work the same or make sense. Some features of a grocery store or bank app make sense to be implemented differently. 2) even though it leverages PC numbers to create demand leading to phone apps, it does not always translate to phone friendly apps. For example, making a bank app on your computer that functions like the webpage will not allow depositing checks which is the missing feature in mobile.
    I am still not sure if the strategy will work, but I think it's the right one. We don't know how computing will evolve in the next few years, but what we do know is that everything becomes more mobile. Laptops are what people think of these days when they are looking to buy a computer, and they have increasingly similar functionality as cell phones. There are many apps that can be used similarly on both phones and laptops, banking apps are a good example (pretty much all laptops have cameras), so in those cases I'm thinking it will work out as Microsoft hopes.
    Of course there are many location based apps where the universal model will make little difference, but hopefully they will come too if the others are enough to drive sales of phones.
    I'm moderately optimistic, but mostly I think Microsoft really had little choice at this time.

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    12-09-2015 08:44 AM
  22. Ten Four's Avatar
    I have always argued that it is not the lack of mainstream apps that will kill Windows mobile but the lack of the little special use ones that people really, really want or need. Just for example, I'm an avid sailor and there are very good and useful nautical charting apps on both iOS and Android, and not much at all on WP. The WP ones I've tried are terrible. This is something that annoys me every weekend for six months of the year. Another more practical example is the expense app we are required to use to get reimbursed by my employer. It basically doesn't work on WP, meaning I have to go through an elaborate and annoying workaround after a business trip. Then of course there's the lack of banking apps. I personally use Ally Bank and the WP app works fine, but there is almost no choice and there are no local banks meaning I have to use two accounts when one would cover it. Stuff like that is where WP is losing, not the hardware or the basic mainstream apps.
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    12-09-2015 08:54 AM
  23. TennisGuy45's Avatar
    The Amazon.
    Are you saying Windows is missing this app or is there something wrong with it?

    I have the Amazon app on my Windows phone and it works great.
    12-09-2015 10:48 AM
  24. Jean Claude Lopez's Avatar
    I use Snapchat. I picked the habit up when I lived in the states for a year. I use it to send funny things that remind us (my friends from there) of our days together. I have it on my iPad now, but it is not ideal. An example of my Snapchat usage: Last week I was organizing a Meze (a mediterrean apperitive table with booze) and I sent out a pic of the mediterrean spirits I have bought with the message: Guess what's up! All my international friends tried to guess, and one of them was like: OHH REALLY?? MEZE?? Darnit I wanna come too! If I do that through Whatsapp, it is not the same! I miss Snapchat :(
    lol ok
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    12-09-2015 12:10 PM
  25. jhoff80's Avatar
    Obviously the apps that are needed are different for everyone. But for me... Amazon Instant Video isn't available. The Kindle app is missing features. We don't have Nook, or HBO Go, or Showtime. MLB almost didn't come out all for Windows Phone, and the version we got is limited. There's no CapitalOne app or Santander, which means no check depositing.. No JetBlue, no Starbucks, no Dunkin Donuts, we no longer have LinkedIn contact integration. I can't connect to my Fire TV using the phone, or officially use Hue lights (only through a third party). One could go on about this for quite a while, but this is off the top of my head.
    12-09-2015 12:20 PM
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