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  1. RavenSword's Avatar
    On a side note, man I really like the home screen and interface. Feels fun to use and alive.
    04-01-2014 01:27 AM
  2. cknorthpole's Avatar
    I say like this. Buy a relatively cheap Nokia Lumia and try it out for a few months. If you like it then invest in a "proper" WP.

    Personally I used android before WP came out. But when WP was announced I ordered my self a HTC trophy and I've been using WP ever since. Although during this WP time I've bought a nexus 4 (had it for a month before I sold it and got back to WP) iPhone 5 (same thing but I think it wa for two weeks or so) and a nexus 5 which I only had for two weeks as well.
    So from now on I'm done with trying android or IOS, I'm gonna stick with WP since I know that I will return to it anw after just a few weeks.

    One thing to mention is that I've been using google services like docs, drive, mail services (like my "go to" services) etc but I'm still enjoying WP a lot more then ios or android. And now I have switched to outlook and and I have even bought more space on onedrive. I'm also enjoying MS cloud storage, email and office services more then then I used to like googles.

    So in other words, if I where you I wouldn't hesitate to try out a WP device. I think you would like it, like most ppl that actually tries it does.
    04-01-2014 04:47 AM
  3. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    Too bad, Microsoft used to have a web page that simulate Windows Phone 8 (and teach you how to use in the process), I tried it when I was about to get my L520 (my first Windows Phone)
    04-01-2014 06:13 AM
  4. ShreyansShah's Avatar
    so since I can't really judge performance or hardware since this is a low end phone, should I just use it to get a feel for the OS and apps?

    and am I still going to easily be able to continue using my iPad and other non windows devices? Or is it going to get to s point where I'll replace the iPad with a surface or something?
    it's never have to u know. it will be u want to replace.
    i know we r quite behind iOS in many things n apps, but be sure, its gonna be alright.
    always remember, iOS was also very small in the beginning, before growing.
    even an olympic champion was a baby crawling once. time change and it changes everything.

    another thing is u cannot compare 5S with Lumia 520, it's like comparing someone's chapter 20 with other's chapter 2.
    when i bought my first lumia 800, i compared (hardware) Lumia 800 and iPhone 4. almost similar hardware and price was half.
    i tried lumia, and now, i am using a second Lumia, and surely in a time, i will be upgrading, it will be Lumia only. it's innovation that we have to trust.
    even apple accepted some facts about WP were good, basically the simplicity and fluid the OS is. they officially declared that and build iOS 7 with those basics.

    there will be issues on migrating from iOS to WP, but nothing that u can't handle. u may be missing something, but some gains also.
    go on, try it.
    04-01-2014 08:45 AM
  5. bionicgt's Avatar
    That was my same fear before I got Lumia 625 but Im now happy and like they said it's a non issue as most apps that I NEED are there unless you want something that you can't really live without and there's not alternatives then think about it BUT I don't see the big problem...GO FOR WP
    04-01-2014 10:43 AM
  6. bionicgt's Avatar
    PS: For local news and banking apps, well it happened to me too, my bank has Android app BUT I can still access an incredible mobile version on the browser, absolutely no problem there, same functions and the "app" doesn't crash cause with my old Xperia at least, the app wouldn't run as fast as the browser version does, same for local news, you can check many things, but anyways :) ...
    04-01-2014 10:48 AM
  7. Reebs Reebs's Avatar
    I'm gonna pick up a 520 and give that a go. :)
    Just remember you're buying a $50 phone... Your experience will be much better if you pick a phone with better specs. I did the move to WP same way as you. From HTC Sensation to 521. The 521 was ways better than the HTC sensation at the time... Now I upgraded to 925 and it's a great step up. You will certainly get what you pay for. If you have $200 to invest and you're on T-Mobile, pass the 521 to the 925 directly... That of course, is if you can afford it.
    04-01-2014 10:58 AM
  8. MARKjotep's Avatar
    I used symbian > BB > ios > android then lastly WP!!! i never looked back! WP is way simpler and better.. one thing im missing (wich is not a big deal since I can use my laptop) Torrent/File Download and File Manager(e.g. x-plore)!!!

    I dont know! I guess the only phone That Id replace my 920 would be 930!!! and A PHONE IS NOT A PHONE WITHOUT GLANCE!! HAHAHAHA.


    one thing I advice my friends who are curious about WP. "Try It" ;)
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    04-01-2014 10:58 AM
  9. rain620's Avatar
    I used symbian > BB > ios > android then lastly WP!!! i never looked back! WP is way simpler and better.. one thing im missing (wich is not a big deal since I can use my laptop) Torrent/File Download and File Manager(e.g. x-plore)!!!

