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  1. mathewhayward's Avatar
    The last Windows Phone I buy? Possibly not. I may come back in the future but for now, I'm done with Windows Phone and have bought a Galaxy S7 Edge.
    08-06-2016 10:10 AM
  2. Mohammad Abdul Gaffar's Avatar
    Basically the 950 xl/950 would be the last flagships from Microsoft as a hardware manufacturer on the mobile division. 950/950xl is solid hardware. It can hold up to 3 years plus based on our usage. But the platform and support isn't dead. Microsoft leaving the hardware won't end the support for software because it's not the hardware they are focussing on but rather on the software eco-system for PC, Mobile, Xbox, HoloLens etc. Therefore in order to expand the software and improve them, the Lumia Hardware will be compatible for the next 3 years or so with constant major upgrades. Remember. It's not mobile anymore. It's one Eco system. Welcome to the family of 350 million Windows 10 users. We are benchmarking this new evolution of computing on the unified eco system. Once this hardware is outdated (950/950xl), as per the potential Microsoft has shown with this ecosystem and the upcoming third party OEMs working on new hardware, this platform is no way dead nor will we be left alone. This is a huge wheel. And lets support Microsoft further and see this new evolution of unified ecosystems along with the growth of UWP apps. Microsoft stops hardware, well who cares. HP is working bigtime on better hardware as well as other like NuAns, Cube and also I remember reading news on Xiaomi Phones as well. There will be growth. Peace.
    08-06-2016 11:55 AM
  3. PGrey's Avatar
    Yeah, I have to admit, this latest battery debacle I'm having with the RS1 build has sort of done me in.
    I started looking at S7 Active's, thinking I could have WiFi call/text too, and not stress over whether or not my batter would survive the next update, and similar. Stopped short over doing anything (partly because they're just too darn expensive right now, and partly because I'm also thinking maybe a Nexus 6P, if I do it).
    I did another reset (3 resets now in 4 days, where I'd only done 1 in 6 months previously), and my battery is somewhat working again, not the insane-drain rate, but still not as good as 494. Not to mention, I don't trust it, I never figured out what happened that caused it in the first place, so who knows if/when happen again.
    I'm a long time fan, but recent events have been really rough, for daily use, we'll see, I'll probably wait a bit either way, the S7 I want isn't in the budget right now, and I'm torn on the Nexus too.
    08-07-2016 04:33 AM
  4. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Yeah, I have to admit, this latest battery debacle I'm having with the RS1 build has sort of done me in.
    I started looking at S7 Active's, thinking I could have WiFi call/text too, and not stress over whether or not my batter would survive the next update, and similar. Stopped short over doing anything (partly because they're just too darn expensive right now, and partly because I'm also thinking maybe a Nexus 6P, if I do it).
    I did another reset (3 resets now in 4 days, where I'd only done 1 in 6 months previously), and my battery is somewhat working again, not the insane-drain rate, but still not as good as 494. Not to mention, I don't trust it, I never figured out what happened that caused it in the first place, so who knows if/when happen again.
    I'm a long time fan, but recent events have been really rough, for daily use, we'll see, I'll probably wait a bit either way, the S7 I want isn't in the budget right now, and I'm torn on the Nexus too.
    Re: PGrey,
    My Windows phone works great, but I would never ever join a beta release program for any software. May I ask, if you jump ship and get a s7 or nexus, will you immediately put their pre-release beta os on it? That way you could properly experience their hic ups too. Just curious.
    Best Wishes.
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    08-09-2016 05:15 PM
  5. PGrey's Avatar
    Re: Kevin Rush

    No, probably not, but I'm not much of an Android enthusiast, although I have run pre-release builds on Android phones before, doing dev. work. There were issues, but usually not quite like this.

