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  1. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    the 630 use sensor core but snapdragon 400 and while the m8 does not use sensor core it has the snapdragon 8xx. this is bullsh*t if ms doesn't work away round to give hey cortana to m8 users. I am on 920 at the moment currently awaiting a windows "mobile" 10 flagship replacement.

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    SENSORCORE and 800 and 801 processor. Presently only the Icon, 930 and 1520 have both. That is why Lumias with less processors but sensorcore still don't have it and those with the processor but no sensorcore(Ativ SE and M8) don't. It may change in the future but who knows. As far as today, it's a Lumia only feature that is AMAZING.


    well MS isn't going in the right direction because all of last year towards mid of this year the biggest carrier in my country was pushing Nokia windows phone which is the only reason I am using the OS. Ever since the acquisition of Nokia they are no longer pushing the windows OS. So if they know what I know they better work close to HTC to get Hey Cortana working. I am one of those persons getting pissed by their delays and slow services so they better pull their socks up and get it together.
    Why would they work with an OEM that barely sales anything for them? More like they better get to it and bring the feature to their other lumias first and foremost. Maybe not the 520/530/630 but at least their 1GB lumias.
    12-30-2014 11:55 AM
  2. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Why is it BS? It's Microsoft's prerogative to retain some exclusive features on their hardware if they so desire. That's like saying all WP's should support dot view cases. And by the way if you've ever used OK Google, speech activation is not really not that big of a deal IMHO.
    It actually kind of is. The Android users like it, especially since you don't need to press a button. It's why iPhone users wanted Siri active all the time instead of when it is plugged up.

    But you make a good point...Microsoft maybe a Software provider of Windows Phone but it is now also an OEM and a competitor of HTC. It gave HTC the dot view case thing with Cortana. Why can it not have its on exclusive features and apps?

    Nobody demands that HTC bring Dot View to Lumias, do they? For the love of God, please keep Dot View on the M8. It's tragic and tacky looking. Or HTC's apps....But they always demand Lumia apps. Even in the Nokia days, they demanded the Lumia apps.

    It's not spitting in the face of anyone like someone above claimed.. HTC has the right to have their apps exclusive. I don't want them. I've already had most of their apps on my Lumia...Be it Storyteller, Creative Studio, Etc etc.


    In that case, all Lumia features should be on all Windows Phone...All Samsung ATIV and HTC m8 features should be on Lumias since EVERYONE wants everything and the redundant experience.

    There's a reason why WP 8.1 is better than Windows Phone 7. Because every phone has the same OS but their own unique and interesting aspect and features. In the WIndows Phone 7 days, there was little differentiation between any of the phones and little identity.
    I'm starting to feel that this is the exact approach MS is taking now WP is given out free to OEM's. They will get their money back in Lumia sales by holding back certain features. It will be upto the individual OEM's to offer their differentiation. That being said, it's doesn't give MS license to rip off OEM features like they just did with attentive phone / motion launch if that's the path they are taking.
    How is that Ripping off OEM features? HTC did not create Attentive Phone? I had been using that on my Samsung Android phones since years ago.

    I agree with you though. Hold back certain features, Make Lumia the envied windows phone of the bunch and the PREMIUM experience and recoup money through them.
    12-30-2014 12:03 PM
  3. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Idk why people keep claiming that the feature is coming to m8. Isn't one of the key components the hey Cortana feature is sensorcore which is a LUMIA ONLY hardware aspect.

    Meaning only three phones are actually capable of it right now. Unless the m8 has sensorcore why do you guys keep saying it will get it.

    Having finally gotten my hands on the 930 unlocked and with denim I have to say the fact I can launch it without touching it is making me weep I am still on cyan and not denim with my 1520. It's an awesome feature

    'Hey Cortana' for Lumia 630 - Microsoft Community
    Go read up on sensorcore. It requires hardware (Snapdragon 400+), plus software. Now that Microsoft owns it, they can add the software portion to the OS. Problem solved for everyone. If they do not, well, bon voyage WP. Microsoft cannot float the platform alone, no matter how much you want to see that. See RIM for what happens when you try and no longer have an ecosystem or user base to keep you on top.

