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  1. BajanSaint69's Avatar
    I was just wondering if any of the "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" crowd would like to comment on the news today that Microsoft has passed Alphabet in market cap.

    Anyone.....??????
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    05-30-2018 06:27 AM
  2. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I'm not among the worst CEO crowd. But the positions of who has been worth more has flipped a few times over the years: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/29/micr...arket-cap.html
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    05-30-2018 09:33 AM
  3. techiez's Avatar
    I was just wondering if any of the "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" crowd would like to comment on the news today that Microsoft has passed Alphabet in market cap.

    Anyone.....??????
    Well good for them, but the growth has been singularly based on Cloud, can they keep up this without any consumer/mobile play/killing of promising product lines,, is the question.
    kaktus1389, neo158 and davebwi like this.
    05-31-2018 12:49 PM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    I'm not among the worst CEO crowd. But the positions of who has been worth more has flipped a few times over the years: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/29/micr...arket-cap.html
    Aaaaaand Microsoft is #4 again. Google is ahead by $6 billion. (at the moment anyway...)

    I had mentioned in another thread that Microsoft and Google have switched multiple times in the last few months. I’m not sure why the media jumped all over this one.
    Laura Knotek, techiez and a5cent like this.
    05-31-2018 02:23 PM
  5. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Aaaaaand Microsoft is #4 again. Google is ahead by $6 billion. (at the moment anyway...)

    I had mentioned in another thread that Microsoft and Google have switched multiple times in the last few months. I’m not sure why the media jumped all over this one.
    I'm inclined to agree on why the media is reporting this now. What made this time so special?

    It's not surprising that there is flipping of places often. It depends on who is announcing what and if the market reacts to it or not.
    Laura Knotek, nate0 and tgp like this.
    05-31-2018 02:30 PM
  6. kaktus1389's Avatar
    The "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" think he is the worst CEO because they believe he doesn't care about the consumers at all. True, MS shares are doing really really well, and they are doing good with cloud business, however, cloud was doing good under Ballmer too so you don't really have to be a genius to make something that already works work. There's no Windows Phone or any other kind of Windows SKU for phones being developed, Band 3 hasn't seen the light of the day, Kinect is still dead and we could go on and on with consumer-based devices and/or software that are no longer around. MS employees say they feel better now that they're not under Ballmer, although I still find it ridiculous that they are pushing 2 updates per year with nearly no serious new features or half-baked implementations (fluent design was not added to all shell components at once).

    Just trying to make you understand how Nadella "haters" may think.
    05-31-2018 03:35 PM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    IDK it kind of makes sense. Google search isn't really growing, there's been some growth in other search engines. But nothing else google does is really monetized. I think not only have they reached saturation with google search, but I think there's been some real growth in other players, noteably bing over the last decade or so (and some smaller ones like duckduckgo).

    And of course the smartphone market is also slowing down. Should apple ever release as I suspect they will, their own search engine, that would amount to automatic profit losses to google.

    MSFT has had some growth in a number of areas. It's gaming software continues to do well, xbox has had some growth, office has had some growth and of course server and cloud services are going very well and it's device segment continues to do well. There's been a downtick in profits from windows OS, as clearly there are some win7 holdouts, but overall everything is looking ship-shape and there's room for new profit avenues to come in (HoloLens and other projects).

    Basically, MSFT seems more likely to continue to increase its profits, google looks a bit stagnant, possibly even vulnerable. And stocks are all about speculation.
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    06-04-2018 12:41 PM
  8. Drael646464's Avatar
    The "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" think he is the worst CEO because they believe he doesn't care about the consumers at all. True, MS shares are doing really really well, and they are doing good with cloud business, however, cloud was doing good under Ballmer too so you don't really have to be a genius to make something that already works work. There's no Windows Phone or any other kind of Windows SKU for phones being developed, Band 3 hasn't seen the light of the day, Kinect is still dead and we could go on and on with consumer-based devices and/or software that are no longer around. MS employees say they feel better now that they're not under Ballmer, although I still find it ridiculous that they are pushing 2 updates per year with nearly no serious new features or half-baked implementations (fluent design was not added to all shell components at once).