    I've been running Alpha and Beta builds since Win 3.1, some of it as part of work, some just for my own edification. I get the issues involved, over all those years/releases, really, I do.
    I think it comes down to things like 14393.5 on Release Preview, and the stability issues pushed out there. While I don't expect perfection, by any stretch, I also don't expect my phone to nuke its battery in a matter of a couple of hours, so that I have to hard-reset to get out of the loop, given that the reporting tools aren't accurately depicting the actual drain source.
    If I had been on the Slow or Fast rings, I wouldn't have been so irritated, but RP shouldn't exhibit issues like this, particularly on the latest flagship models, which are certainly part of the test bed.

    Not having WiFi calling/texting is more likely to make me jump ship, eventually, this is killing me on a lot of my winter weekends now, when I could have regular connectivity, but can't, because no carrier that supports Windows phones has coverage where I'm at, and no carrier really supports WiFi calling on Windows phones either, in the US (okay, so T-Mobile supports one phone, a one-off, doesn't count, IMHO).
    Right now, I run a hokey, forwarded VOIP solution, which sort of works, maybe, on a good day, and drains my battery like crazy, by its polling nature.
    MS should work with the carriers to get this ironed out, and use some of their influence, if they really want to showcase the OS, going forward.
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    08-09-2016 08:02 PM
  6. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Re: Kevin Rush

    No, probably not, but I'm not much of an Android enthusiast, although I have run pre-release builds on Android phones before, doing dev. work. There were issues, but usually not quite like this.

    I've been running Alpha and Beta builds since Win 3.1, some of it as part of work, some just for my own edification. I get the issues involved, over all those years/releases, really, I do.
    I think it comes down to things like 14393.5 on Release Preview, and the stability issues pushed out there. While I don't expect perfection, by any stretch, I also don't expect my phone to nuke its battery in a matter of a couple of hours, so that I have to hard-reset to get out of the loop, given that the reporting tools aren't accurately depicting the actual drain source.
    If I had been on the Slow or Fast rings, I wouldn't have been so irritated, but RP shouldn't exhibit issues like this, particularly on the latest flagship models, which are certainly part of the test bed.

    Not having WiFi calling/texting is more likely to make me jump ship, eventually, this is killing me on a lot of my winter weekends now, when I could have regular connectivity, but can't, because no carrier that supports Windows phones has coverage where I'm at, and no carrier really supports WiFi calling on Windows phones either, in the US (okay, so T-Mobile supports one phone, a one-off, doesn't count, IMHO).
    Right now, I run a hokey, forwarded VOIP solution, which sort of works, maybe, on a good day, and drains my battery like crazy, by its polling nature.
    MS should work with the carriers to get this ironed out, and use some of their influence, if they really want to showcase the OS, going forward.
    Re: PGrey,
    Thank you for your informative response to my comment.

    Your comment makes me think Microsoft should really improve the quality of their original work and their quality control and quality assurance practices. Maybe Microsoft depends too much on the fans as beta testers for the mobile OS? I wonder how good, the fan beta testers, really are? Certainly, the fan beta testers for the mobile OS get no training nor operate under any rigorous procedural policies. How good is their information? How good could it be?

    Let's hope for the best and that Microsoft will improve and innovate too.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 08-10-2016 at 08:07 AM.
    08-09-2016 10:21 PM
  7. PGrey's Avatar
    Beta testing is great, and it's essential, if you're working on apps or similar, for an upcoming release.

    It's also great, if you're wanting to run a secondary phone, or take the "hit" of running a more buggy (fast or slow rings) OS, during release, and file bugs, accordingly. This is all good stuff, good for everyone, IMO, since beta testers are often more "tough" on the OS, in general, than the users as a whole.

    What's not great, is if you're running a release ring (Release Preview) that should have all major functionality working, maybe with some minor flaws, but it's full of HUGE flaws/issues. Sometimes this is know, but I've gone back, after installing some of these builds, and have found pretty much no mention of the issues, so it's hard to know, how much was known/accepted, and how much was just lack of a real test run.
    In theory, even on the regular Windows Mobile test team, they should be running regressions, against all these builds, and then they go to respective rings. As features propagate up through the branches, the same system "should" filter out the key issues, through a series of unit-tests and core-functionality tests. I used to work on some of these, more on the h/w test side, so I have some introspective, from awhile back though.

