10-06-2012 02:05 AM
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  1. c8m6p's Avatar
    My personal bias aside, Apple will be a shell of what it is right now in 3-5 years. Guranteed.

    Apple is Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs, iPod. Steve Jobs, iTunes. Steve Jobs, iPhone. Steve Jobs, iPad. Steve Jobs, Pixar studios. Steve Jobs, NeXT. Etc, etc, etc.

    Who the **** is Tim Cook? He's no Jobs, and that's for damn sure. What has he done as CEO so far? Taken what Jobs has created and added a few features. What's Cook going to do long term for the growth of Apple? Technology is a tough, tough sector, in fact one of the most unforgiving. Especially phones. 2 years (at most) per phone, then you move on to the next best thing. I don't picture Cook coming up with any iPhone or iPad-like revolutionary ideas that will change squat.

    Jobs was so involved with what Apple was doing, he would criticize certain colors on icons because they weren't perfect. He was a master marketer, a master business man, a master desginer, and he had a chokehold on literally everything. Look at the iPhone5. It leaked out several months in advance, from several sources. Think that would happen with Jobs at the helm?

    Aside from all that hyperbole, you don't need to look farther than history to figure out what's going to happen to Apple.

    I highly reccomend the read "From Good to Great", a business book, which chronicles companies that had extended periods of mediocricy, followed by a period of >10 years of unbelievable success (a bubble), followed by more mediocricy or bankruptcy.

    What did all these companies have in common when they went through their periods of success? The CEOs. Each and every CEO shared the same qualities, the exact qualities Jobs exhibited while he was alive.

    And in every, single, case: Within 5 years of the "star" CEO stepping down (or dying in this case), every, single, one of those companies fizzled into nothingness.

    Cook can only ride the current crop of devices so long. Yeah, the iPhone5 is selling like crazy right now. But we all know the iPhone and iOS are getting played out. Even iPhone users admit it. Sooner or later the iPhone and iOS are going to need a major redesign, and when it sucks, forget about Apple, they're done.

    Just remember how much Apple sucked when Jobs wasn't there.

    I can't stand Ballmer as a person, but give him credit. He knows the PC and the Windows model is stale and took a HUGE risk on Windows 8. Guy has definetely got balls. There's no growth in the current Windows model, and no matter how many people tear Windows 8 apart because of the "Metro" interface, Ballmer made the right decision. It was either take a risk and make a radical change, or watch Windows die a slow, ridiculous, painful death.

    If Windows 8, fails MS is effectively done in the long term. They need to succeed in the consumer market and they are going all in with this. A failure would be catastrophic. If they do, they might as well just concentrate on the enterprise and the Xbox.
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    09-19-2012 12:40 AM
  2. addman's Avatar
    MS are a long-term strategical thinking entity. Just look at the Xbox, they just showed money down that hole until it became profitable a few years ago and now they're even expanding that "old" platform to home entertainment so they can squeeze some more out of it in preparation for the next Xbox which will benefit from those gains. Also, they can afford gambling on the consumer market because they own the business side. Apple though seem to be the "next big thing" type of company. They have put themselves in a position where they have to innovate, I don't think they'll get away with many more incremental iPhone updates. Of course the core followers will buy anything they'll release but not the larger not so fanatical share of users. I'd go as far to say that the iPhone 5 might be a turning point in how people perceive Apple as a company and a phenomenon. Sure, the iPhone 5 will fly off the shelves and so will the iPhone 5s/6 but in the long term -and that's what a business always need to strive for- they are hurting themselves. They need to throw some serious dough down to R&D and come up with something that wasn't new 5 years ago. Their arrogance may be their fall?
    09-19-2012 03:50 AM
  3. Simon Tupper's Avatar
    I like the 920!! :P

    Canadians are unfortunately all about "Apple" as tho its the next big thing, I have too many friends with Apple devices who have given me a hard time the past couple of years about my WP. Yet, they really haven't had an argument as to why their phone is so much better.

    Much to do with this is due to the carriers and marketing support for the iPhone. I've always been driven to be different and think outside the box. Which is why I never drank the juice.

    But over the past year, I have noticed a lot of my friends have switched to Android, and its about 50/50. I don't really have any friends that own a WP, just my family that own WPhones.

    But I love my WP, and I see a trend starting. If the US and the rest of the world accept the new Lumia 920 and sales start to increase and WP enters the corporate areas we might actually see some change. Some much needed change. I'm tired of seeing Crapple and so many ppl here following the followers.. its so boring.

    But it almost makes me not want them to change cause its my beautiful little gem that is all mine... that I can keep to myself... its.. its.. my PRECIOUS... mmmmm... hahaha
    I like the iPhone 5, it looks like a solid device, but I prefer windows phone simply because it fits me. I have a lot of good to say about Apple's products, when you have the money to pay of course. I have a PC W7 and a Macbook Pro, they both are good, but I tend to use the MacBook more, since it is faster, my pc is more for gaming an anything that needs higher performances.

