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  1. DJCBS's Avatar
    i'd love to see a water proof Lumia(or windows phone). I mean granted I dont have a major need for it but it could be fun on a Lumia to take pics under water.
    Maybe when waterproofing becomes more mainstream you'll see one (aka "when Apple does it").
    Or better yet, if Sony does what HTC did and starts releasing Xperia phones with WP in them. That would be awesome and better than having Microsoft Mobile doing anything =P
    09-02-2014 02:39 PM
  2. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    Interesting.

    What I can report from my local Verizon store is that many reps are actively recommending Windows Phone becomes of the One M8. Almost all of the reps switched their phones over this month to the M8 and they weren't forced to do so by VZW either.

    One reason is because they think Cortana is beyond cool. I showed them the new folders feature in 8.1.1 and how easy it was to use and they were wowed. Most are tired of Android and iOS, but they felt that the One M8 finally made WP8 a legit thing to recommend.

    I have asked my local reps about sales and they have each said "exceeding projections by a wide margin". I heard the same from my VZW corporate sales contact pretty much. VZW has already ordered a second run of the M8 for Windows from HTC and apparently the HTC contacts are very happy with the performance of the limited release. LG is watching with interest - and I've heard that even Samsung is as well. I never thought it possible, but Samsung has begun doing market research of Galaxy for Windows against the ATIV name - so it may actually be possible that we may see a Galaxy for Windows. It looks like if you offer an option on the same phone, people will often choose the Windows variant.

    Verizon also found that the "for Windows" badge is a much better tag than "Windows Phone", so I think that movement towards Windows badging as Threshold approaches will further help.
    09-02-2014 07:18 PM
  3. scottcraft's Avatar
    That's a great report Mr. MacPhisto!
    09-02-2014 07:31 PM
  4. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    Interesting.

    What I can report from my local Verizon store is that many reps are actively recommending Windows Phone becomes of the One M8. Almost all of the reps switched their phones over this month to the M8 and they weren't forced to do so by VZW either.

    One reason is because they think Cortana is beyond cool. I showed them the new folders feature in 8.1.1 and how easy it was to use and they were wowed. Most are tired of Android and iOS, but they felt that the One M8 finally made WP8 a legit thing to recommend.

    I have asked my local reps about sales and they have each said "exceeding projections by a wide margin". I heard the same from my VZW corporate sales contact pretty much. VZW has already ordered a second run of the M8 for Windows from HTC and apparently the HTC contacts are very happy with the performance of the limited release. LG is watching with interest - and I've heard that even Samsung is as well. I never thought it possible, but Samsung has begun doing market research of Galaxy for Windows against the ATIV name - so it may actually be possible that we may see a Galaxy for Windows. It looks like if you offer an option on the same phone, people will often choose the Windows variant.

    Verizon also found that the "for Windows" badge is a much better tag than "Windows Phone", so I think that movement towards Windows badging as Threshold approaches will further help.
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    09-02-2014 07:46 PM
  5. MaC121's Avatar
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    The name. More people know what the HTC One is. A lot of people who aren't mobile enthusiasts have no idea what a lumia is.
    09-02-2014 08:37 PM
  6. scottcraft's Avatar
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    For me the 8.1 software with Cortana is a big draw. It offers more of the functionality I'm used to in android phones.
    09-02-2014 08:57 PM
  7. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    It is stylish, and unlike any other WP.

    Despite the belief of some, not everyone wants a plastic brick for a phone.
    09-02-2014 09:29 PM
  8. Matthew Becker1's Avatar
    Glad to see that. Hope other stores are experiencing the same thing!
    09-02-2014 09:30 PM
  9. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    What's spectacular..?

    When taken as a whole package....The whole phone is and as the other manufacturers realize the importance of this platform,more will follow....

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    09-02-2014 09:53 PM
  10. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I don't get it, why did the m8 pull them over and not the L930 or something? What does it have that is so spectacular?
    Cortana is one. The Icon did not come to Verizon with 8.1. The One M8 is the first phone they have in store where they can try out Cortana without going Developer Preview.

