12-15-2015 05:53 PM
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  1. LindenSims's Avatar
    I am a Microsoft fanboy. Ive used nothing but Windows mobile devices since they were called Palm PCs. I bought my Lumia 1020 on day one and received one of the first Lumia 950 XLs on November 25. I so wanted to love this phone but I have since returned it. Heres why.
    I use my phone regularly for email, driving, and voicemail. Im used to swiping left and right between read and unread emails in three combined accounts on my 1020. The universal email app on the 950 was practically unusable for me since there was no unified inbox (and no ability to install insider builds), no swiping to see unread emails, and no images in the emails.
    I use Here Drive for my commute. Its not available on the 950 and neither is Google Maps. I wear trifocal glasses and Windows Hello just doesnt work with them. It works great without glasses. If I just lifted my glasses for a second it would quickly recognize me, but not with the glasses. I guess I need a fingerprint reader. I have a couple of DT-910 wireless charging stands that wont work with the 950 XL. But the real showstopper was that T-mobile visual voicemail doesnt work. It works on my 1020 but not the 950.
    Although my battery life was so-so I really liked the hardware. Theres not another phone that has all the hardware features I want like high-end camera, wireless charging, SD card, removable battery, camera button, etc. But giving up visual voicemail, a useable mail client, Here Drive or Google Maps, and my wireless charging stands felt more like a downgrade than an upgrade.
    I was hopeful that Project Astoria was going to give me the best of two worlds by allowing side-loading of Android apps but thats not going to happen. Nadella asks that we give him time to make the universal app plan work. I feel like Ive been giving Microsoft a little more time for the past five years.
    What disappoints me the most is that Im unsatisfied with the software, not the hardware. This is a little surprising coming from a software company. I would be willing to stick with Windows 10 and allow it to mature if I could run Android apps and use visual voicemail. Sadly, Microsoft said no to both of these.
    I guess Ill hold on to my 1020 a little longer to see if Microsoft and T-mobile can work something out. If they dont Ill see what Samsung has to offer in February.
    12-06-2015 02:06 PM
  2. ortizang's Avatar
    I'm switching
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    12-06-2015 02:12 PM
  3. CraigGB's Avatar
    Uh yes the grass really is greener on iPhone 6S. Great battery life, all the apps, ALL THE APPS. iOS does have some issues, but nothing deal-breaking.
    my experience was very different, sadly I would say no mobile OS is in a great state but I'm surprised people are so quick to drop the new Lumia's without seeing what the next update or two do. Windows 10 Mobile was launched with the new phones before it is ready that is true, but I haven't had that many crashes or bugs, it is more battery hungry then it should be for sure however the last couple of insider builds are much much better on other phones then previous builds battery wise and stability wise so I'm hopeful that should be fixed soon, personally I think it has huge potential.

    I would say that the original launch of iOS7 was okay, however iOS 8 and 9 were terrible, at launch both had battery issues, crashing issues, I experienced reboots, on my 6s Plus my home button would randomly become too hot to touch, it would reboot every other time I opened the camera, iCloud was broken. the phone was always warm and battery life sucked even after a hard reset with a fresh set up, the home button was fixed in the first update but battery life is still problematic now and even now after a few updates I wouldn't call it stable, in my experience iOS 8 was just as bad as Windows 10 Mobile is now when it launched. I consider iOS9 a stability update thankfully where they fixed a lot of it, still has a way to go though

    same with Android, KitKat was a bit of a mess but it was a huge overhaul, battery was much worse then previous version along with stability and only with Marshmallow have they fixed this for the most part, it's a huge improvement in most areas., I just hope they don't go backwards in the next version

    in my opinion this constant reinventing and heaps of new features being chucked in has resulted in all platforms being unstable, Windows Phone isn't the only one, both Android and iOS are going through the same thing, my hope is that Apple, Google and Microsoft start to focus on stability now they have brought about these huge overhauls to their respective platforms which it seems like they might be.