    Just trying to make you understand how Nadella "haters" may think.
    I'm actually quite fond of small incremental changes. I think consumers are slow to adapt. They often protest when too much changes at once.
    06-04-2018 12:43 PM
  9. T Moore's Avatar
    MSFT, went over 100 Friday, highest ever.
    06-04-2018 09:01 PM
  10. kaktus1389's Avatar
    I'm actually quite fond of small incremental changes. I think consumers are slow to adapt. They often protest when too much changes at once.
    I can say I do not exactly have the best opinion on Nadella, but I did not complain when I got my old PC with Windows 8.1 and everything was different. I was a bit lost because I could install apps from the store as well as from normal .exe files and didn't know exactly what was going on, but I welcomed the redesign of the os. It is true, however, that there are quite a few people that will not adapt to the change but I am adapting to underwhelming updates by not playing the "loyal customer" game anymore.
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    06-07-2018 01:09 PM
  11. DontBeEvil10's Avatar
    The "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" think he is the worst CEO because they believe he doesn't care about the consumers at all. True, MS shares are doing really really well, and they are doing good with cloud business, however, cloud was doing good under Ballmer too so you don't really have to be a genius to make something that already works work. There's no Windows Phone or any other kind of Windows SKU for phones being developed, Band 3 hasn't seen the light of the day, Kinect is still dead and we could go on and on with consumer-based devices and/or software that are no longer around. MS employees say they feel better now that they're not under Ballmer, although I still find it ridiculous that they are pushing 2 updates per year with nearly no serious new features or half-baked implementations (fluent design was not added to all shell components at once).

    Just trying to make you understand how Nadella "haters" may think.

    of course... he deserve to get fired ASAP
    senja1, neo158, jasongw and 1 others like this.
    06-12-2018 03:13 PM
  12. Yangstax's Avatar
    Cloud is the trend of computing industry whether Satya is in charge or not. Office365 and Xbox are doing well whether Satya is in charge or not. He certainly is not the worst CEO, but the MS Cloud business success has overshadowed his disastrous failure in the consumer space. He has killed the 'Mobile First' strategy as he has advocated. MS is led by Wall Street now.
    06-12-2018 03:58 PM
  13. neo158's Avatar
    Nadella gets more credit than he deserves as he has killed off every consumer facing product except Xbox, the problem with this is that those people in Enterprise are also consumers so what do you think cancelling consumer facing product lines says to them, doesn't really bolster confidence that they will keep Enterprise products around for very long.
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    06-12-2018 04:18 PM
  14. DRDiver's Avatar
    I've been quite clear often enough. I don't like the man. He angers me. I totally get that he's been a benefit to the stockholders. But, as a consumer, I don't really care. I don't own stock. I buy their products and services. Which are becoming fewer and less inviting. BECAUSE of Nadella. As a consumer, my perception of him is that he strives to do things that give us the finger. Over and over. He has killed, altered or otherwise deprecated a LOT of things I fell in love with. Zune/Groove, Windows phones, Windows 8 (Metro, integration, Hubs), Cortana, Xbox, Kinect. I could go on. What has remained has consistently been much LESS capable than what I grew to love and depend on. So, yes, I despise the man. And every employee to who believes in his vision.
    Kevin Rush, D-Va, senja1 and 4 others like this.
    06-12-2018 04:21 PM
  15. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Nadella should be fired for lack of vision. He has simply followed the wall street "corporate raider" technique of short term thinking and actions to successfully raise stock prices. The corporate raiders layoff as many people as possible, cut investments in future looking but not immediately profitable projects. They ignore and waste the intellectual wealth and acumen that is embedded in the projects they kill.