    I think that people like the iPhone because it's just what you need... it is not too complicated like Android(elders and some girls know what I am talking about) and it does more than WP7. So I see why the iPhone is still popular, but if WP8 delivers, then some android and iPhone users may switch to WP and I really hope so.

    I still don't know which WP8 phone will be my next one, it might be the Lumia sice it will be out sooner, we'll see!
    09-19-2012 06:40 AM
  4. independentvolume's Avatar
    This thread has a lot of fail in it. There is a reason people gobble up iPhone, it's a very simple and smooth os that can do pretty much whatever one wants. It's sad how this community is getting. I just hope wp8 isn't a flop like 7 was. I literally know 3 People, including myself, with a windows phone. Everyone has an Android or iPhone.
    09-19-2012 07:26 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    This thread has a lot of fail in it. There is a reason people gobble up iPhone, it's a very simple and smooth os that can do pretty much whatever one wants. It's sad how this community is getting. I just hope wp8 isn't a flop like 7 was. I literally know 3 People, including myself, with a windows phone. Everyone has an Android or iPhone.
    You need to get out more.
    09-19-2012 03:05 PM
  6. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    I am ignoring what everyone has just said in this thread and saying:

    Yes, iPhone is no longer cool. Have you seen the HTC phones? Those designs! Coupled with the Lumia range, I think WP8 has the BEST looking phones out there!

    I really want to buy both and go around to iPhone owners saying, "You bought the wrong phone!" and show off my 8X and Lumia 920.
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    09-19-2012 03:39 PM
  7. Big Supes's Avatar
    I am ignoring what everyone has just said in this thread and saying:

    Yes, iPhone is no longer cool. Have you seen the HTC phones? Those designs! Coupled with the Lumia range, I think WP8 has the BEST looking phones out there!

    I really want to buy both and go around to iPhone owners saying, "You bought the wrong phone!" and show off my 8X and Lumia 920.
    Us WP peeps have a bright future on the horizon.

    :)
    09-19-2012 03:41 PM
  8. Rich Edmonds's Avatar
    This thread has a lot of fail in it. There is a reason people gobble up iPhone, it's a very simple and smooth os that can do pretty much whatever one wants. It's sad how this community is getting. I just hope wp8 isn't a flop like 7 was. I literally know 3 People, including myself, with a windows phone. Everyone has an Android or iPhone.
    Odd. Windows Phone is arguably the more "smooth" OS. Everything is 'added on' in iOS and especially OS X. I'm no Apple hater, I put my iPad 2, MacBook, Airport Extreme and Apple TV to good use in the house.

    I have a mixed eco-system - Linux & Windows workstations, Windows Phones and Mac products. I have good and bad comments about each - nothing's perfect in my book. Apart from the Airport Extreme anyway, which is hands down the best router I've used.

    Not sure why you commented on our community's progression? It seems to be growing just fine without an incredible amount of fanboy'ism. Sure, we can all get worked up about our favoured platform, but that's expected on each and every Mobile Nations community.

    We're only human. If you have any concerns with the community itself, you can always get in touch with us.
    09-19-2012 09:21 PM
  9. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    IPhone. That's what the article is about.
    What phone were you referring to when you said "this?"
    09-19-2012 10:30 PM
  10. WasteSomeTime's Avatar
    I disagree that the iPhone is easy to use. My first smartphone was a Windows Phone 7. However I have fiddled around with various iPhones and Androids and I never found them straightforward.



    I work as an IT Tech assistant and the fact that I find the Iphone system navigation overly complicated is a sad testament to why so many people would force themselves to learn a device simply because it is "cool" even though it is difficult to use. (I mean comparatively). My roommate was having some issues connecting to wireless networks with his iPhone 4 and so I examined his settings, and made connections to get it to work for him. What takes 3 clicks on my Windows Phone, took about 6 clicks and setting changes to make the network work on his iPhone 4. (That's not even including the monotonous navigation time.) I then even had to verify that it properly connected to the network because his gmail couldn't properly connect. That resulted in additional setting changes.



    Later I was showing him how I did some things on my Windows Phone and he was extremely impressed and a few days after said he couldn't wait to get the iPhone 5 because it was a "major" improvement. I then proceeded to explain that in reality the iPhone is almost the worst competitor (in terms of specs) on almost every account when compared to its competitors. He thought I was joking...
    This is funny and that is exactly what most IPhone users tell me. I left apple and android because I found the operating systems to be cluttered and disorganized. One has a pain in the *** navigation issue and the other can't manage ram. Whenever I hold the iPhone I'm always looking for a back button or something. Apple users always tell me the same thing " the iPhone is too good it doesn't need that stuff ". Oh yeah and once in a while they will tell me that you can't get custom keyboards on the windows phone. Not that it's needed.