    oh and personally for me yes iOS had more apps yet I couldn't find a Reddit client anywhere as good as Readit and the official YouTube app was awful compared to Metrotube and Mytube, seriously the official YouTube app is terrible, really really bad!, I'm now hoping Google don't make one for Windows Phone it was that bad, lately they updated it and it's even worse!, I would say I'm actually happier in regards to apps on Windows Phone overall, I don't play many games or use that many apps and yes I'm likely the only person in the world to say that I know. :P
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    12-06-2015 05:25 PM
  4. EliteMikes's Avatar
    Wow. Lot many Lumias you have. Just one genuine question though. How do you identify exactly which phone is ringing when all those phones are lying around the house? I had only 3 lumias and was sick of running around checking all the phones when one rings since there is no way to set custom tones and only a few of the available default tones are really good.
    I only have one sim and 9 out of 10 times the rest are dead and not even on Wifi.
    Wife uses the 1520 (I think it's too big)
    820 was a dev phone
    920s have been retired (his and hers)
    520 was a spare cheap phone just to have. I let my 2 year old play with it.
    950 replaced my 930

    1520 and 930 are going up for sale soon on ebay. They both have their share of issues and I don't want to hold onto them
    12-06-2015 06:37 PM
  5. Iain_S's Avatar
    My 1520.3 goes 4+ days and that's on WM10 insider. One day is a BAD thing.
    you are comparing a phone with a hd screen to a qhd screen, different chipsets, less hardware. of course the 1520 will last longer.
    12-06-2015 08:12 PM
  6. Rupert Holmes's Avatar
    Your experience mirrors mine closely. After trying to use the 950XL for a week, I picked up my 1020 for the past two days and was reminded why I liked Windows phones. Just wiped my 950XL for the return. I too am considering Android, probably Motorola.
    12-06-2015 09:23 PM
  7. cracgor's Avatar
    my experience was very different, sadly I would say no mobile OS is in a great state but I'm surprised people are so quick to drop the new Lumia's without seeing what the next update or two do.
    For the price I expected it to at least least be usable. My model was in the first shipment and I spent two days trying to work out the bugs... We are about halfway through my return window and I already have a different phone on the way to try out. Honestly, after struggling with it and trying for two days, I decided maybe I should research other options. I'm equally surprised people would beta test for brand loyalty.
    12-07-2015 12:03 AM
  8. David Bladen's Avatar
    I think you have hit the nail on the head there. There is quite a difference between splashing out 500 on a phone and installing beta software on an old phone, getting the same beta experience on a new phone is a bad idea.

    Imagine if you had never had a windows phone before and you get a 950xl with all these problems. It's not going to convince you to stick with WP.

    That being said, W10 is running like a dream on my 930 and gets better with every update.
    12-07-2015 02:24 AM
  9. jasongw's Avatar
    People shouldn't. I've been a Windows Phone supporter for five years, but Windows 10 mobile is SO awful I finally bailed and went Android.

    Windows Phone is dead. Market share has plummeted to less than 2%, and it's not going to rise again. It's over, and it's Microsoft's fault, 100%. They did a terrible job of advertising and supporting the phones, and when it came time to upgrade the OS they gutted everything great about 8.1.
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    12-07-2015 02:37 AM
  10. bilemke's Avatar
    This thread may yet scare me into canceling the pre-order (since 11/16 like others, but a slight issue cause me to catch the late 11/16 order with the 12/11 ship date).

    oh and personally for me yes iOS had more apps yet I couldn't find a Reddit client anywhere as good as Readit and the official YouTube app was awful compared to Metrotube and Mytube, seriously the official YouTube app is terrible, really really bad!, I'm now hoping Google don't make one for Windows Phone it was that bad, lately they updated it and it's even worse!, I would say I'm actually happier in regards to apps on Windows Phone overall, I don't play many games or use that many apps and yes I'm likely the only person in the world to say that I know. :P
    You are not the only one. I noted this when asked why I was buying another Windows Phone. Especially for a phone to get things done that I need for work and make phone calls, I will take Win Phone. Family with iPhones that to this day still have partial lockups (phone appears to be working) where calls don't come in. I need the phone to be a phone first. Mind you, scary thread about "reboots" of the 950 XL out there as well. But, I almost would rather have it auto reboot then partial lock like I have seen iOS do and miss a call completely. Sad I have to say that, but it's true. And Android devices are no perfect exception to that either.