    The brick thing is another. I actually think they will also recommend the 830 if they get it because it is thinner and lighter for a good price. I've heard VZW is getting them and the price is around $350. They are getting more and more customers on EDGE who are now conscious of the price of the phone. The 830 would be about $12 less per month on EDGE than the S5 or the One M8. It's also cheaper than the S4 or the new or old iPhones. So it's thin, probably has a good sized battery, and is more than adequate for most people. I actually think the 830 could be a big phone IF they can get it on the carriers.

    However, the One M8 is a halo device. It helps HTC sell more handsets, but also gives the platform credibility with a direct comparison. What if Windows gets better battery life on the same hardware consistently? That's an advertizable selling point. Indeed, if MS can get the metrics on that and have them independently verified, I would create an if I were them. Show Android and iOS users wandering around, trying to find plugs while the Windows user just uses their phone with no worries. If the One M8 consistently does better in battery life, there's no reason why that can't be done.

    The One M8 got Windows Phone attention. It also showed a company bringing a flagship Android device over. I believe LG will be doing that soon too - and LG also could bring some cheaper handsets over and if those are faster and get better battery life than their same, exact Android conterparts - well, the argument makes itself. I see very little loyalty to Android or even to Google IF you can provide alternatives AND give people an easy way to move.

    I also think Microsoft intentionally is focusing on low and midrange because they know that if where the war will be won and market can be gained. Here in the States, contracts are going to become a thing of the past. That's devastating to a company like Apple. Imagine if they have to sell their iPhone for $100 less per just to maintain sales (and probably for more if pricing gets aggressive). Right now, they thrive on subsidies from big cell providers. But let's say they have to sell a new iPhone for $100 less. Notice how iPad sales are diving while Apple tries to force the high price point in a competitive market. $100 less per iPhone on 30 million in a quarter means $3 BILLION less in revenue and cuts profits from around $8B to $5B. Lower prices in a more price conscious market as contracts fade favors Microsoft IF they market appropriately and get the designs right. Mass market will be lower price, not the higher price M8 as nice as it is. I pay $30 a month for mine on EDGE. Many people will not and if the 830 comes in at $18 a month for the same duration, that's tempting to a lot of people.
    09-02-2014 10:01 PM
  11. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    I have a friend who manages a Verizon store in Cali.

    He says its selling just as bad as any other Windows Phone...basically not at all.
    09-02-2014 10:26 PM
  12. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I have a friend who manages a Verizon store in Cali.

    He says its selling just as bad as any other Windows Phone...basically not at all.
    Not a shock in California. The iPhone has a higher than average marketshare there and Samsung owns practically everything else.
    09-03-2014 07:44 AM
  13. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    It's going to take more than any one phone to do what the op is asking about.

    It's going to take Microsoft to change not only their outlook on the os,but how they spend their their money.

    Until they realize that the Xbox mentality is one of the main reasons for disliking the platform for many people,things won't really change,same for Internet Explorer.....

    It's not just loyalty to Google that makes Android the #1 selling platform,it's giving people a choice of all kinds of different devices along with how and what they want on their phones that does this,then having the applications available and the means to enable them that does as well as innovation.

    If a camera was the deciding factor,or music and video players,or just security...It would be different,but it's not nor has ever been just one thing...

    This phone is a good start,as well as bringing other flagship phones to the platform,but without the fundamentals that Android offers,it will only languish.

    No one thing or one phone will ever change this. It has to be taken as a whole package if Microsoft truly wants WP to make significant inroads for the market share.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    09-03-2014 09:54 AM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    All the more reason that Microsoft needs to adopt an apple method. I honestly can't see Microsoft hitting google level.

    As far as the m8 I really don't want this phone to become our mascot or even Lumia for that matter. While I do think Lumia hardware is the overall full package with more features the average user cares about, the fact of the matter is the low end is where Lumia excels so leave Lumia for low mid range.

    Make the surface brand into something akin to the iPhone and iPad and utilize your strengths with Xbox along with taking pureview technology and other Nokia elements and create a surface phone.

    It doesn't need to copy google to become the galaxy so much as be a viable alternative.

    Sigh if only i could talk to whomever the heck is in charge of windows phone. I certainly wouldn't let some of the stuff we have now to get released.
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    09-03-2014 10:12 AM
  15. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    It's going to take more than any one phone to do what the op is asking about.

    It's going to take Microsoft to change not only their outlook on the os,but how they spend their their money.