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    09-19-2012 10:52 PM
  11. mikroland's Avatar
    I like the 920!! :P

    Canadians are unfortunately all about "Apple" as tho its the next big thing, I have too many friends with Apple devices who have given me a hard time the past couple of years about my WP. Yet, they really haven't had an argument as to why their phone is so much better.

    Much to do with this is due to the carriers and marketing support for the iPhone. I've always been driven to be different and think outside the box. Which is why I never drank the juice.

    But over the past year, I have noticed a lot of my friends have switched to Android, and its about 50/50. I don't really have any friends that own a WP, just my family that own WPhones.

    But I love my WP, and I see a trend starting. If the US and the rest of the world accept the new Lumia 920 and sales start to increase and WP enters the corporate areas we might actually see some change. Some much needed change. I'm tired of seeing Crapple and so many ppl here following the followers.. its so boring.

    But it almost makes me not want them to change cause its my beautiful little gem that is all mine... that I can keep to myself... its.. its.. my PRECIOUS... mmmmm... hahaha
    Yes too many iNaives out there!!! Tired of it, we NEED change. And Windows Phone 8 will FINALLY deliver that to us, I wholeheartedly believe.

    Lumia 920, here I come!!!
    09-19-2012 11:02 PM
  12. rabit1's Avatar
    I have used all of them. Android, IOS, WP7...

    I gave the iphone 4S to my wife. I didn't like it, a good phone but screen too small, OS too cumbersome actually, relying too much on apps. No back button. Seems like my wife doesn't really like it too. Mostly it is just sitting unused on her table. Only pick it up once in a while.

    I don't like android because it feels like a mess. Inconsistent interface, troublesome, problems with RAM, move to SD, lags.

    I have used and still actually using all of them. Android on my 7" Tab, IOS on my Ipad,
    But for the phone. It has got to be WindowsPhone. (can't wait to see WindowsRT for my tablet)

    I love my WP7. The best phone OS.
    09-19-2012 11:27 PM
  13. cckgz4's Avatar
    That's such a ton of crap that I'm surprised that your keyboard doesn't ... whatever.

    If you think that many people are worried over such social status that a phone can bring them, I think you're wrong.

    Many people upgraded from the 800 to the 900 for the extra screen real estate and didn't gain nothing "light years" ahead.

    Please show me a phone that is "light years" ahead of the last. And if you say the 920 is light years ahead of the 900 or the 800, then you need to grab a thesaurus.
    You just cant assume that. I saw someone literally post on imore that they'd be glad to pay 800 or more for an iPhone if it meant more people werent able to buy one
    09-20-2012 04:38 AM
  14. ilifecomputer's Avatar
    I think for the most part we will remain the few. Granted, I think the iphone 5 looks awesome but am still more excited about where wp dev is moving towards.

    I think when you have a large software attach rate (app store), people feel comfortable staying put. And there's something about the app store that makes people want to spend. Be it incredible sales, ridiculous variety etc...

    I give iphone "cool" dominance at least another 2-3 generation cycles. People in my lab getting out of contracts are still moving in hordes to get this 5 while I'm scratching my head.

    Ms has already showed us how hard it is to move development support away from critical masses. And we're barely seeing a shift towards developing more for Android as well.

    I'm a longtime ms fanboy but people who can be considered isheep will just think the old ladies with their phone are ironic and hip too.
    09-20-2012 04:59 AM
  15. suprphrk's Avatar
    I too went from a Focus to an L900. I did it more for the larger screen, faster processor and the most obvious reason was for the LTE since I have it in my area. I actually did a side by side comparison of loading PvZ and my L900 actually loaded it up 9 seconds faster.. that's pretty good and has saved me a ton of time over the past 6 months :D
    30% upgrade cause they have the ability to and have the upgrade credit or their contract is due for renewal.
    That's exactly why I'm going from iPhone 4S to iPhone 5. I'm on Sprint, and have 0 choices for WP7 or 8. I have nothing against it, but all of the other carriers' services are terrible at my house, and Sprint seems to be the only thing that will keep my calls going with a decent speed on the data side.

    All in all, it comes down to which your preference is. Cameras, meh. If Im looking for doing a good quality video (over 720p, which most phones do anyway), Ill take along my video camera that does 1080p and wont get interrupted if someone calls me. Thinner, who cares. Once you hit a certain point, thinner gets worse. I dont want to talk into a piece of paper or cardboard, it doesnt feel right in the hand. Phones - the bigger the screen, the worse it is... again, TO ME.