    As others have said, might be a bit yet. Heck, Monday is supposed to be first day of 950/950XL being able to be part of Insider Preview. Maybe a fix for some issues is already on the way. Maybe not, but if it is I will be on the lookout for cheap barely used 950's from you guys.
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    12-07-2015 02:51 AM
  11. ReachJasonHere's Avatar
    This is a sad thread. If you don't like the phone or the OS, then you are better off with something different. Trying to convince others that Windows Phone is dead and we should all jump ship is ridiculous. I got mine via pre-order shipment the day before Thanksgiving and the biggest issues I've had were due to a bad tempered glass design that I added. I get great battery life and the phone is incredibly stable (unlike insider builds on my 920 and 830). I do miss double-tap and quiet hours, but those will come. I love universal apps and the camera quality -not to mention continuum. I don't know that it's going to win converts but leave that to the next generation a year from now. Good luck to you ship-jumpers, I hope you don't find flaws in your next device.
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    12-07-2015 03:07 AM
  12. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    Wait. Why isnt Quiet Hours there? o_O Shouldn't that be a basic Cortana function?
    12-07-2015 03:09 AM
  13. GMJeff's Avatar
    This thread may yet scare me into canceling the pre-order (since 11/16 like others, but a slight issue cause me to catch the late 11/16 order with the 12/11 ship date).



    You are not the only one. I noted this when asked why I was buying another Windows Phone. Especially for a phone to get things done that I need for work and make phone calls, I will take Win Phone. Family with iPhones that to this day still have partial lockups (phone appears to be working) where calls don't come in. I need the phone to be a phone first. Mind you, scary thread about "reboots" of the 950 XL out there as well. But, I almost would rather have it auto reboot then partial lock like I have seen iOS do and miss a call completely. Sad I have to say that, but it's true. And Android devices are no perfect exception to that either.

    As others have said, might be a bit yet. Heck, Monday is supposed to be first day of 950/950XL being able to be part of Insider Preview. Maybe a fix for some issues is already on the way. Maybe not, but if it is I will be on the lookout for cheap barely used 950's from you guys.
    Just for a little positive spin, I have had my 950xl since the first batch were shipped.

    I have had some minor hiccups here and there, but nothing that I would consider a major problem.

    I did perform a hard reset on the phone and a clean install (no restore). It seems that a restore can carry over some data/settings can make the OS buggy.
    12-07-2015 03:14 AM
  14. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    I'm confused I have not had any issues, the o/s is nice on uk 950xl, no crashing, I restored from back up too...
    12-07-2015 05:00 AM
  15. Fred Shumacher's Avatar
    Why on earth would I like to get rid of my Lumia 950XL? I know the OS is not mature enough and there some issues, but that does not change the fact that this is one beautiful, powerful, safe and supreme-useful all-in-one device.
    VPN does still posses a problem (no OpenVPN/L2TP failes on Commercial actors...)

    Truly waiting for the OS to mature Up, potentials are vast, and feedback is required to keep MS pushing those fixes we need and found.
    12-07-2015 05:25 AM
  16. Chad Welsh's Avatar
    it is usable i have been using mine since day one and i have no problems, the latest W10M .29 update on my 640 makes it a different phone!!! you people complain way too much!!! why don't you use you superior skills at building phones and apply at microsoft and have someone complain about YOUR phone design!!!!! Always complain until you are put in the spotlight and then again it becomes someone else fault and not yours. MOVE ALONG AND KISS GOOGLE AND APPLE, THIS IS NOT THE PHONE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!

    For the price I expected it to at least least be usable. My model was in the first shipment and I spent two days trying to work out the bugs... We are about halfway through my return window and I already have a different phone on the way to try out. Honestly, after struggling with it and trying for two days, I decided maybe I should research other options. I'm equally surprised people would beta test for brand loyalty.
    12-07-2015 06:50 AM
  17. cracgor's Avatar
    it is usable i have been using mine since day one and i have no problems, the latest W10M .29 update on my 640 makes it a different phone!!! you people complain way too much!!! why don't you use you superior skills at building phones and apply at microsoft and have someone complain about YOUR phone design!!!!! Always complain until you are put in the spotlight and then again it becomes someone else fault and not yours. MOVE ALONG AND KISS GOOGLE AND APPLE, THIS IS NOT THE PHONE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!
    I guess my experience is invalidated by yours. I apologize. I'm excited about it again!
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    12-07-2015 07:17 AM
  18. Chad Welsh's Avatar
    @cracgor - You have your complaints but quit posting a 1000 posts a day stating your 950 is the worst thing the world. We all have heard it and its a broken record. You don't like it so move to android or apple and leave the rest of us alone. We like it and the experience it gives us and you can go to the android central forum or one of the many apple forums and complain or praise over there. I think I speak for the majority that use this site that we are SICK of all the continuous complainers here and would like it to stop!!!!!!