    I dont know! I guess the only phone That Id replace my 920 would be 930!!! and A PHONE IS NOT A PHONE WITHOUT GLANCE!! HAHAHAHA.


    one thing I advice my friends who are curious about WP. "Try It" ;)
    You can download torrents, not in background tho, search for wpTorrent in the store.
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    04-01-2014 11:12 AM
  10. MARKjotep's Avatar
    You can download torrents, not in background tho, search for wpTorrent in the store.

    thanks Ill check that later!!
    ;)
    04-01-2014 11:56 AM
  11. RavenSword's Avatar
    So, what's probably the best windows phone on at&t right now? The 1520? Seems super huge
    04-01-2014 01:02 PM
  12. RavenSword's Avatar
    Is there a issue with speacilty apps? Like, I've never used uber (the car transport service) but I notice there isn't a uber app.

    maybe I'm thinking too much of what I might use one day, instead of what I use now?
    04-01-2014 01:05 PM
  13. Old_Cus's Avatar
    So, what's probably the best windows phone on at&t right now? The 1520? Seems super huge
    Wait. At the very least three phones are coming out (630,930 and one from Samsung). AT&T is also relaunching the 1520. I suggest you wait and see what's coming before making a decision.
    04-01-2014 01:09 PM
  14. RavenSword's Avatar
    Wait. At the very least three phones are coming out (630,930 and one from Samsung). AT&T is also relaunching the 1520. I suggest you wait and see what's coming before making a decision.
    I'm not making a decision right now, was just curious what the best options were.
    04-01-2014 01:15 PM
  15. RavenSword's Avatar
    Is there also this weird problem where secs just aren't updating their windows phone apps? For example, I use slacker radio lately and the windows phone app doesn't seem to have received any of the updated slacker has done for the past year or so.
    04-01-2014 02:01 PM
  16. EauRouge's Avatar
    He brings up a valid point. OP, if being cool is important to you, don't get a WP device. WP isnt cool. And thats largely whats been hurting them the most. Look what happened to BlackBerry once it stopped being cool, and it was once THE coolest device to own!
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    04-01-2014 02:06 PM
  17. paulxxwall's Avatar
    I sometimes feel the same way. My WP runs good but am missing out on alot of official apps in which there no third party and no mobile site . And even then using mobile site aren't as efficient as using an app but I'm in the us....and WP here is " just better than black berry" which isn't saying much! I only wonder when these developer will decide to develop for WP? If they need more than 10-15% market share ......omg we won't be seeing theses apps for years. I do hate bouncing around os. And with these updates will kinda get wp closer to ios and android features but were still missing important apps and and apps we do have are not all up to par as ios and android version! I guess we wait it out till either we or Ms gives up on WP which I'm hoping they don't but you never know!
    04-01-2014 02:13 PM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Is there also this weird problem where secs just aren't updating their windows phone apps? For example, I use slacker radio lately and the windows phone app doesn't seem to have received any of the updated slacker has done for the past year or so.
    I believe many developers are waiting for WP8.1 before they update their apps.
    04-01-2014 02:14 PM
  19. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    so since I can't really judge performance or hardware since this is a low end phone, should I just use it to get a feel for the OS and apps?
    Windows Phone performs pretty well even on the 520, but just keep in mind that it's not in the same class as the mid to high end Lumias. I was using a Lumia 800 previously and while I like the 520, I do miss some things. For example, no LTE data speeds, weak camera with no "flash", and the screen is very reflective and mediocre compared to the amazing screen that my Lumia 800 had. So yes, I would focus on the OS and apps.

    am I still going to easily be able to continue using my iPad and other non windows devices? Or is it going to get to s point where I'll replace the iPad with a surface or something?
    The services you choose to use will play a big part in how well you can tie your devices together. You may someday decide that you WANT to replace your iPad with a Surface or other Windows device so that you get a more seamless and capable experience, but it isn't required. MS has been very good in recent years about making their services and software cross platform. Actually, it's Apple that attempts to lock their customers into their ecosystem with everything from proprietary charge cables and music/video formats to devices and standards that only work with their devices. Google in general is pretty open, but there have been several cases recently where Google has disabled/broken their services for competing platforms (Windows Phone has been the target more than once).

    Some examples...