    I don't want to see WP die, but if MS is planning on holding back features from OEMs, then they deserve to fail.
    12-30-2014 12:13 PM
  4. sixseven's Avatar
    I would be very careful about that. There's a distinct difference between Update and Upgrade. MSFT continued to Update XP 10+ years after it's release, but that didn't mean you were eligible to receive Vista or Windows 7. Updates to me means updating Sense, corrective patches and HTC apps, not the OS itself.
    I did a little more poking around HTC's website, and found this link:

    HTC Software Updates | HTC United States

    From the webpage:

    HTC is focused on providing timely software updates for HTC Sense innovation, Windows Phone releases, the Eye Experience, and major Google Android releases. In an effort to bring transparency to this process, we will be marking the steps of preparation and our progress, by device and carrier.
    This sounds a little more optimistic than "updates". I don't like how they differentiate between Windows Phone releases and "Major" android releases, though.
    12-30-2014 12:14 PM
  5. waazzupppp's Avatar
    I did a little more poking around HTC's website, and found this link:

    HTC Software Updates | HTC United States

    From the webpage:



    This sounds a little more optimistic than "updates". I don't like how they differentiate between Windows Phone releases and "Major" android releases, though.

    Uh, you seriously overlooked the fact that it says "GOOGLE ANDROID RELEASE ADAPTATION STAGES" right below that paragraph... Not much is said about Windows at all. The issue is that the hardware may not support something that MS does in the future. Just like the compatibility issues that the 8X had with the 8.1 update... You just don't know how Win 10 will play with the hardware yet.

    Now I'm not going to say that Win 10 isn't coming to the M8, but everyone is so excited about something that isn't happening for another 6 months and HTC knows it. The M8 for Windows (VZW) was already updated once, so I think that shows that HTC is serious about keeping on track with the updates, but changing the OS all together might creates some unforeseen issues. We will just have to wait and see.

    As far as the actual Hey Cortana feature, I think it is part of the Win 10 rollout - which we should see in the Tech Preview soon enough if it is going to be there or not - so it's probably going to make it on to the mobile device version as well. It's important to remember - if/when Win 10 comes - it is going to be a computer OS on a mobile device - not the just the same old Windows Phone we know and love.
    12-30-2014 12:36 PM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Go read up on sensorcore. It requires hardware (Snapdragon 400+), plus software. Now that Microsoft owns it, they can add the software portion to the OS. Problem solved for everyone. If they do not, well, bon voyage WP. Microsoft cannot float the platform alone, no matter how much you want to see that. See RIM for what happens when you try and no longer have an ecosystem or user base to keep you on top.

    I don't want to see WP die, but if MS is planning on holding back features from OEMs, then they deserve to fail.
    Bon Voyage WP? More like Bon Voyage HTC, Samsung and others....aka the other 3 percent. That argument would actually be valid if those other OEMS combined together even made up 20 percent let alone 10 percent of the overall marketshare for windows phone.

    Losing 1-2 million phones is not good of course but it doesn't spell the end of the platform. No matter how much you want to see that, NOKIA and now Microsoft IS what is holding the platform up presently. It's like you are being willfully blind and refuse to acknowledge that.

    I'll give you another scenario. In the WP7 days, before Nokia...when Dell and LG begin to diss and leave WIndows phone and HTC and Samsung also begin slowing down their releases and barely supporting it...there was a time people were worried that that spelled the end of Windows Phone.

    What happened? Nokia joined and Lumia became a thing and nobody really even mentions Dell or LG except in passing. Huawei is now off WIndows Phone...Again, irrelevant.