    We know there is problems but they will be worked out. Rome was not built in a day and did not fall in a day either so just stop the incessant whining and get over yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    12-07-2015 07:43 AM
  19. KW28's Avatar
    Still waiting for my 950XL to arrive.

    Other OS's and devices have their own problems.

    My experiences for example. Nexus 7 loads of reports of users updating the OS and the device became crippled. I have refused to update the OS as a result.
    Nvidia Shield Tablet - Very unstable, cracked edges, poor wifi, dodgy battery with a worldwide recall. I still use this tablet after 2 replacements. It is one of the fastest for OS updates and for that its also one of the buggiest.

    Of course the above are tablets, but are similar to mobile phones.

    My 1520.1 suffers from ghost tapping, but has the best battery I have every had. Still wouldn't last 4 days though! At best 1.5 days. All other phones wouldn't last a day and so i have adopted a solution where I have charging points at work, in the car, bedroom and living room.
    12-07-2015 09:55 AM
  20. Krystianpants's Avatar
    This forum really is hostile if someone disagrees with you.
    May iI ask what firmware version you have? System> about. I have 15454. Apparently some may have an older one running.
    12-07-2015 10:14 AM
  21. Pete's Avatar
    How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

    There you go. No more myths. Battery engineers even say that completely discharging is not good. It also says so in the manual of my laptop which has a lithium ion cell. Also ,when you store it away for a long time, do it with a 40% charge.
    You might notice that this article was written over 5 years ago and I wish that people would stop citing it as current advice. Battery technology has moved on a great deal since then And I have certainly never run across any problems with battery memory or fading. These days, a phone battery will easily outlast the life of the phone without any significant degradation in efficiency.
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    12-07-2015 10:19 AM
  22. mcmc08's Avatar
    I didn't read every post on this thread, so it could be that someone already brought this up, but ... I just wonder what the OP could have possibly hoped to accomplished by starting this thread. It seems more like a pity party to me--"I'm having problems, so let's see how many others I can get to complain as well." To me it seems like he was looking for support to help him leave WM10, rather than being able to make the decision for himself.

    Complaining is fine when done in the appropriate sphere. If you have issues, let Microsoft know. They've been open to our suggestions/problems. But complaining for the sake of complaining just sows discontent. And if you are truly having problems, look for solutions. Many of the issues I originally had with my 950XL were because I restored from a previous backup. At this point it's been pretty solid--definitely no major issues that have affected overall usability. I'm confident MS will fix the minor issues I've had and bring back features that were left out. If you're building a house, landscaping is the least of your concerns and always the last thing that happens. Now that the core OS is in place, I'm sure the "landscaping" will be done. But it takes time.

    If you want to leave WM10, it's your decision. Just don't make it your mission in life to try to take everyone else with you. There are plenty of us that have had a good experience with WP/WM10.
    Last edited by mcmc08; 12-07-2015 at 12:10 PM.
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    12-07-2015 11:31 AM
  23. hardly_here's Avatar
    Have you tried limiting background tasks/etc. I seem to be getting decent battery life, but I know some aren't as fortunate as I am.
    I am getting a decent 10hrs on my 920 with Windows10. Few things i did: Limit my background tasks/downloads (helps the phone from getting too hot as well). I also changed the battery saver to kick in when the batter drops to 40% or lower.
    12-07-2015 11:43 AM
  24. Asgardi's Avatar
    You are right. But for you and everybody else; it is still running on beta firmware (don't ask me how I know :). So expect better battery life from these phones early next year. That said, I'm not asking you to wait. Since its MS alright ;)
    12-07-2015 12:45 PM
  25. laserfloyd's Avatar
    WM10 and the newer Lumias are like two ships passing in the night. They only get a glimpse of the other. In one you have the future of the mobile OS that's not quite done. The other is the hardware that's on the way out. The lack of enthusiasm that Panos had for the device was very telling. His body language was "This is not how I'd design a phone." When he came out with the SP4 he was pumped. So, to me the fledgling OS and the old guard hardware (Lumias) are going to be together for a short time and next year we'll get some truly amazing hardware. With Panos leading up that department now, I'm excited to see what HE will be excited about. I think we'll get some of that original Lumia excitement back. Just my opinion. :)
    12-07-2015 01:16 PM
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