    MS Skype vs. FaceTime/iMessage.
    MS Xbox Smartglass or Windows 8.1 Miracast support vs. Apple TV or Google ChromeCast.
    MS OneDrive vs. iCloud or Google Drive.
    MS Office vs. iWork or Google Docs.

    There are plenty more. Each of those MS services/products is either an open standard or available on nearly all competing platforms. On the other hand, the non-MS products have little or no availability on competing platforms.

    So, what's probably the best windows phone on at&t right now? The 1520? Seems super huge
    The 1520 is the newest flagship level phone and it is a very nice phone if you are into phablets. I'm not, so it's not really my thing. The Lumia 1020 and 925 are the "best normal size" phones on AT&T in my opinion. The Lumia 930 (rumored to be the same as the Verizon Lumia Icon) is supposed to be coming out very soon.

    Is there a issue with speacilty apps? Like, I've never used uber (the car transport service) but I notice there isn't a uber app.

    maybe I'm thinking too much of what I might use one day, instead of what I use now?
    This is Windows Phone's weakest link. Most of the common apps are there, but some of the more specialized ones have not made it to Windows Phone yet. Personally, I'm not that big into apps and there is nothing left that I need that is missing from Windows Phone, but that isn't the case for everyone. Only you can decide what you need in a smart phone. Here are some things to consider though...

    • In the beginning of the modern smartphone era, many apps were created on iPhone simply as a feature limited substitute for a full featured website because the iPhone browser experience was so poor and it couldn't render complex websites properly. Later, people just came to expect an app for everything and they seemed to have forgotten that this thing called the World Wide Web still exists. Windows Phone IE can render webpages as accurately as the desktop equivalent with the exception of websites that use Flash. In these cases, an app is not really needed on Windows Phone. Of course there are plenty of apps that do things that can't be done in a web app, but it's something to consider. For example, I have a somewhat regular need to check the marine weather forecast or tide info. I know some friends that "have an app for that" and Windows Phone has some too, but I don't bother with them because the webpage is bookmarked in my IE favorites and it does exactly what I need more quickly than an app.
    • Need vs. want. I'm not suggesting you limit the usefulness of your smart phone experience, but I do see a lot of people installing apps that are just silly time wasters and some of those people look down on Windows Phone because those same useless apps aren't available. I have seen people get talked out of trying Windows Phone the moment they find out one app isn't available even though they have no actual need for that particular app. For example, several months ago, before Instagram was available on Windows Phone, a lady I know got talked out of buying a Windows Phone because the sales guy told her Windows Phone doesn't have Instagram. She is 60+ years old, doesn't even know what Instagram is (still doesn't to this day), and she really wanted a Windows Phone when she entered the store. Anyway, my advice is to look at the big picture and don't base your entire decision on one app unless you REALLY NEED that app.
    snowmutt, raycpl, Old_Cus and 2 others like this.
    04-01-2014 03:35 PM
  20. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I just have a lot of confusion and anxiety about using windows phone.

    My anxiety with windows phone comes from a few different things, most if which might be petty or wrong.

    The fact that windows phone isn't very popular, has the least amount of market share , and is honestly the raw end of many jokes makes me nervous of investing my time, money, and energy with them. Because what if they just close shop one day in windows phone development? What if the apps never gets updated and supported? What if devs just up and leave the platform. The thing is, it seems like all these things might be happening!

    It's a perception thing too. Perhaps my opinion has been clouded by others, but it's not like Microsoft is a "cool" company. It's a company has a lot if stigma.

    It just makes me think if I got a windows phone I'd be making a mistake.

    But I'm excited about what microsofts doing lately, more so then ice ever been before I think. I really like there new direction and want a device to enjoy that new direction and what it brings. And I like the UI of WP a ton and how it ties with Microsoft services.

    I don't know, does anyone get where coming from and can offer feedback or advice?

    (Note: I should mention I currently am using a 5S. )
    The WP platform is still fairly young yet is growing very well considering it is invading territory that has already been claimed. iOS (and for the most part, Android) had an empty expanse of land to claim and grow. Still, I understand your concern about MS’s dedication to continue to grow the platform. It still has to make a name for itself and is swimming against the tide. You fear one day MS leadership will just say “Let’s drop WP let’s concentrate on core business and cut our losses.” I don’t think MS can afford to ignore the smartphone market.