    When your Market Share looks like this...Losing any of the other OEMs wont matter because they do nothing really for the platform now. But of course you choose to see it how you want despite facts proving that losing OEMs has really not hurt the platform anymore than having them helps the platform. But yes let's appease the 2 percent of people who brought an HTC and bring all Lumia apps and features to the others because you guys chose that phone and devalue the Lumia Brand/Majority.

    See the screenshot below...this is just a week ago. HTC's marketshare has dropped despite the M8 windows being on now 3 carriers(in their defense, it has only been on out on T-Mobile and Att for over a month) yet I hear absolutely nothing about this device at work or in my inner circles.
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    12-30-2014 12:40 PM
  7. Adrynalyne's Avatar
    Bon Voyage WP? More like Bon Voyage HTC, Samsung and others....aka the other 3 percent. That argument would actually be valid if those other OEMS combined together even made up 20 percent let alone 10 percent of the overall marketshare for windows phone.

    Losing 1-2 million phones is not good of course but it doesn't spell the end of the platform. No matter how much you want to see that, NOKIA and now Microsoft IS what is holding the platform up presently. It's like you are being willfully blind and refuse to acknowledge that.

    I'll give you another scenario. In the WP7 days, before Nokia...when Dell and LG begin to diss and leave WIndows phone and HTC and Samsung also begin slowing down their releases and barely supporting it...there was a time people were worried that that spelled the end of Windows Phone.

    What happened? Nokia joined and Lumia became a thing and nobody really even mentions Dell or LG except in passing. Huawei is now off WIndows Phone...Again, irrelevant.

    When your Market Share looks like this...Losing any of the other OEMs wont matter because they do nothing really for the platform now. But of course you choose to see it how you want despite facts proving that losing OEMs has really not hurt the platform anymore than having them helps the platform. But yes let's appease the 2 percent of people who brought an HTC and bring all Lumia apps and features to the others because you guys chose that phone and devalue the Lumia Brand/Majority.

    See the screenshot below...this is just a week ago. HTC's marketshare has dropped despite the M8 windows being on now 3 carriers(in their defense, it has only been on out on T-Mobile and Att for over a month) yet I hear absolutely nothing about this device at work or in my inner circles.
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    I'm not having this convo with you again. You lack the business sense to understand what is going on and what needs to happen for WP success.

    My bon voyage WP was not because I think HTC leaving will hurt. I think all OEMs abandoning them will, however. Again, you don't have the business sense to comprehend why that would be bad. If MS wants anything other than rock bottom market numbers, they will not abandon OEMs.
    12-30-2014 12:58 PM
  8. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'm not having this convo with you again. You lack the business sense to understand what is going on and what needs to happen for WP success.

    My bon voyage WP was not because I think HTC leaving will hurt. I think all OEMs abandoning them will, however. Again, you don't have the business sense to comprehend why that would be bad. If MS wants anything other than rock bottom market numbers, they will not abandon OEMs.
    Good let's not :) You say I lack business sense, perhaps that's true. Hence why my job is marketing and actually getting people interested in products :)

    And i think you put much stock in things that have otherwise proven to be highly irrelevant, i.e. The other OEMs

    :)
    12-30-2014 01:45 PM
  9. ajb1965's Avatar
    HTC or Samsung leaving could leave a mark in other ways. While HTC and Samsung don't have a significant number of units in the field compared to Lumia, they are major brand names and that carries some weight, especially to someone that might be on the fence about WP and would be more apt to try it on a handset brand they are familiar with. Lumia makes brilliant devices, no question about it. However WP has become somewhat of a niche product and is too often pigeonholed as the OS for camera enthusiasts when in reality it offers much more.
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    12-30-2014 01:58 PM
  10. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    HTC or Samsung leaving could leave a mark in other ways. While HTC and Samsung don't have a significant number of units in the field compared to Lumia, they are major brand names and that carries some weight, especially to someone that might be on the fence about WP and would be more apt to try it on a handset brand they are familiar with. Lumia makes brilliant devices, no question about it. However WP has become somewhat of a niche product and is too often pigeonholed as the OS for camera enthusiasts when in reality it offers much more.