    Until they realize that the Xbox mentality is one of the main reasons for disliking the platform for many people,things won't really change,same for Internet Explorer.....

    It's not just loyalty to Google that makes Android the #1 selling platform,it's giving people a choice of all kinds of different devices along with how and what they want on their phones that does this,then having the applications available and the means to enable them that does as well as innovation.

    If a camera was the deciding factor,or music and video players,or just security...It would be different,but it's not nor has ever been just one thing...

    This phone is a good start,as well as bringing other flagship phones to the platform,but without the fundamentals that Android offers,it will only languish.

    No one thing or one phone will ever change this. It has to be taken as a whole package if Microsoft truly wants WP to make significant inroads for the market share.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    I find few that are loyal to Google. They use it because it's there. Had MS gotten WP7 out a bit sooner and more complete while going with the $0 license fee then, they may have seen a surge. They are late to adapting their model.

    You do have to attack Android head on, at the same time Android has issues that drag it down. The key is growing the marketshare consistently and eroding Android's. I look at Android as a dead end and a platform that no one will likely use in five years IF things are managed correctly. Even Samsung in all their might would prefer to drive volume through a $0 license and $0 patent fee setup that Windows Phone now offers. They don't need to pay Google for services. They don't need to pay Microsoft or others for patents because they are protected under MS' umbrella. The key is getting to a point where Samsung, HTC, and others will back off on Android gradually because WP is picking up the slack, but that will not happen overnight.

    Google is in terrible shape in some respects. Android without Google is growing faster than their locked in version and IF it does ever occur that handset makers are not dependent on them a dumping lawsuit that will cost them billions and billions would ensue.

    MS' approach is getting right. Midrange and low range, targeting new smartphone users. If your numbers grow, the apps will grow and the gap will become zero.

    They also are moving to encourage ALL apps, Android, iOS, and WP to be made in .NET so they are quickly able to compile for whichever OS. They are working on moving developers over and they do have a HUGE advantage here because the Android and iOS tools are very outdated. I have talked to no developers that would refuse developing in Visual Studio for all platforms if it worked well for them. Microsoft is actively recruiting Android and iOS developers to begin a shift to Visual Studio and providing some help IF they are going to use that same development to focus on universal apps in Windows.

    Marketing is where they need to push and also where they need the most help. I've already pointed to battery life ads. Ads can be made also highlighting self expression with a slogan such as "Windows - Because you're more than just a grid of icons". You can also make fun of Android and iOS for using interfaces that are "so last century". Take jabs at your competition. Be cheeky. If you are confident in the user experience, the whole point is to just get people to use your product.

    Conversion is another point. They need Apple and Google converters that are nearly seamless. To the extreme, you can attempt to even move someone off gmail and completely into the MS universe. Data migration from iCloud or Google Drive to OneDrive. App matching AND credits for apps purchased on the other platform. They could really use some competition to YouTube as well - so it may not be a bad idea to try to buy Vimeo and integrate it while working to make it better than YouTube across all devices. Be smarter with the ads and work to minimize data usage over mobile connections.

    There isn't one phone that will change the tide. They need a full strategy to attack and get others on board with them. Part of this is making sure their experiences are excellent - and they've done a poor job of that so far with things like Xbox Music, etc.

    I believe with the right mode of attack, Google will be in worse shape than Yahoo is now within five years because they sold people on a "free" OS that they knew wasn't free. They are in trouble anyways. Historically companies that are reliant on ad revenue without creating product (so TV networks don't count nor do ad agencies) always stumble long term. 95% of Google revenue is from ads. Their per ad revenue is in decline, so they can only make up by pushing more and more ads. Microsoft actually now collects more per ad than Google because they are more effective in generating clicks through Bing. Let's consider what happens if advertisers can make more by letting MS handle online ads through websites. As contracts expire, hits are made to Google. They've already lost some big contracts. They are likely to lose even more.

    The key is having a competent strategy and executing it well - but it has to be a big picture strategy that hits several points.
    09-03-2014 07:06 PM
  16. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I hate to break this to you,but Google's ad revenue isn't declining,but increasing...Look at their quarterly earnings report for the last 2 years...

    Secondly, widgets aren't last century..and is preferred by a larger margin than tiles.,just as the desktop is preferred over the metro ui,most every poll has shown this.