    Overall, theyre both awesome. Im leaning toward a Windows phone, but they just have to get up more in the market. Granted, Apple is SUPER-saturated with apps (I search for PDF viewer and it returns 65,535 apps, have to dig through them). Android, it just seems like its not quite polished enough for me. The experiences Ive had with what seems like leaks in Android make it frustrating, and they seem to get nowhere near the battery life that the Win/iOS gives.

    I think its a close race between Win and Apple, and Im torn. I like the good-ole standby of the Apple apps and what Im used to there. It seems like I can play with the phone more on an Apple. Windows does seem more buttoned-down, which is surprising, as far as stability and lack of runaway processes. So I think as the market gets more Windows-oriented (took Google a year or so) itll come down to who wants what.

    Again, I like to think of myself as a non iSheep. Since I've been here, my current job has allowed me to try out the iPhone 3GS, Evo, Evo 3D, Samsung (forget the model but it was WP7), iPhone 4S, iPad, iPad 2, Xoom, T-Mobile G-Slate, HP Slate 500, ASUS EP121, and Samsung Slate 7. I also have a MacBook and MBP at home, and have had iMacs, Windows PC's, and Linux boxes and loved and hated each. So I'm pretty un-biased when it comes down to it.

    Its kinda sad that I have to pick the best of the worst carriers and then Im pigeon-holed into phones based on that. I do like the iPhone though, and dont have any problems I cant get over. And as someone said - with what I've invested (iTunes, Apps, etc) the 200+ new features, non-ground-breaking as they may be, of the new iP5 are what's good enough for me to upgrade. Especially the 3 mentioned above.
    09-20-2012 09:24 AM
  16. Big Supes's Avatar
    I hear Apple had record queues this year...



    LMAO :D
    09-23-2012 09:39 AM
  17. bayotte's Avatar
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is it not? I do find it quite unfortunate that Apple are taking their clientel for idiots. It's the same ol', soon to be 10 year old OS but polished up differently. Karma will have it's way and it will catch up to them one day. I've been a Blackberry user for quite some time now, but I must admit that Windows Phone 8 is exactly the change I've been looking for. Fresh, intuative and modern. Thus far the Nokia Lumia 920 is my next device of choice. What a sexy phone!
    09-23-2012 11:18 AM
  18. WasteSomeTime's Avatar
    People but it because it's pretty. I've seen men buy the iPhone because they are under the impression that they will get laid faster. I wonder if I got the Nokia 920. Would I get laid faster? Then I could impress girls with my tiles.

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    09-23-2012 01:36 PM
  19. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    People but it because it's pretty. I've seen men buy the iPhone because they are under the impression that they will get laid faster. I wonder if I got the Nokia 920. Would I get laid faster? Then I could impress girls with my tiles.
    My goodness, if it were that simple, even I would succumb to the forbidden fruit, lol.
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    09-23-2012 01:49 PM
  20. WasteSomeTime's Avatar
    I have 2 friends that don't want the iPhone 5 because it doesn't have the iPhone 4s's the glass front and back. Its not shiny anymore. I wonder what the difference in percent a man has in being laid between the iPhone 4S & iPhone 5.


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    09-23-2012 02:25 PM
  21. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    If you don't like the iPhone and don't want to use one, what does it matter to you what everyone else is using.
    Yes too many iNaives out there!!! Tired of it, we NEED change. And Windows Phone 8 will FINALLY deliver that to us, I wholeheartedly believe.

    Lumia 920, here I come!!!
    09-23-2012 03:38 PM
  22. squire777's Avatar
    Analysts were saying they would sell about 6-10 million this past weekend but they didn't live up to that and only sold 5 million. It also went on sale in more countries (9) compared to previous releases so that translates to fewer sales per country.

    Looks like people are finally waking up and seeing other options out there. Makes sense why Apple is going after Samsung so badly - they're running scared about losing marketshare.
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    09-24-2012 11:37 PM
  23. Big Supes's Avatar
    Analysts were saying they would sell about 6-10 million this past weekend but they didn't live up to that and only sold 5 million. It also went on sale in more countries (9) compared to previous releases so that translates to fewer sales per country.

    Looks like people are finally waking up and seeing other options out there. Makes sense why Apple is going after Samsung so badly - they're running scared about losing marketshare.
    Analysts should have listened to Big Supes. :D

    In all seriousness though, analysts drive me insane. They can be so bias to keep confidence in a brand.
    09-25-2012 09:38 AM
  24. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Analysts were saying WP7 would have 10% of the market by now and 19.5% by 2015. So yeah, they just mainly all talk.
    09-25-2012 10:09 AM
  25. jimski's Avatar
    Analysts were saying WP7 would have 10% of the market by now and 19.5% by 2015. So yeah, they just mainly all talk.
    I think they said by the end of 2012, and it ain't over till the big Steve sings.

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    09-25-2012 10:49 AM
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