    What appears to be happening, is that minimal testing is being done, in particular possibly things are getting integrated between branches, with minimal regression testing, and into the Release Preview builds, which is unfortunate, as it tends to drive people away from these builds, if they can't even use their devices for core functions.

    I don't know, the Windows Mobile is definitely a "work in progress", and moving to a more-or-less singular code base was feat in itself, something that was discussed for many years, and hemmed and hawed over, again and again.
    Hopefully there will be enough Mobile beta testers around, to keep up the momentum, when the dust settles ;-]
    08-09-2016 11:40 PM
  8. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    If the fan beta testing program, for the MS mobile OS, drives the beta testers away to other competing mobile platforms, something is wrong. It should engage the MS fans and be a feature, for those fans, not found elsewhere.

    Just my thoughts. I'm not a beta tester. My phone works great. I'm not leaving.

    Best Wishes
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    08-10-2016 08:17 AM
  9. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    Re: PGrey,
    My Windows phone works great, but I would never ever join a beta release program for any software. May I ask, if you jump ship and get a s7 or nexus, will you immediately put their pre-release beta os on it? That way you could properly experience their hic ups too. Just curious.
    Best Wishes.
    I would not jump into the Android Beta program, BUT, I can bet you dollars to donuts that the stock Android Version that came with the phone would not have been the garbage released with the 950XL.
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    08-10-2016 12:49 PM
  10. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    Here is another big miss by MSFT. Most of us here came from a windows phone 8.1 phone that was AWESOME. So we hear that Windows Phone 10 is coming out. We wouldn't expect it to be a big step backwards in much functionality, and be a horrible batter drain when released.

    Honestly think about it. Has any Android or iOS release been a major step backwards from a previous release? Don't tell me, it's getting on oneCore garbage. That doesn't play to the consumer.
    08-10-2016 12:51 PM
  11. JRDEMASKUS's Avatar
    Here is another big miss by MSFT. Most of us here came from a windows phone 8.1 phone that was AWESOME. So we hear that Windows Phone 10 is coming out. We wouldn't expect it to be a big step backwards in much functionality, and be a horrible battery drain when released.

    Honestly think about it. Has any Android or iOS release been a major step backwards from a previous release?
    Unfortunately I have thought every major OS change was a step backwards since 7.0.
    6.5x was MY ideal OS, at the time.

    Android disappoints with how little it changes. I always seem to expect more. There seems to me, only one or 2 major changes with each version.
    But no, I have never thought Android was going backwards, losing functionality that it already had, only to be restored later, in another update.
    But I could be wrong, as I spend less and less time exploring functionality, and more time just using the devices as needed.
    08-10-2016 02:03 PM
  12. legend921's Avatar
    This will not be the last Windows Phone that I buy that's for sure. I am OS agnostic so I basically use all of them. I also own an iPhone 6s Plus and it has been good for the most part, however, I decided to switch over to my 950XL recently to give Windows another try. Ironically I switched to the Window's Phone as I was deactivating my FB to get away and other social media to break away from the addiction. Anyway, before I used to complain about the lack of financial apps as my bank doesn't have a Windows app. This was a big issue as I always liked to deposit checks at my convenience. Now since I don't use that app as much, the app gap is not a big deal. There are a lot of great apps that are written by third parties which far exceeds the native apps on other platforms such as YouTube. Windows 10 has matured more and more and I like where Microsoft is heading since Satya Nadella took over the reigns. Everything works and everything is moving at a faster pace than ever before. Also, having the Mozo leather case on the 950XL breaks up the monotony of all the other phones out there. People compliment on it and they always ask what phone is that. Looking forward to all the new updates and apps. I hope this turns the platform around big time for the bigger market.
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    08-10-2016 06:51 PM
  13. PGrey's Avatar
    Check out my latest comments on the Slow WiFi thread, for a great example of a bug that shouldn't be in a RTM-level build (14393.67), something I might expect during Beta, on the fast-ring...
    08-10-2016 11:04 PM
  14. legend921's Avatar
    That's strange. I just did a check and my WiFi is at the rated speed of my internet service. I hope yours get figured out soon.
    08-13-2016 05:33 AM
  15. GF Wong's Avatar
    Coming from Nokia's Symbian (5800, N8, 808) to Windows Phone/ 10 Mobile (920, 1520, 950XL) this is how I feel. (I posted this comment in AAWP and edited it for this forum. Please pardon the reference)

