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  1. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    Outsmart maybe. But Apple have outmarketed MS.
    The gold Watch isn't to be taken seriously - it's a halo product designed solely to lift user perception of the whole product line. They're not planning on actually selling many.
    But where Apple have really outmarketed MS is inventory. In a few days I'll be able to walk into many stores and buy a Watch. Can't say that for Band.
    While it may have been designed to lift perception, I think it has done the exact opposite. Instead of people focusing on the $350 price tag (which really isn't that bad of a price), all of the focus has been on the $10K watch and how that is ridiculous. The Apple Watch has already become a symbol of "people buying overpriced crap they don't really need".

    They have marketed this item to the 1%
    03-18-2015 07:50 AM
  2. Grimlock's Avatar
    I'm not an Apple fan, but can we please revive this thread a few weeks after the Apple Watch launches? There is no chance that microsoft outsells the Apple Watch, not even close.

    The Apple Watch got a ton of press and they will be pushing hard with a full ad campaign.

    Consumers don't know the microsoft band even exists! That's a huge problem!
    03-18-2015 11:04 AM
  3. Jaredallister's Avatar
    Dude Idk where you got the idea that the watch isn't overpriced? But id rather pay $200 for a Band any day over the iWatch. The band has a two day battery life, works with almost every product on the market. Syncs well, has Bluetooth, Heart rate monitor, GPS, and Color display. But seriously the iWatch doesn't have any of that. Its not even really a fitness watch. You have to sync it to an iPhone for it to even do half the stuff it says. So yeah!
    Apparently you haven't been paying attention b the the Apple Watch has just about everything you mentioned. Also the band is a fitness tracker, the watch is a WATCH! To different things, and the Apple Watch can do more than the band. The Apple watch has a heart rate monitor. Doesn't have a GPS, uses the one in the phone, has a color multi-touch display and connects through Bluetooth, it also has wifi, Nfc, and a gysoscope. But it also has third party apps, can view and replay to emails and texts and more. The Apple Watch can be used as a fitness trackers, and still do more than the band. Also you can sync to your iPhone using Bluetooth or wifi, so I don't have to carry my phone. Even if it's tied to the phone, IT STILL DOES MORE THAN THE BAND. Well worth the money.
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    03-18-2015 11:29 AM
  4. 920Walker's Avatar
    Wearing a watch who's screen will go blank daily due to a drained battery...priceless.
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    03-18-2015 11:47 AM
  5. Grimlock's Avatar
    Wearing a watch who's screen will go blank daily due to a drained battery...priceless.
    That's the same thing people said about the iPhone.

    I'm not running to get any smartwatch, I'm not terribly impressed with any of them, but the one thing I'll say for the Apple Watch is they will have an app store. I'm sure devs will come up with creative apps and this will help drive interest and keep the apple enthusiast crowd happy. Even if sales aren't through the roof like the iPad it seems integrated well enough into their ecosystem to maintain a solid user base.
    03-18-2015 12:19 PM
  6. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Wearing a watch who's screen will go blank daily due to a drained battery...priceless.
    All it needs to do is make it through the day, which I'm sure it will. Seriously, the amount of hate the Apple watch is getting here is borderline ridiculous. Every time a competitor comes out with something you guys tear it apart, call it worthless, etc. If Apple announced tomorrow that their watch worked with Windows Phone, this place would totally explode with joy.
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    03-18-2015 12:21 PM
  7. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    Perhaps the Band vs Apple Watch discussion isn't fair right now...but what is is Pebble for Apple Watch. Pebble is cheaper, and the interest tripled after the Apple event.

    Probably a better option for those who just want a smart watch. Know it isn't a very good fitness tracker, but it connects to most of the standard fitness apps, just have to bring your phone along (which you have to do with the Apple Watch anyway)
    03-18-2015 12:21 PM
  8. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Microsoft for all it's Smarts in pushing the Band has still missed the boat and a trick. Yes the Band is a Good Fitness wearable, and no doubt it will rank above most of the Fitbit type devices. However as a Watch it will not crack the top 10.

    Right now Moto 360, LG G Watch (Newest), Pebble are among the must have items. Apple and this Taptic feedback will no doubt jump to number 1.

    As the $349 model will be a full on sell out for some time to come Yes it has some Health options....but that is not what will drive the Geek community. Look at it logically .....Fitness and Geek are a rare combo. New Tech and Geek is what drives the Apple Market. Most of the Apple base will use the Health apps to figure out they are having a heart attack or stroke.

    Microsoft has missed the boat on the Watch lover crowd.......what is the worst is they had the ability to get in front of this and have a leg up on Apple. Even if they did a Limited release much like the Band to say here is tech we wish to License to other makers and gauge Community response.

    Anything they do now will be the same old sad Microsoft story.......here is something good.....after the fact....much like the Zune.

    The part that boils my bunny the most......Microsoft had lots of community outcry for a watch, even after the band release...and still did nothing.