    In my opinion, my guess, computers will continue to
    "do more" and "get smaller" (mobile),
    - will increase in connectivity between more and more people (hopefully)
    - will continue to expand usage (data and phones),
    and yes, increase in connectivity to the cloud.
    I think all will be key. I believe this is the prime example of Nadella only looking at part of the whole. I think we need to make use of the wasted intellectual property and to "invest" in steps leading to the future.

    We need new leadership with future thinking, not a corporate raider. We don't need a phony smile and a "glad hander" who is full of himself.

    I think there are Microsoft supporters who will continue to support what they like and would stand up to be counted (by continuing to use the Mobile products) if only Microsoft had a Mobile future vision.

    Just my thoughts.
    Best Wishes
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 06-12-2018 at 08:47 PM. Reason: typos
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    06-12-2018 04:31 PM
  16. Lordtree's Avatar
    Shot term revenue and long term absence. Thank you Nadella for killing MS. Out of mobile: MS will be inconsequential.
    senja1, xsikal, neo158 and 2 others like this.
    06-12-2018 04:44 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    Shot term revenue
    How long do we call it “short term”?
    06-12-2018 05:02 PM
  18. davebwi's Avatar
    The "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" think he is the worst CEO because they believe he doesn't care about the consumers at all. True, MS shares are doing really really well, and they are doing good with cloud business, however, cloud was doing good under Ballmer too so you don't really have to be a genius to make something that already works work. There's no Windows Phone or any other kind of Windows SKU for phones being developed, Band 3 hasn't seen the light of the day, Kinect is still dead and we could go on and on with consumer-based devices and/or software that are no longer around. MS employees say they feel better now that they're not under Ballmer, although I still find it ridiculous that they are pushing 2 updates per year with nearly no serious new features or half-baked implementations (fluent design was not added to all shell components at once).

    Just trying to make you understand how Nadella "haters" may think.
    Nadella Quit everything difficult..Microsoft losing consumers, Will lose Business too.
    Last edited by davebwi; 06-12-2018 at 06:43 PM.
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    06-12-2018 06:33 PM
  19. davebwi's Avatar
    NADELLA QUIT on everything that was difficult. Long term, Microsoft Will Lose
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    06-12-2018 06:35 PM
  20. OnTheSurface's Avatar
    I think the ONLY reason Wall Street loves Nadella so much is because everyone HATED Windows 8 so much. And because of Windows 8 they hated Ballmer. But that is the only reason they hated Ballmer. In every other way he was a superior leader... Surface anyone?

    Heck, I love everything Windows and even I HATED Windows 8! But I think Windows 10 would have happened WITH OR WITHOUT Nadella. It had to happen. That was a hideous OS on PC! Great on the phone... but hideous on the PC!

    So as a competent leader... NO. NOT BEING BALLMER does not make you a good leader.

    A good leader would have stuck with at least the Lumia 950 while he worked tirelessly on the new Andromeda replacement device. Killing consumer is unforgiveable.

    I know he thinks he's God's personal gift to mankind. He speaks like he's some kind of visionary, poet laureate. Ushering in a brave new world. But he's really just a cheap imitation of an intellectual.

    But give us a Surface Phone, Nadella. Return some life to MS in Consumer. And all will be forgiven. As long as it's not 2020 by the time you finally ******** get around to it!!!!
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    06-12-2018 08:21 PM
  21. Pesu's Avatar
    I think a lot of the haters are burned Windows phone users who just can't let go. The windows phone is dead. Get over it. I think Satya is doing all right with the surface line up. I think he recognises that going head to head with Apple, Google and Amazon on the consumer market isn't smart at the moment. Microsoft is still a dinosaur and it needs to change. Change takes time and I think Satya is making the right changes at the right place. When you'll be playing GTA VIII on a small foldable tablet, you'll understand ;)
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    06-13-2018 02:44 AM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    Windows 10 happened under Nadella right? The whole idea of a hybrid OS? HoloLens? Surface studio? Xbox and games being brought into the centre of the business model? The idea of cortana as a pro-active input method, the focus on AI, IoT, the intelligent edge? Mixed reality?