    With the current launch of Note 7, I am really tempted. The only reason that is holding me back from jumping straight away is that my 950 XL is less than 1 year old. I bought it with about the same price as a Note 7 less than a year ago.

    I agree that the camera is amazing and is still is. Tri-color flash, Dynamic flash, living images are just a few that I very much love. However, I do feel that the Lumia imaging DNA has very much been diluted under Microsoft in W10M. There's the missing action shot (in Lumia Moments). There are also Lumia Refocus, Dolby 5.1 that is missing on 950 XL, Pure Motion Display. And I love the Lumia Storyteller app that can make short 30s videos of photos that we have taken with some background music, almost automatically. Those are some cool Lumia DNA that I missed very much (sob, sob) - apart from vibrant colourful, well-built phone. I have a Mozo case on my 950 XL. It does make the phone look a little premium with those metallic frame but it made look it generic. Nothing like those good old Lumias and nothing like the sexy curved glass-metal Note 7 that is IP68 rated :-P.

    Following Steve's (in AAWP) coverage on the comparison between 950XL and S7 Edge camera, yes 950 XL still have an edge (pun intended) but a very narrow one. And as a father of 2 young kids, I mostly shoot them. Pictures of them. The fast focusing and low light performance of the Samsung would be a benefit but the long press hold 4k video helped too - with occasional focus hunting in low light :-(.

    When Nokia first showed off the over-sampling technology, it was mind blowing. I still have my 808 as a pure camera but the lack of OIS is a problem for Mr. Shaky-hands like me. However, as we progressed from L1520 to 950 XL, the over-sampling seems to worked a little less, now. Not as good as the 808. And with my 950 XL, I am suspecting if there is actually over-sampling at all. Last time there is an option to capture both 8MP+19MP JPEG but not we can only choose either. With this we no longer have "capture now, zoom later" capability. I loved how Juha Alarkahu said it. And we can reframe multiple times with the hi-res photo. Another missing Lumia DNA.

    These are all the innovations that were built by Nokia and the Lumia brand name that has been removed silently under W10M. These were the DNA that I would show off to my friends (only very few Malaysian knows about Windows Phone/ W10M). Back in the days when I was using my 1520, I had somebody that came up to me and said, "I didn't know Nokia had smart phone!" And when I tell somebody that I am now rocking a Microsoft phone, most of my friends would have their eyes opened in disbelief. Marketing is rather poor and with those cool DNA removed, "how to sell lah?" I do not think that these DNA will be injected in again by Microsoft now that they focusing more on enterprise customers.

    So that lands me here. Wait another year and switch to Note 8, maybe. I guess that in the coming one year period, there will be more news of app leaving W10M (not that I use them anyway). There will be not much device that will be made compatible with W10M - like my car head unit that only support Android and iOS. The camera edge has become so narrow that sacrificing practicality and convenience for it no longer seem viable.