    However mark my words the Apple Watch will sell and for most Apple fans it will be the second coming, and it will rank as the #1 Watch Wearable.

    Most reviews I have read when it is looked at as a Watch with the ability to interact with the phone, have been glowing and upbeat.

    Just to add....I am a Microsoft Baby, it's my full ecosystem. PC/Tablet/Phone.....The Apple Watch has my attention, and now has me thinking of a switch. Something I would never have thought of before. As I have been an Apple hater from the first iPhone ( The iPhone before the touch screen one....their music phone)
    Last edited by Greywolf1967; 03-18-2015 at 04:12 PM.
    03-18-2015 03:55 PM
  9. todd7900's Avatar
    Not sure why you are here, except to troll, if you really are ready to drop at least $350 bucks on an Apple Watch you are already totally invested in the Apple ecosphere.
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    03-18-2015 06:21 PM
  10. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Not sure why you are here, except to troll, if you really are ready to drop at least $350 bucks on an Apple Watch you are already totally invested in the Apple ecosphere.
    Not here to troll at all. I just gave my opinion. I also have no trouble dropping cash for what I want, as I dropped the $750 for my Nokia Lumia 1020.

    My wish would be to drop $350 for a Microsoft Smart Watch, but that just does not seem to be in the cards.

    Again like I said Microsoft did a good thing with the Band, as it will end up being among the top of the Fitness wearable's. Heck they are now pushing more devices in the US and going to add the UK.....the more the better, Feed the Need.

    They could also be punching above their limit had they followed the Band with a Watch. They had the time to get well ahead of Apple on this and take a run at Pebble, Moto and LG. But as I said iPod >Zune. It being a device that could'a, should'a, would'a, but they were late to the party.

    What makes things worse for me is I would rather stay pure Windows, but I can't if the options are not available. I am left looking at an Apple device that I want.....but I would have to get an iPhone also *shivers* something I am not sure I can do.

    I would be in like stink on a skunk if Microsoft had a Watch matched to a 1520, 1320, or a 640XL (what ever worked best with Wind).
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    03-18-2015 10:31 PM
  11. humlason's Avatar
    With so much doom and gloom making the boards these days, thought I'd share this one:

    Maybe the Band could be the thing that makes Microsoft look cool again to the masses. Just search "Microsoft Band" right now on bing and you'll see tons of articles praising Microsoft on the price, performance and battery life. (Two points from CNet though, who just had to reiterate their negative findings in November and incorrectly list the price at $300.)

    I think the $10K gold Apple Watch will go down as one of the biggest marketing blunders of all time. While it was meant for an exclusive set of customers, it soured the opinion on the entire product line. Had Apple released the $349 first and later said, oh BTW we have an obnoxious $10K version too, the negative feedback wouldn't have been as bad.

    I'm a tech fan first, and a Microsoft fan second, so I want all ventures to succeed. However, it is nice to see Apple screw the pooch for once.
    It looks awesome, I think I'll get one too :)
    03-19-2015 07:46 AM
  12. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    While I agree the Apple Watch will get a lot of sales from the tech geek crowd, I think the real tech geeks will be waiting for the Pebble Time. Not to sound like a d-bag, but the Apple Watch seems like it would be too high-fashion, mainstream for the real tech geeks.

    I know the Apple Watch is going to ship with app support, but which one really gets the tech geeks excited...the Pebble Time with the usual ability to hack together some customizations and what not, or the Apple Watch, where you have to deal with Apples usual standards and the only real customization is a $1K watch band.
    03-19-2015 08:38 AM
  13. Jaredallister's Avatar
    While I agree the Apple Watch will get a lot of sales from the tech geek crowd, I think the real tech geeks will be waiting for the Pebble Time. Not to sound like a d-bag, but the Apple Watch seems like it would be too high-fashion, mainstream for the real tech geeks.

    I know the Apple Watch is going to ship with app support, but which one really gets the tech geeks excited...the Pebble Time with the usual ability to hack together some customizations and what not, or the Apple Watch, where you have to deal with Apples usual standards and the only real customization is a $1K watch band.
    The geeks are the minority in the industry. And the Apple Watch is all about customization.
    03-19-2015 08:55 AM
  14. Spectrum90's Avatar
    The geeks are the minority in the industry. And the Apple Watch is all about customization.
    Apple watch is all about stupidity, the worst Apple's product ever. Only sheep are going to buy that ugly thing.
    03-19-2015 09:13 AM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    Apple watch is all about stupidity, the worst Apple's product ever. Only sheep are going to buy that ugly thing.
    Doesn't matter. If I had people lined up to buy the rocks I collect from my field, I'd sell every one I could.
    03-19-2015 09:34 AM
  16. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    I believe Hololens might be that cool Microsoft product.

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    While HoloLens is conceptually cool, the lack of availability information makes me wonder how it'll get beyond the level of being a niche product, as Google Glass struggled with. I expect the price to turn a lot of people off to what is essentially a neat toy, and we don't know what kind of external software support it will get.