    But the issue with Windows phone has never been the oem or lack thereof. So a person hesitant about windows phone isn't likely going to be hesitant about the os but because of the lack of apps.

    I desperately tried to get my friend to get a Lumia and he said the phone was nice but it lacked apps like clash of clans and others he likes.

    Samsung is a prime example. They've released one windows phone this year on one carrier and rumor has it they may not be making anymore. Most people don't even realize that there is a Samsung windows phone on Verizon.

    The os is not pigeonholed as the camera enthusiasts os. It's pigeonholed as the os with no apps.

    If Samsung or HTC put half as much effort into their windows phones that they do with android, I could see more people buying them but they don't and people don't buy them. It's why I refuse to buy one presently until they prove otherwise they are worth anything to me.

    I might even consider the m9, only because I want a new phone and I refuse to wait till fall to get it. Then again I may 'downgrade' and get the Lumia 1330 :P
    12-30-2014 02:09 PM
  11. Sicka Altaar's Avatar
    Adrynalyne it's becoming pointless. Its best to agree with Superboy that 25/5 = 14 or 2+2=5. We all know you have to you carry the "1" to get "5" when you add "2+2"
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    12-30-2014 02:17 PM
  12. ajb1965's Avatar
    Yeah and then there's the apps thing..... :)
    12-30-2014 02:19 PM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Adrynalyne it's becoming pointless. Its best to agree with Superboy that 25/5 = 14 or 2+2=5. We all know you have to you carry the "1" to get "5" when you add "2+2"
    Sigh nobody can ever have a civil discussion because you guys don't want to accept facts.

    You point out something factual and somehow that means debate fact and proven stats lol.
    12-30-2014 02:29 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Yeah and then there's the apps thing..... :)
    Yeah the apps thing is a bigger problem than lack of choice. We've always had choice. And with that android app rumor thing happening, I am mot that positive for the future.
    12-30-2014 02:30 PM
  15. Br1t's Avatar
    Sigh nobody can ever have a civil discussion because you guys don't want to accept facts.

    You point out something factual and somehow that means debate fact and proven stats lol.
    Facts? You stated that Lumia is the premium brand earlier and they don't even have flagship available in the US lol It's no wonder we can't take you seriously.
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    12-30-2014 02:34 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Facts? You stated that Lumia is the premium brand earlier and they don't even have flagship available in the US lol It's no wonder we can't take you seriously.
    Lumia is the premium brand and the face of windows phone. And last I check, I can still buy both a Lumia 1520 and Lumia icon in the us. So its not lacking presently and despite HTC being on three carriers, doesn't seem to be helping them much either.

    And if we want to be technical, Microsoft is calling the Lumia 830 a flagship as well. I of course don't consider it as one :)

    That's fine if you don't take me seriously as I've given up on having an actual l discussion with defensive HTC fans lol
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    12-30-2014 03:05 PM
  17. sixseven's Avatar
    Uh, you seriously overlooked the fact that it says "GOOGLE ANDROID RELEASE ADAPTATION STAGES" right below that paragraph... Not much is said about Windows at all. The issue is that the hardware may not support something that MS does in the future. Just like the compatibility issues that the 8X had with the 8.1 update... You just don't know how Win 10 will play with the hardware yet.

    Now I'm not going to say that Win 10 isn't coming to the M8, but everyone is so excited about something that isn't happening for another 6 months and HTC knows it. The M8 for Windows (VZW) was already updated once, so I think that shows that HTC is serious about keeping on track with the updates, but changing the OS all together might creates some unforeseen issues. We will just have to wait and see.