    Even if the rumored Surface Phone is true, it's just going to be a another high tech W10M phone. What would make it stand out among Android and iOS "sea of slabs"? If hardware specs is almost identical, with the current state of the OS, apps, developers support, will it attract new customers? I don't think so. Yes, maybe they can throw in a snapdragon 830 or maybe 840 or whatever latest and greatest chip. Glass metal design, IP68. I think what customers like us look for is not only hardware but a good ecosystem. An all rounder piece of tech that has the least compromise. Good camera (maybe not the best but ranked 2nd :-P), plenty apps, convenience, compatibility (something that'll work with my car head unit, OBD dongle, TPMS, dash cam), supported by many third parties.

    With Microsoft gearing towards enterprise, I don't think they will develop anything ground breaking. No wow factor.

    Well, I still have a year to observe before my 950XL ages and nags for me to replace it. No hurry. I'll just keep enjoying every moment of its great imaging tech for now. It's still priceless to see others expression when I show them dynamic flash.

    Symbian>Windows Phone 8>Windows Phone 8.1>Windows 10 Mobile>?
    Last edited by GF Wong; 08-15-2016 at 10:28 PM.
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    08-15-2016 07:45 PM
  16. BenGutt's Avatar
    I'm really, really torn. I've got a 950xl, which is great, but as everyone in the world will tell you it is missing a heck of a lot of apps. Lots of people tell me that is an issue.

    I'm not an app person, never have been. For example, I far prefer the amazon web page in desktop mode to the app we have recently lost.
    As I got the L920 on release date, I've not had a phone with access to apps for a very long time.

    However I do wonder if I'm not an app person simply because I don't know what I'm missing.

    Yesterday, I had a really long look at the Galaxy S7 Edge. There are so many apps for devices I can only partly use at home. Where there are Windows apps, they don't work as fully as Android/iOS.

    Then I spot the news about the 1.4 billion devices exposed to a flaw, that in the majority of cases will not get fixed due to the fragmentation of the Android update process.

    This puts me right back to square one. I'm with Windows Mobile as it's more secure, it ticks the boxes I know I want ticked. I'd love to find out if I'm an app person or not, but I could end up with a device that's been cracked and is broadcasting all my private info. Is the trade off for apps worth risking my banking credentials etc?

    To answer the OP, I really don't know if this is my last Windows phone or not. I was going to get the Surface phone if/when it gets released, but now I'll be holding off until I can see more traction on our side of the app gap. I'm near to jumping ship, but I can't find anything that I can be confident to jump to. And I can't see that changing any time soon.
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    08-17-2016 06:54 AM
  17. CronGM's Avatar
    Most probably. I've been slightly disappointed coming into Windows 10 with the 950 XL. A lot of bugs and small details that were there since day one are still present to this day. Since upgrading yesterday to the Anniversary edition I've had frequent network disconnects, and I notice that the UI feels sluggish when unlocking the screen or opening certain menus (swiping to see all my apps before was immediate, now it has a slight delay).

    Samsung's galaxy line has been getting more and more attractive with each iteration, and its hardware looks top-notch, so an S7 or future S8 are certainly options for me right now. The upcoming "Surface" Phone will need to be very, very sexy for me to lay to rest my doubts on Windows mobile.
    08-18-2016 12:57 PM
  18. twint7787's Avatar
    You can only really judge Android by using a Nexus or a high end Galaxy. Nothing else really. And its kind of unfair because the 950 is supposed to be a high end Windows device so how can you compare it to BLU. Even tho the Vivo Air is one of their more expensive phones they have a terrible track record.
    08-19-2016 02:10 PM
  19. Mafiatounes's Avatar
    I will be buying an XL this week when my S7 Edge is sold, i changed from a 930 to the S7 however i miss WM10 in daily usage. So if i have an option i will buy a WM phone this will not change.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
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    08-20-2016 02:19 PM
  20. dgr_874's Avatar
    My old Lumia 1520 finally died on me and I am wrestling with the idea of getting another 1520 or making the jump to the 950 XL. I can get the 1520 for about $150-175 dollars now vs the 950 XL at $500. Is the 950 XL worth $300 more dollars? Would there be a noticeable jump in performance, especially with the camera? All the horror stories that people have talked about worry me some, although it seems most of that has been fixed with the AU update.