    Microsoft's got something really good with the Band. The Apple Watch does so very little, and even while bumming its GPS (and some other) functionality off of the iPhone, it still comes with a battery life half that of the Band, in the best of cases. The sapphire display and the general size of the display seem to have been a real negative to battery life with the Apple Watch, and throw in their attempts to make it play games and do so many useless things, and they threw away the appeal to the masses of today (those looking for fitness trackers) for some lesser novelties whose uses aren't really apparent.

    That the Band does so much more than the Watch isn't enough on its own. However, Microsoft did two things right to make the Band a viable product for the future: they got it to market quickly, and they put it at a price that really leads the main competitors, when you compare features. Getting a Band-level experience with FitBit comes at a $50 premium, while the Apple Watch STARTS at a $150 premium for questionable usability. The best thing is that they beat Apple to market, and in doing so, left a lot of people without the "cool factor" of Apple to sway their opinions in the stores. Now, people know what the Band can do, and we're seeing how much of that the Apple Watch CAN'T do. Timing's often been a huge issue with Microsoft (too late with Windows Phone, too early with the Xbox One's DRM policies), so it's nice that they finally got it right.
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    03-19-2015 10:43 AM
  17. Spectrum90's Avatar
    Doesn't matter. If I had people lined up to buy the rocks I collect from my field, I'd sell every one I could.
    That initial demand will fade fast.
    03-19-2015 08:56 PM
  18. jmshub's Avatar
    I am glad that Microsoft made the band and not a watch. With the current geek culture, it seems much more likely to see someone wearing a fitbit or similar fitness tracker on their wrist than a watch, smart or not.

    I do think the apple watch will sell well, because its apple. But I don't know what it does to smart watches as a product category, because it doesn't seem like the android watches are selling any better. I dont see any smart watches becoming too widespread until someone can figure out how to charge these things quicker or hold a charge longer.
    03-20-2015 09:09 AM
  19. Grimlock's Avatar
    A few observations as to why MS has lost again, although I should wait until the Apple Watch is actually released:

    - Tremendous press coverage compared to MS Band (featured covers in fashion and fitness magazines, Good Morning America, etc.)
    - 3rd Party companies already making accessories (band adapters, straps, expanded battery, etc)
    - Developers already committed to apps before launch (i.e. American Airlines, Delta, United)

    There is without question a lot of buzz surrounding the device. I know many people will say "Apple fans are stupid and they will buy anything" but that sort of mentality is total nonsense and very childish. If MS put the full weight of the company behind the MS Band like Apple has with their watch- I wouldn't be having to post this.

    Marketing is so incredibly important and MS has very serious problems with it. While they have had some campaigns with the Xbox that were good, this really should be something at the top of MS's priorities. The MS execs should be directly involved in fact. Steve Jobs himself was so involved in Ads, something I'm sure very few CEOs really care about.

    I will once again point out that I personally am not impressed with the device, my purpose here is draw attention to the fact that Microsoft needs to pay close attention and start taking notes. Do they model their approach after Apple? Of course not- that wouldn't work but some introspection will help pinpoint their shortcomings.

    I have been very critical of fanboyism at Windows Central as of late because I feel like it is extremely counterproductive and actually a disservice to Microsoft. If the community here was more honest with themselves and voiced their discontent with the way MS has been handling WP, Band, etc. they very well could take our complaints seriously. I really do feel as if the die hard MS fanbase actually stands up that we could influence Microsoft before its too late.
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    03-20-2015 10:24 AM
  20. todd7900's Avatar
    Except for being pretty and Apple Pay what does the Apple Watch do that the Band doesn't? The band has notifications, Cortana, time, as well as better fitness sensors.
    03-20-2015 08:32 PM
  21. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Except for being pretty and Apple Pay what does the Apple Watch do that the Band doesn't? The band has notifications, Cortana, time, as well as better fitness sensors.
    Maps + GPS + walking turn by turn, Taptic feed back, Watch Faces, Full interaction with the phone, any number of Apps in development. The ability to control a smart home ( Lights, Locks, Camera's). You should see the breakdown of it in the launch event for a better idea of what it can or can not do, just the drawing in messaging alone is a weird trick that could catch on.

    Where I work I have had 2 people who I would say are less then Tech Geeks ask me what I know about the "iWatch" they saw talked about, and they wanted to know if it would work with their Samsung phones.

    I agree The Band is by far the better at Fitness/Health uses...but it is not a Watch, even if it has some limited time keeping ability.

    In truth the two should not be set against each other as they are different devices.
    03-20-2015 09:21 PM
  22. Grimlock's Avatar
    I really think the apps will set the Apple Watch apart from everyone else. The developer community has a lot of potential to get creative with the watch- not saying it's guaranteed but there is at least excitement and buzz around it (more than MS has generated with universal apps).
    03-20-2015 10:30 PM
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