    Being able to change the look to any way a person wants is one of the most versatile things all Android users appreciate,even to look like a WP ui if wanted.

    Yes..wishful thinking of Android going away is what you are saying about this...because Microsoft can't or won't allow the very things that the majority of smartphone users wants,and that is freedom of choice...when you limit people what they can do with their phones,it drives people away after the newness has worn off...and that is one of the biggest reason Android market share keeps increasing,because even the cheapest Android phone can be changed to the owners wishes....even if the same exact apps were on both...

    Does having the HTC m8 on WP make a difference...sure it does.
    But there needs to be more than just the one...and fundamental changes need to be made in the os as well to really make the platform shine...and this doesn't include Xbox or internet explorer...The majority of the people in the world don't own a game console and Microsoft lost the browser wars long time ago..and was forced to unbundle it on the desktop..forcing every browser and music player to use both is self defeating..since there are better alternative apps..but that's for another discussion....

    I for one am glad that the m8 is a legitimate WP now...and it's time for all the other companies to step up to the plate and bring their latest and greatest to the platform...and hopefully Microsoft can learn from their mistakes..
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    09-03-2014 08:16 PM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I Really Wish People would stop going on and on about the M8 and putting it higher than it is....

    Has nothing to do with jealousy/hate and not even about the Camera. The Icon & M8 are both great devices but at the end of the day...the M8 being on every carrier does not mean sales will increase(Sure didn't help Blackberry) but at the same time it is STILL a Windows Phone. The M8 for Android is not exactly a top seller(that likely goes to Samsung, Sony, Motorola and LG then HTC). So why do people think the Windows Phone Version would be any different.

    It'll sell likely the same as any Lumia High End Model(And perhaps less since Lumia is generally the De Facto Standard when it comes to High End).

    I am not dissing the phone. I am stating more or less fact...at the end of the day the M8 is just another Windows Phone. Yes it has the cool speakers and SD card support but that doesn't matter really. Dot View is a gimmick(one i really can't see the hype for)....The Ir Blaster is not that special.And the amazing battery life is great but if that is the case, then the Droid Maxx devices with the 24+ hour would've been outselling other devices.

    Even a Lumia with a 41 megapixel at the end of the day do not matter.

    I asked my friends tonight at Breakfast for their opinions on Windows Phone and this is what they said

    1. Instagram sucks on it.
    2. Youtube sucks on it.
    3. I can't use Google Plus(the poor souls)
    4. Skype is weird
    5. It lacks such and such game
    6. I cant check my bank on it since there is no app
    7. Kik sucks(it really does)
    8. I can't Vine Message on Vine

    Very rarely do I hear people go on and on about Customizing the device. If Windows Phone starts letting OEMs butcher the OS, I am out. I do not want that because HTC, Samsung and other OEMs will throw their BS crap UI/tweaks on it. I am fine with Blinkfeed on an HTC Device....But i dont want them to have the ability to make Blinkfeed replace Windows Phone UI(even though they look alike).

    At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how nice the hardware is....it doesn't matter what cool features it has...The M8 is not going to save us nor is it a start to something different.

    Until we get the Apps we need and get them to have the same features....Wp will suffer greatly.

    We already have started building an Army on the low end....keep doing that. Release Better devices. We need a Moto E/G device....the 530 and 630 are not that. Thankfully, those other lesser brands are making more comparable devices to compete.

    The M8 is a good device, yes but it still lacks various things just as a High end Lumia Might.
    It's time to stop matching Spec to Spec.

    What we need is something Game Changing. Windows Phone needs to stop playing catch up. It doesn't need to copy what google does and Open the OS up(Because Google now is trying to reign in that openness and make it more uniform with Android L).

    It needs to CATCH up and then Set its own trend.

    As I said before...Be apple. Not google.

    Regardless of what people say about Apple, I get excited for apple announcements because they do introduce some cool things. I like the fingerprint scanner.

    I liked Siri when it was first announced....we got Cortana and it is great but by now it is nothing special.

    It's why I am considering going to Apple fully because I love Windows phone but Microsoft is chasing the wrong philosophy....If anything it needs to take the best of Apple and Android.