    As far as the actual Hey Cortana feature, I think it is part of the Win 10 rollout - which we should see in the Tech Preview soon enough if it is going to be there or not - so it's probably going to make it on to the mobile device version as well. It's important to remember - if/when Win 10 comes - it is going to be a computer OS on a mobile device - not the just the same old Windows Phone we know and love.
    I didn't overlook it. I agree it's completely ambiguous. The web page was clearly built for android, and they shoe-horned in Windows Phone. Square peg in a round hole for sure. That being said, they have still made promises that they better keep in regards to updates.

    I'm not overly concerned about Hey Cortana. It seems like a 'me too' feature that I'll bet 90% of users never actually use. By the time Win10 comes along, I'll probably upgrade from the M8 anyway.
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    12-30-2014 03:09 PM
  18. drufranco's Avatar
    But yes let's appease the 2 percent of people who brought an HTC and bring all Lumia apps and features to the others because you guys chose that phone and devalue the Lumia Brand/Majority.
    Devalue? I loved my icon and 928, but it was Verizon who devalued the Lumia's for the consumers. I wanted something current and went with the M8 because there is not much of a choice through my carrier. Had I been on AT&T I would have surely gotten a Nokia.

    It's pigeonholed as the os with no apps.
    I can concur with this. My daughter and some of her friends switched back to Apple because after roughly a year they were very displeased with the lack of app support that teens seem to need to function for everyday communication and life? For me it works great for business and some basic social and gaming apps.
    Microsoft will always have a hard time selling to the youth with the lack of their favorite apps, for adults and business, doesn't seem to be too much of an app gap IMO...
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    12-30-2014 03:20 PM
  19. waazzupppp's Avatar
    Devalue? I loved my icon and 928, but it was Verizon who devalued the Lumia's for the consumers. I wanted something current and went with the M8 because there is not much of a choice through my carrier. Had I been on AT&T I would have surely gotten a Nokia.
    I don't know about that... When you look at AT&T right now, the only premium Lumia WP they have in house is the 1520. The 920 and 1020 are both gone. That leaves the beast of a device or the 635 as their current offerings. I'd be inclined to stick with the M8 there. I'd consider the non-contract 635 as the next best option.


    I can concur with this. My daughter and some of her friends switched back to Apple because after roughly a year they were very displeased with the lack of app support that teens seem to need to function for everyday communication and life? For me it works great for business and some basic social and gaming apps.
    Microsoft will always have a hard time selling to the youth with the lack of their favorite apps, for adults and business, doesn't seem to be too much of an app gap IMO...
    I think Microsoft will have a hard time selling to youth because they are Microsoft. As much as the "App Gap" pisses me off on occasion, the basics for the kids are there. The issue is there's nothing that makes Windows Phone better anymore. The Smoked By Windows Phone campaign really highlighted the reason to get a Windows Phone. Social Networkers got better access built in to the device - Business users got better calendar and mail functions - Everyday users had live tiles instead of goofy icons... It was BETTER... Now, they don't really give users a reason to choose WP over anything else. They're stuck between being a device and software company and being a services and software company. Not a strong point to be at. Let's see where it goes with the new leadership.
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    12-30-2014 04:44 PM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I don't know about that... When you look at AT&T right now, the only premium Lumia WP they have in house is the 1520. The 920 and 1020 are both gone. That leaves the beast of a device or the 635 as their current offerings. I'd be inclined to stick with the M8 there. I'd consider the non-contract 635 as the next best option..
    Pretty sure there is also the Lumia 830 which launched alongside the m8 for windows....which is what a lot of users(at least in our area) are choosing over the M8 based on my research for work and what not.

    Devalue? I loved my icon and 928, but it was Verizon who devalued the Lumia's for the consumers. I wanted something current and went with the M8 because there is not much of a choice through my carrier. Had I been on AT&T I would have surely gotten a Nokia.
    Except they didn't. Granted the Cyan debacle was a mess and retiring for whatever reason...At work rumor has it, that it was because of the HTC One M8 possibly. As there was no reason to retire it and not a phone like the Ativ SE or the 928 at the time.