    The other issue, while I understand, is something that you’ll get over in time. Peer pressure and perception is really ridiculous when you think about it. What makes MS a cool company or not? Stripped from its PR and cute fuzzy commercials, all these companies are driven by the same thing: MONEY. They are all capitalist corporate entities driven by profits and shareholders and share the same core business ethics.

    What makes Android or Apple cooler than MS?

    This perception of MS being cool is one reason why developers have shunned WP. It’s pretty pathetic. It’s pretty much with most of MS’s products. IE still gets tons of unwarranted bad rap and is the **** of countless meme’s, yet IE 10 and 11 are absolute winsauce. Reputation and perception of WP is greatly unwarranted by the media, salesdopes and uneducated fanboys. And if somebody judges you by the type of PHONE you use, then at least you know how self-absorbed and ignorant they are. It’s a PHONE, who gives a s**t.

    You say you may be making a mistake if you went with WP, but I say you’d be making a mistake if you didn’t. You can always go back if it doesn’t meet your needs.
    04-01-2014 03:39 PM
  21. mikebodo's Avatar
    One of the things I do like about iOS is that they seem to get a lot of really well polished apps for a lot if different things .And I'm nervous WP won't have that.

    I still will keep my iPad because I want access to those apps and I think it's still probably the best tablet , but I don't think iphone is best for me anymore. I did have android before , a nexus 4, and I liked it. But I just don't really want to deal with all that micromanagement to get it to do what I want . It's why I liked iOS and why I'm looking at windows phone now .
    I went from a Lumia 900 to 1020 and have been happy with both Windows Phones. I convinced my wife 7 months ago to ditch her Android phone, which was giving her all kinds of problems after nearly two years of use, for a Lumia 928 and it's been by far the best smartphone experience she's had. She thanks me to this day for recommending it, as she loves it's simplicity, looks, the fact that she can arrange the tiles on her home screen any size and position she wants and the fact that it's a rock-solid device that she hardly ever has to reboot. I can vouch for the same.
    04-01-2014 04:42 PM
  22. evilrob's Avatar
    I recently ditched my iPhone 5 for a Windows Phone (Nokia Lumia 920) - turned out to be the best phone I've ever had. I like the fact they're different and people comment on it all the time - if you like people coming up and asking, "hey - what's that phone you're using; looks badass" - I reckon you can't get much cooler than that.

    I liked it so much I went and bought a first-gen Microsoft Surface Pro to complement it. I'll be getting an Xbox One to complete the set when Microsoft sort out the TV functionality in the UK and there are some games for it.
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    04-01-2014 04:52 PM
  23. RavenSword's Avatar
    Windows Phone performs pretty well even on the 520, but just keep in mind that it's not in the same class as the mid to high end Lumias. I was using a Lumia 800 previously and while I like the 520, I do miss some things. For example, no LTE data speeds, weak camera with no "flash", and the screen is very reflective and mediocre compared to the amazing screen that my Lumia 800 had. So yes, I would focus on the OS and apps.



    The services you choose to use will play a big part in how well you can tie your devices together. You may someday decide that you WANT to replace your iPad with a Surface or other Windows device so that you get a more seamless and capable experience, but it isn't required. MS has been very good in recent years about making their services and software cross platform. Actually, it's Apple that attempts to lock their customers into their ecosystem with everything from proprietary charge cables and music/video formats to devices and standards that only work with their devices. Google in general is pretty open, but there have been several cases recently where Google has disabled/broken their services for competing platforms (Windows Phone has been the target more than once).

    Some examples...

    MS Skype vs. FaceTime/iMessage.
    MS Xbox Smartglass or Windows 8.1 Miracast support vs. Apple TV or Google ChromeCast.
    MS OneDrive vs. iCloud or Google Drive.
    MS Office vs. iWork or Google Docs.

    There are plenty more. Each of those MS services/products is either an open standard or available on nearly all competing platforms. On the other hand, the non-MS products have little or no availability on competing platforms.



    The 1520 is the newest flagship level phone and it is a very nice phone if you are into phablets. I'm not, so it's not really my thing. The Lumia 1020 and 925 are the "best normal size" phones on AT&T in my opinion. The Lumia 930 (rumored to be the same as the Verizon Lumia Icon) is supposed to be coming out very soon.



    This is Windows Phone's weakest link. Most of the common apps are there, but some of the more specialized ones have not made it to Windows Phone yet. Personally, I'm not that big into apps and there is nothing left that I need that is missing from Windows Phone, but that isn't the case for everyone. Only you can decide what you need in a smart phone. Here are some things to consider though...