    Until Microsoft stops playing catch up and starts putting Pressure on Google/Apple to catch up to them.....Until we get the Apps on par with everyone else....Microsoft will be in the place it is.

    More importantly, the M8 likely will not be the galaxy.

    if An Army of Lumias can't do it worldwide, the M8 from HTC who literally is nowhere as powerful as they were before can't do it. It doesn't matter what Manufacturer releases what android flagship on Windows Phone....

    The Problem is not the hardware...... It is and always has been the App problem and the Perception the OS is weaker than the others and until that gets fixed, no there will be no Galaxy type devices.

    Until OEMs actually do something with their Windows Phone and make it known they make them, we'll be where we are.
    But i'll give HTC Credit. Perhaps they are actually doing something different this time around.

    I still think Lumia is where WP truly shines and I support Windows Phone Lumias over anything else...But this is the first time I've seen HTC give Front Focus to a WINDOWS PHONE product.

    Still...they have a lot to prove to me(and many others) who do not believe in them. But this does make me happy to see that unlike usual, the M8 for windows is not being hidden in a submenu.
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    Some Ideas for Microsoft:
    1. My favorite Android Device was the Xperia play. I could play Playstation games on it with an actual Playstation controller sliding out for the phone.
    xperia-play_black_ca02_screen2.jpg

    I'd love to be able to play Xbox Games(I mean actual Xbox Games) on my Phone.

    make a Lumia with this capabilities....Throw Halo on it and I am sure fanboys will kill to get it. Or perhaps Titanfall or something. Idk...but create something like that.

    2. Another Android Device I liked that was before its time...the Kyocera Echo.
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    I loved the Dual Screen and how it expanded the OS and you can have to apps running side by side. I could be on youtube in one screen and in the other screen have text messaging open. With Windows Phone 8.1 a device like this could be amazing.

    I'll give Android one thing. The OS is awful to me and unattractive but so many innovative designs and experiments come from Android.

    I don't want rehashes of Android phones like M8. I want to see OEMs take a risk on Windows Phone. I want them to release a Windows Phone device and then do the opposite and release it on Android.
    09-03-2014 10:21 PM
  18. Mr. MacPhisto's Avatar
    I hate to break this to you,but Google's ad revenue isn't declining,but increasing...Look at their quarterly earnings report for the last 2 years...
    Didn't say ad revenue, I said "per ad revenue". That means the dollar amount per ad is in decline - and sharply. They are having to push more and that is actually causing a lot more annoyance on web sites. I know their quarterly reports quite well. The dam is going to burst in the next year and Google will tank in a panic and lose a significant part of its market cap. I saw Apple's dip a few years ago coming - this will be much bigger because Google has no hardware sales to prop itself up. When it hits decline, it will keep declining.

    Secondly, widgets aren't last century..and is preferred by a larger margin than tiles.,just as the desktop is preferred over the metro ui,most every poll has shown this.
    Very rarely do I hear people love widgets. They know them, they don't love them. Whether they are last century or not is irrelevant anyways. The whole point of that marketing campaign is to slag on something and create the idea that they are archaic. If you begin to create that idea, you can foster it and attempt to shift perception and cause rebellion against the widgets, etc.

    Every poll has shown that Metro is well liked on touch and not well liked on traditional PCs. Windows 9 will fix that and also create something new that Android won't do - a synergy between tablet, phone, and laptop that has yet to exist. The idea of having contextual apps that detect your input device and use the proper UI for it is coming to Windows only and Microsoft is testing new APIs that will allow for Modern UI development on the desktop that can adapt to touch. Office will move to the Modern UI entirely in the future BUT will be able to operate in a window on a machine with a Desktop AND adapt its UI to the mouse/keyboard or the touch interface.

    Being able to change the look to any way a person wants is one of the most versatile things all Android users appreciate,even to look like a WP ui if wanted.
    I've never heard anyone say they like it. They hate that there is no predictability from phone to phone. Which Android? HTC's skin? Samsung's? I find it hilarious to watch people who are use to one manufacturer try to figure out how to use another OEM's device and how there is no consistency. Most people DON'T customize their phones. Enthusiasts do and they make up a small fraction. Less than 1% root their phones or do much with customization outside of folders and wallpapers.