    More importantly, with Denim now coming to the 822, 928 and soon the Icon...a lot of my friends who did switch to the M8 more or less "settled" because they thought the Icon was forever on Black and are annoyed to know they could've waited a little longer and gotten Cyan and Denim features. I just tease them about it all the time...Only one of my coworkers/friends actually got the M8 because they actually liked it(they had an 8x and like HTC products). Most people simply settled(the ones I know) and it makes me wonder is that true for a lot of M8 owners. I see many M8 owners here are happy and that is great...but I've seen plenty as well here and other places, who miss their lumia or flat out hated the M8....or those who simply avoid the m8 altogether.

    Given my job, I am given the opportunity to actually see the OS in action on many different phones(I actually saw the Dell Windows Phone 7 device recently, my first time) and most people simply avoid the HTC or Samsung hardware because they believe the Lumia line is the premium or the best.

    But yes with everyone clamoring that it is not fair that Nokia had the exclusives it had in 2012 and 2013....or that now that Microsoft owns Nokia D&S they should make all their apps available for all windows phone...or release Lumia Camera for WIndows phone, yes that does devalue the Lumia Brand because those are the very reason that many of us begin supporting Windows Phone in the first place. Was because of the Lumia experience and I sincerely hope Microsoft keeps rewarding those who support them and their phones. I don't want to be using the same apps as an HTC person or Samsung person. I want my Lumia experience as I am a Lumia enthusiasts.


    I can concur with this. My daughter and some of her friends switched back to Apple because after roughly a year they were very displeased with the lack of app support that teens seem to need to function for everyday communication and life? For me it works great for business and some basic social and gaming apps.
    Microsoft will always have a hard time selling to the youth with the lack of their favorite apps, for adults and business, doesn't seem to be too much of an app gap IMO...
    I'm 19 and I don't necessarily need the latest and greatest apps.

    However my brother is 12 and my other younger brother is 10....For them, they need the latest Game, The Best Snapchat experience, etc etc

    However, I have been working with them and their little group of friends to get them on Lumias and they've actually really adapted to it well. I was worried...the 12 year old hates Xbox Music but he loves his Lumia and the apps and what not. The younger one loves the fact that the OS matches his tablet.

    I had to do a survey for work and my boss was asking me what do I think could help reach a younger audience/demographic...They need something really cool. Xbox Gaming is something they really need to build upon and push upon.

    Use the Lumia Brand and build an amazing Pureview selfie camera along with some amazing Xbox Integration and type of games.

    Gaming may be a weakness for windows phone but Microsoft is not fully using that Xbox weapon the best way they can to counter. You may lack Clash of Clans...So Create a great game and actually make it a game that people talk about. Make commercials for it like the stupid Clash of Clans or Beach Boom commercials.

    Use the HTC One M8 as a prime example of Xbox Music...Showcasing the phone's speakers against the iPhone and sell Xbox Music pass at a loss to get people in the service and ecosystem as well.
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    12-30-2014 05:21 PM
  21. waazzupppp's Avatar
    I'll go a bit down the road with the 830, but it's not flagship quality... The 800 series has always been midrange at best - and the 930 was/is a better phone that should have been brought in to the mix. That said, I'm not paying $100 for an 830 with a 2 year deal when I can get the M8 for the same deal or better. I mean, they have to giveaway a Fitbit Flex to get people on that deal. They need that 930 or 1030 to come around and really be a flagship device for the Lumia's. Of course, that's not the stuff that is really moving. The 520/530 series sold a ton of devices last year and this holiday season. The 635 did pretty well as well, but with places like Amazon selling it for $50, how is it NOT going to do well? The $30 Lumia 520 is still one of the best phone deals out there.

