1. Mandos's Avatar
    Got my Trophy today and I am loving it so far.

    One thing I can't figure out is how to use/get the HTC Hidden Wi-Fi app. When I click on the tile in the HTC Hub, there is not an option to install the app. In Wi-Fi Settings there are no options to activate or find a hidden network.

    I am hoping I am just missing something. Does anyone have any good ideas here?
    05-28-2011 12:29 AM
  2. Grubish360's Avatar
    Go into the marketplace on your phone and tap on HTC apps. Find the Hidden Wi-Fi app and tap it. Then hit install.
    05-28-2011 01:22 AM
  3. Mandos's Avatar
    That is the second place I looked. It is not listed as an app.
    05-28-2011 01:35 AM
  4. Dave Blake's Avatar
    For some reason it wont show up if you fallow the market link. Start HTC hub then chose "More" twice should be in that list on my Arrive its at the top of the list.
    05-28-2011 06:44 AM
  5. Mandos's Avatar
    I had tried that but there is no option to install at the bottom of the screen.
    I am wondering if Verizon disabled this feature.

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    05-28-2011 11:57 AM
  6. Grubish360's Avatar
    Oh wow you're right. I can't install it either. And I cannot find it in the Marketplace.
    05-28-2011 12:06 PM
  7. Mandos's Avatar
    I just stopped by a Verizon store. The rep didn't know anything about the Trophy other than that they had a sample phone and would be getting stock and accessories on June 2nd. He recommended contacting Verizon or HTC tech support.

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    05-28-2011 12:34 PM
  8. camaroguy's Avatar
    When HTC first came out with this app it required firmware update. I wonder if something in the firmware changed (due to Verizon) and its currently not supported.

    Side note: I love how the trophy id's itself by model number rather than name like every other windows phone. I am starting to think Verizon does way more than "test" phones on their network.
    05-28-2011 12:34 PM
  9. jimski's Avatar
    Hmm, I never saw the app in my HTC Hub, but I could always find it when searching the Marketplace for "Hidden Wi-Fi". Just tried that though and nothing, so it looks like HTC pulled it, maybe to make some changes or make it compatible with the Trophy. I have it installed on my Surround and it still works.

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    05-28-2011 12:52 PM
  10. Adiliyo's Avatar
    When HTC first came out with this app it required firmware update. I wonder if something in the firmware changed (due to Verizon) and its currently not supported.

    Side note: I love how the trophy id's itself by model number rather than name like every other windows phone. I am starting to think Verizon does way more than "test" phones on their network.
    with the amount of bugs that make it through verizon's "testing" i think they just throw the phones in a box until they feel like releasing them, and just tell everyone they're testing the phone.
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    05-28-2011 01:56 PM
  11. EJNelly's Avatar
    I think you're right, and my ENV3 agrees.
    05-28-2011 05:16 PM
  12. Mandos's Avatar
    Well I tried calling Verizon Sunday afternoon to get an answer on this, and Tier 1 support had to send me to Tier 2 support. They didn't have an answer either, and tried to connect me to the Windows Phone support group. They were not working on Sunday, and it was suggested that I try to call back on Tuesday.

    So next I went to HTC's site and submitted this email:
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    I just got a HTC Trophy from Verizon. I know that by default WP7 phones do not see hidden WiFi networks. I also know that HTC came out with a Hidden WiFi app a few months ago. I can see the Hidden WiFi app in the HTC Hub, but I am not seeing an optino to install it. Can you please let me know why?
    ************************************************

    This is the response I got:
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    I understand how important it is for you to be able to install this application. However, this application will not be available to you until the device receives an update. We unfortunately do not know exactly when this will be.

    However, in the mean time, Microsoft has concluded that having the Wi-Fi network hidden does not increase the security of the network in any way. Having the network hidden does not keep hackers from accessing your network because they way that they find the network is to look for a broadcasting signal. So, having the network hidden does not help as they can usually get the name of the network in about 30 seconds if they are trying to access it. So, there is really no point in having the network hidden, and I suggest just removing this from the network.

    To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
    Sincerely,
    HTC
    ************************************************

    I think that I either got a response from someone that doesn't know what they are doing or is arguing semantics. I am trying to connect my phone to the internet through my wireless router, and I usually have it set to not "Broadcast" the SSID, and therefore it is "Hidden". If hackers are looking for a "Broadcast" signal, and I am not "Broadcasting", then it seems like it would be more secure.

    Either way, based on the first paragraph there could be a future update from HTC that Verizon may allow, that would enable this app, or this could be part of Mango.
    05-31-2011 12:45 AM
  13. wreed's Avatar
    Why not broadcast it, connect, then take it off broadcast? Wouldn't that fix the problem?
    05-31-2011 07:59 AM
  14. thed's Avatar
    If hackers are looking for a "Broadcast" signal, and I am not "Broadcasting", then it seems like it would be more secure.
    While I think their response was kind of silly, and even though MS should have included hidden wifi support long ago, they're actually right about this. Hackers can discover a "hidden" wifi network pretty easily. You still should use good encryption. Just use WPA2 and a non-trivial password and you'll be fine.

    Unfortunately this won't work if your company isn't broadcasting their SSID and you have no control over their policy. It looks like we might have to wait for Mango for that.
    05-31-2011 09:22 AM
  15. Mandos's Avatar
    What is really frustrating is that HTC put a tile for the app in their Hub, but is now saying it isn't available.
    05-31-2011 11:50 AM
  16. Mandos's Avatar
    I got another email reply from HTC, indicating to me that they still did not understand my issue, so I decided to call their support number. They were very straight forward and helpful.

    Here is what was said.
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    The Hidden Wi-Fi app was a little buggy to begin with, and when NoDo was released (pre-installed on the Trophy), it killed the app.

    HTC is working on fixing the app with the next phone update. Try to download the app again once an update comes out.
    ******************

    So I at least got a straightforward answer and will watch for an update.
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    05-31-2011 01:06 PM
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