    Yes..wishful thinking of Android going away is what you are saying about this...because Microsoft can't or won't allow the very things that the majority of smartphone users wants,and that is freedom of choice...when you limit people what they can do with their phones,it drives people away after the newness has worn off...and that is one of the biggest reason Android market share keeps increasing,because even the cheapest Android phone can be changed to the owners wishes....even if the same exact apps were on both...
    Android violates intellectual property and is built on theft. Google is being assailed in many countries for their violations and being threatened with being shut down - and it appears that will only pick up. It also needs OEMs. These nice little start ups like One+One are going to get sued to Kingdom Come and not be able to afford the legal costs because of all the intellectual property Android has stolen.

    Android market share increases because people feel they have no choice other than Apple. Customer satisfaction for Android is below 30% right now in the United States. People HATE Android. HATE it. Battery life is terrible. Performance is worse. Most people don't have high end handsets and it doesn't perform well when it's on midlevel hardware. The current data suggests that only Congress is less popular than Android, but people feel stuck with it. I have yet to meet a single person who loves it that is not a super duper tech geek and I meet smartphone users everyday. I'm serious about that. Not a single person outside of uber geeks has said they like it. They like their Galaxy, but they dislike this or that - all bits of Android.

    Want to know the thing they hate most? The thing that Windows Phone can do that Android or iOS cannot? The One M8 for Android on Verizon will not allow you to delete the Verizon apps or the HTC apps on the phone - well, not very easily. Certainly an average user can't. The iPhone is similar. Good luck deleting NFL Mobile or My Verizon. Yet that operating system that apparently doesn't allow choice, Windows Phone, lets you delete anything you want that is not core to the system itself. And Microsoft, those backward thinkers, designed a system where they HOST specific apps for the OEM and the carrier that only those users can get. Google Play doesn't do that. Neither does the App Store. How backwards, giving users choices about what they install or wish to uninstall.

    Why doesn't Android let you do that? Oh sure, and unmodified version would - though if you go with the Google Nexus style you even get microSD disabled in many areas - that's on Google's spec. Is that giving users options? I have yet to see a single off the shelf Android device that would let me install everything on SD, yet my backwards Windows Phone can do that. Sure, I could root the dang thing, but average joe isn't doing that.

    How much do you think the average user HATES that they can't choose where to put their music or games or apps? Yet every off the shelf Android I have ever played with is so inconsistent on that storage. People really don't like that.

    Does having the HTC m8 on WP make a difference...sure it does.
    But there needs to be more than just the one...and fundamental changes need to be made in the os as well to really make the platform shine...and this doesn't include Xbox or internet explorer...The majority of the people in the world don't own a game console and Microsoft lost the browser wars long time ago..and was forced to unbundle it on the desktop..forcing every browser and music player to use both is self defeating..since there are better alternative apps..but that's for another discussion....
    They lost the browser wars? Seriously? The most comprehensive measurement worldwide for usage indicates that IE sits at nearly 49% and Chrome at 15% - even accounting for Android handsets. You can use Wikimedia's measurements if you like, but those are largely rigged by how Google has gotten Chrome to report. It is far less used than you think, even on Android handsets where Firefox is used more than you think.

    I love how Google's PR machine works to convince ya'll that they are in a stronger position than they are. Yet the paid metric I use is more comprehensive. Indications over the past month actually show that Firefox is likely to turn around and retake Chrome in the next six months, putting Chrome back into a distant third, even with all those Android handsets.

    I for one am glad that the m8 is a legitimate WP now...and it's time for all the other companies to step up to the plate and bring their latest and greatest to the platform...and hopefully Microsoft can learn from their mistakes..
    I think they are learning. They need to take a comprehensive approach. At least they have a diverse business model. Other companies are not so well off. If Apple's iPhone margins take a hit, they remain profitable but their value will sink.

    Again, Google is the company in real trouble. They are now looked at suspiciously and more negatively than ever. People are more concerned about them gathering data on them than ever and metrics also indicate active use on their services such as Gmail is bleeding a bit - people are not using their Google accounts as actively. The last quarterly report showed per ad revenue continuing to decline in a big way and smaller gains. The negative is around the corner.