    I have never been an app guy (mobile websites work for me 99% of the time) and I'm pretty much all Microsoft with an Xbox one, Gaming PC, and surface pro tablet. I really miss the OS (I'm using a Nexus 6 and a Galaxy S6 Active right now, anyone want to trade? lol)

    Is the jump worth it?
    08-22-2016 12:19 PM
  21. Marcin Dabrowsky's Avatar
    I will be giving the Elite x3 a spin when it comes out... I will have 15-30 days return window to make sure it works well. I am still using the Lumia 950 XL / iPhone 6s plus for now, but I will be starting a job heavily dependent on office and outlook and MS productivity so I am thinking the X3 may be the answer. I don't use any social media and don't do much gaming. I call, text, and read a lot on it. That's it. Oh and navigation now and then. It may be the answer for me, depending on what the camera has in store.
    08-22-2016 01:03 PM
  22. Mafiatounes's Avatar
    So i finally have my 950 XL, my last W10m experience was with a 930 and at that time 1-2 months after W10m preview release i had too many issue's with my daily driver.

    Now months further newer hardware and with the Anniversary update i feel like the OS is almost there. A couple of annoying things at this moment with the latest FW is that sometimes it takes 3-5 seconds after button press for the screen to wake up. Apart from that one issue i still feel like battery and performance needs some work i am not sure if this is due to the OS/FW or apps which are written for WP 8/8.1 and not well optimised for newer hardware/OS. Either way i am glad to be back on W10M and will def choose another W10M device if needed.
    Originally posted by Mafiatounes
    I will be buying an XL this week when my S7 Edge is sold, i changed from a 930 to the S7 however i miss WM10 in daily usage. So if i have an option i will buy a WM phone this will not change.

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    08-28-2016 05:45 AM
  23. Stephen Lau's Avatar
    Nope.
    08-28-2016 12:25 PM
  24. 0wen's Avatar
    If there are no more devices it will definitely be the last. 😐 Tbh windows mobile would be absolutely fine if only it had google services and youTube.
    08-31-2016 09:15 AM
  25. banker1985's Avatar
    I really don't know. I jumped on WP in late 2013 with a Lumia 920 which I absolutely loved. I bought a 950XL in November 2015 and have been very disappointed in the experience. I recommended WP to everyone that didn't care about the latest and greatest apps but have not once recommended W 10 Mobile. First, the 950XL I bought from the MS Store had constant resetting and overheating issues. Just browsing webpages would make it overheat and shut down. I returned it and since MS was out of stock, I ordered from B&H Photo Video with no indication Microsoft would not honor its 1 year warranty.

    I was marginally satisfied with the phone and could overlook the bugs. At leas it wasn't shutting down every day. The OS did improve over time which was good. I was very disappointed with the terrible battery life. Burning through 20% of battery in 30 minutes of web browsing is just unacceptable. In July, the phone suddenly started resetting and just going black requiring a hard reset 10+ times a day. That is when I discovered MS would not fix their 8 month old product. B&H does guarantee all devices for 1 year but I'm currently in week 2 of a 4-6 week 8, back on my Lumia 920. I did use insider to update to Threshold 1 and honestly, other than being slow, its as good as an experience I had with the 950 XL. Battery is not as bad, I realized how much better of a phone it felt and more premium it felt. And the camera performs probably better. 950 XL has blurry photos unless the subject is sitting still.

    So honestly, I'm not looking forward to getting my 950 XL back. I can't keep the 920 either. Unless I get a new 950 XL back that magically has better battery life, no resets, and performs well, my days of trusting MS for Mobile might be over.
    09-02-2016 09:57 AM
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