    • In the beginning of the modern smartphone era, many apps were created on iPhone simply as a feature limited substitute for a full featured website because the iPhone browser experience was so poor and it couldn't render complex websites properly. Later, people just came to expect an app for everything and they seemed to have forgotten that this thing called the World Wide Web still exists. Windows Phone IE can render webpages as accurately as the desktop equivalent with the exception of websites that use Flash. In these cases, an app is not really needed on Windows Phone. Of course there are plenty of apps that do things that can't be done in a web app, but it's something to consider. For example, I have a somewhat regular need to check the marine weather forecast or tide info. I know some friends that "have an app for that" and Windows Phone has some too, but I don't bother with them because the webpage is bookmarked in my IE favorites and it does exactly what I need more quickly than an app.
    • Need vs. want. I'm not suggesting you limit the usefulness of your smart phone experience, but I do see a lot of people installing apps that are just silly time wasters and some of those people look down on Windows Phone because those same useless apps aren't available. I have seen people get talked out of trying Windows Phone the moment they find out one app isn't available even though they have no actual need for that particular app. For example, several months ago, before Instagram was available on Windows Phone, a lady I know got talked out of buying a Windows Phone because the sales guy told her Windows Phone doesn't have Instagram. She is 60+ years old, doesn't even know what Instagram is (still doesn't to this day), and she really wanted a Windows Phone when she entered the store. Anyway, my advice is to look at the big picture and don't base your entire decision on one app unless you REALLY NEED that app.
    We'll, the thing is I don't want to feel forced to buy other Microsoft products if I don't feel like they're as good or better than the competition. By this I mean that I don't want to feel I have to choose a surface if I find the iPad still to be better, I have to choose a xbox one as my main console if I think the ps4 is better, and that I need to buy a PC instead of a Mac if I don't think pcs are better. I don't want to feel that I can't have choice other than Microsoft devices because things don't mesh well.

    I'm not saying I don't want to try surface, but from what I hear it's still not as good as the iPad. I fully plan on getting a xbox one some day, but I honestly thinknps4 is a better games machine right now. Plus, ps4 has better graphics thus far than the one. And even though I do already own a PC, I might find Mac better. Who knows.

    I want my liking of products to be because I legitimately like them, not because I feel I have to get them over others.
    04-01-2014 07:26 PM
  24. snowmutt's Avatar
    We'll, the thing is I don't want to feel forced to buy other Microsoft products if I don't feel like they're as good or better than the competition. By this I mean that I don't want to feel I have to choose a surface if I find the iPad still to be better, I have to choose a xbox one as my main console if I think the ps4 is better, and that I need to buy a PC instead of a Mac if I don't think pcs are better. I don't want to feel that I can't have choice other than Microsoft devices because things don't mesh well.

    I'm not saying I don't want to try surface, but from what I hear it's still not as good as the iPad. I fully plan on getting a xbox one some day, but I honestly thinknps4 is a better games machine right now. Plus, ps4 has better graphics thus far than the one. And even though I do already own a PC, I might find Mac better. Who knows.

    I want my liking of products to be because I legitimately like them, not because I feel I have to get them over others.
    First off, glad you came here to WPC for this advice. Kinda cool we get to brag on our devices and give advice. We appreciate that!!

    But, seriously, I see NO WAY you will end up with something you do not like, or that you will be forced into an ecosystem you do not want. Why do I say that? I read your posts. You are making a serious decision and taking it seriously. You are asking all the questions on your mind, getting advice, trying out devices, the whole bit.

    Take the L520, and judge the WP basic UI and operation. If you like it on the lower end device, you will love it on the higher end ones. As far as the ecosystem goes, MS will NEVER be Apple. Of course they want you to buy a Surface, use a WP, sign up on Outlook, and use their services. But, there is more and more cross-platform services coming from MS every year, and if you want to keep your iPad you will be able to. You will need to adjust how you do things, but you will just having a WP anyways.

    My only 2 pieces of advice:

    1) Keep doing what you are doing. Outside of setting up an Outlook account to back up your contacts, see how everything balances out. If you decide to stick with WP, you will find the balance of how you want to do things over time.

    2) Relax. You got this. I stinking wish everyone was as thorough as you in making purchases.
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    04-01-2014 09:59 PM
  25. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    It's curious that you're worried about choosing Windows Phone because of stigma. If anything, Android and iOS are getting targeted far, far more by critics and haters, while Windows Phone is just out on the sidelines doing it's thing.
    04-02-2014 06:00 AM
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