    All of that said, your are so dead on with the marketing aspect. I don't feel the urge to buy a Windows Phone when I see a commercial (did they even run those during the Holidays?) The Apple ad with the lady at the table hearing the duet that her daughter created... Golden! The Samsung ads with Dak and Kristen... Hilarious! Microsoft Surface ad with the annoying take on Jingle Bells... Please stop...

    Show me Xbox games - really good ones like Ages of Empires, the new Halo Spartan title, use your video game muscle and bring some titles like Madden, PGA Golf and heaven forbid a team sport besides Soccer to the platform. Grab some really great first person shooter games that are as good as the Xbox titles! Bring the entertainment factor to the next level with that Xbox Music Pass (and make it shareable like every other music service - maybe like 5 devices?) Most of all, make games that are the next big thing, not something that was big a year ago (Candy Crush)...

    With the services, it's time to fix the gap there. Let's get Xbox Music fixed up and merged with MixRadio like it should be. Tweak the Apps and give us 2-4 offline mixes with ads! Ads for games and services for Windows Phone! I laugh so hard when I click an in game ad from one of my ad based games and it comes up with Google AdSense! What the heck is up with that... Fix the browser so it stops showing "get the Android App for ______ today" or continue to the Mobile Site. That's just embarrassing...
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    12-30-2014 06:27 PM
  22. jlangner's Avatar
    Sigh nobody can ever have a civil discussion because you guys don't want to accept facts.

    You point out something factual and somehow that means debate fact and proven stats lol.
    Lets see stats with high end phones only. I guarantee that the %s go up then. 90% of the lumia numbers is probably all mid/low end phones. You are showing HTC which only has 1 high end phone compared against all budget ones...show some real stats bro.
    12-31-2014 05:37 PM
  23. jlangner's Avatar
    Lumia is the premium brand and the face of windows phone. And last I check, I can still buy both a Lumia 1520 and Lumia icon in the us. So its not lacking presently and despite HTC being on three carriers, doesn't seem to be helping them much either.

    And if we want to be technical, Microsoft is calling the Lumia 830 a flagship as well. I of course don't consider it as one :)

    That's fine if you don't take me seriously as I've given up on having an actual l discussion with defensive HTC fans lol
    Budget phones are what is holding Windows Phone up.
    12-31-2014 05:43 PM
  24. tangledW's Avatar
    Budget phones are what is holding Windows Phone up.
    "Budget phones" are the only reason WP has above a 0.5% market share.
    12-31-2014 06:28 PM
  25. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Lets see stats with high end phones only. I guarantee that the %s go up then. 90% of the lumia numbers is probably all mid/low end phones. You are showing HTC which only has 1 high end phone compared against all budget ones...show some real stats bro.
    Well since you asked Nicely(Gotta love ad duplex). Make sure you check out the screenshots below :P I really don't mean to be offensive. But I really wished you guys would stop using weak explanations to defend your arguments about why Nokia/Microsoft/Lumia has success and HTC doesn't.

    Fact is, even with the Signature branding and the fact Microsoft actually favored the 8x over the Lumia in the early days, the fact HTC had a 2 year head start over Lumia and the fact that HTC technically is a bigger name in the US.....the 8x is proven to not outsell a Lumia.

    Perhaps the M8 can outsell the Icon....Let's hope. It's a retired device and the M8 is on 3 carriers. If it can't outsell an icon, that may be a problem.

    Comparing HTC 8x to the Lumia 920.....two high end and flagship phones. During this era, The Lumia 920 was only on one US carrier while the 8x launched on THREE carriers(and in different configurations) and then a 4th carrier in 2013....and both had global releases(Canada/Europe).

    December 2013:
    10.8% were Lumia 920
    3.1% were Lumia 925
    2.5% were HTC 8X
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    2. August 2013
    Lumia 920: 11 percent
    HTC 8x: 4 percent
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    3. April 2013
    Htc 8x: 4 percent
    Lumia 920: 14 percent
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    4. January 2013
    htc 8x: 3 percent
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