    Will Google be able to do anything to prop themselves up? A couple negative quarters where they are going backwards and the press will circle like vultures. And if the stock declines, will people begin to move their data, their browsers, and even their phones away from them? Android Open Source is already outpacing the Google bundle of Android and that will accelerate, but the key is to be there to pick up the slack.

    I know the carriers really don't like Android. It costs them a lot in support because they get none from Google. Many open source people may say "that's great", but from a company bottom line it is not. Long term, I expect Android to pull a Linux. The lawsuits and decline will cause Google to dump Android development and basically completely release themselves from responsibility. This will cause a massive drop in funding for development and greater fragmentation. Some OEMs may pick up the pieces themselves - Samsung in particular. Yet it will eventually become the enthusiast OS as Google declines and becomes a shadow of their current selves. Companies like Google do not survive long term as big players. Never had and never will. That's why they have been so desperate to try to find other places to profit, but they have only found failure. Even Android has been a bomb for them apart from the data they've acquired from it to push ads. Google Play is a small revenue generator and Google services fees aren't enough to cover the usage cost.

    When ad revenue starts it's decline in the next year, it's going to be a roller coaster ride to the bottom for Google. You've been warned. The Google Bust is coming. Be prepared.
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    09-03-2014 11:20 PM
  19. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Whew that was long ^
    09-03-2014 11:25 PM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    ^^ but also very interesting :-)
    09-04-2014 03:49 AM
  21. Visa Declined's Avatar
    ^^ but also very interesting :-)
    98% of it was made up in his mind.

    People hate Android!, carriers hate Android!, satisfaction rate below 30%!..lol. This was the ultimate "I hate Google" rant, and every single bullet point he made was wrong. Awesome post though, I love the enthusiasm.
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    09-04-2014 04:27 AM
  22. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    98% of it was made up in his mind.

    People hate Android!, carriers hate Android!, satisfaction rate below 30%!..lol. This was the ultimate "I hate Google" rant, and every single bullet point he made was wrong. Awesome post though, I love the enthusiasm.

    It doesn't even matter when prefaced by this:

    I Really Wish People would stop going on and on about the M8 and putting it higher than it is....

    Has nothing to do with jealousy/hate<snip>
    Its just another Micah post that hides M8 bashing inside of other posts. He undermines his own points with personal bias. My first thought is he would fix his problem by not reading an M8 forum, but anyway...
    09-04-2014 04:34 AM
  23. Adrynalyne's Avatar

    I don't want rehashes of Android phones like M8. I want to see OEMs take a risk on Windows Phone. I want them to release a Windows Phone device and then do the opposite and release it on Android.
    I rather see excellent hardware have multiple OS choices when considering buying. I should not have to be locked down to an OS to enjoy a particular phone. I am not asking for dual boot phones, but the ability to chose the OS I want with the phone I want during a purchase. To wish against such a thing is anti-choice and rather selfish.
    09-04-2014 04:51 AM
  24. scottcraft's Avatar
    I guess I must be one of the only people in the country that enjoys android. If I get the M8 for windows it won't be because I dislike my android in any way. Actually I would be losing functionality, apps and app quality by moving back to windows phone. The main attraction the windows version of the M8 has for me is battery life plus I enjoy the platform.
    09-04-2014 05:21 AM
  25. etphoto's Avatar
    Interesting.

    What I can report from my local Verizon store is that many reps are actively recommending Windows Phone becomes of the One M8. Almost all of the reps switched their phones over this month to the M8 and they weren't forced to do so by VZW either.

    .
    The few times I went into a Verizon store I knew exactly what I wanted and requested it. Not giving the salesman any chance of trying to talk me out of it. When I went in to get the M8 he got the phone and started the "you know there are no apps on Windows phone" speech. I snapped back at him and he shut up and apologized. If I wasn't in a hurry to get to work I would have requested to see a manager I was so pissed.

    I must have missed this thread. Didn't even see it until today. Took awhile to read as well. However, if you skip over Micah's post it only takes about have the time.

    Anyone back on topic. I don't know if the M8 can become WP version of the Galaxy. However, I listen to Windows Weekly all the time and when the Android M8 came out, Leo Laporte said (almost weekly) that only if WP 8 was on the M8, it would be a great phone. Who would have known? Now its here. Time will tell how well it will do.
    09-04-2014 07:43 AM
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