    So much had gone forward in terms of "vision" under Nadella, it's just that a lot of it, hasn't reached maturity yet.

    So far as I can see, he's brought new vision to the company, and has a willingness to let go of ideas that aren't working in the marketplace. He's also forged much needed corporate alliances like those with steam, Samsung and Amazon.

    Being amazon is becoming something of an IoT player, MSFTs gambit in the cloud, and that partnership could very well bear consumer fruit in the future. Of course so will HoloLens, cortana's vision, and many other things (the hybrid OS for example). Xbox currently, and PC gaming is a massive consumer market, and that surge is in part connected to nadellas putting gaming in the spotlight.

    Balmer did some good stuff too, he started up the surface, and co-developed the graphene OLED screen with Samsung. That'll pay off later.

    Businesses aren't wish machines. They don't exist to serve you personally, they exist to make money, and balance risk and game for their own benefit. But on that charitable end, MSFT does tend to have a sense of ethics now, that harken back a little to the bill gates days. Some of their tech projects for people with disabilities for example.

    But you know MSFT isn't really 'at risk', they have multiple revenue streams and are doing well generally. Even if one business revenue stream completely died, they'd still be in business. And you can't say that so much about apple and the iPhone, or google and it's search - sure, they'd have spare cashflow to try and pivot, but it would be a pretty desperate gambit.

    Given they are in a perfectly good space, and will have some long term stability, I don't think the leadership will come under any serious question for quite some time.
    06-13-2018 05:53 AM
  23. Jcmg62's Avatar
    The "Nadella is the worst CEO ever" think he is the worst CEO because they believe he doesn't care about the consumers at all. True, MS shares are doing really really well, and they are doing good with cloud business, however, cloud was doing good under Ballmer too so you don't really have to be a genius to make something that already works work. There's no Windows Phone or any other kind of Windows SKU for phones being developed, Band 3 hasn't seen the light of the day, Kinect is still dead and we could go on and on with consumer-based devices and/or software that are no longer around. MS employees say they feel better now that they're not under Ballmer, although I still find it ridiculous that they are pushing 2 updates per year with nearly no serious new features or half-baked implementations (fluent design was not added to all shell components at once).

    Just trying to make you understand how Nadella "haters" may think.

    Tough one to call...

    If you're a Windows Phone, Band and Consumer Services (Groove) fan, as I was, then 2014 - 2017 were really tough years. On the face of it, the man dismantled amost everything we loved about MS.

    But, fast forward to today, and it's become quite evident why he done it.

    Windows Phone was dying. It was never going to improve. And it was a different version of Windows, which was going to cause a real problem with the "one windows/core OS" plan.

    The Band/Fitness project was plagued with hardware problems and huge replacement/returns. I had to send 4 of them back. Imagine that on a scale of millions.

    Groove. I loved Groove, but I guess Nadella took one look at the Spotify business plan and thought "we're going to be throwing $Billions at that before it even turns a cent in profit. And we're going to be competing with companies that we acctually want to partner with (Spotify, Pandora, etc). What's the point?"

    He knew those projects were dead ends, so he made the decision to terminate them. Actually, quite a brave move.

    He's refocussed his teams on creating new things for us to get excited about. We're starting to see things that Microsoft will lead in, rather than follow.

    Seriously, who isn't pumped about Andromeda?

    Who isn't excited about an affordable Hololens in 2019?

    Who isn't just dying to see what the Surface team will cook up next?

    And as for XBox, it's just flying as high as a kite. Sure, buying up development studios, creating a new in-house development studio and pushing hardware to the max is all well and good. But let's be clear, game streaming is goign to be huge. And MS are at the very bleeding edge of that.

    If anyone had asked me about Nadella 2 years ago, I would have said the man is a human wrecking ball and MS need to sack him before he plunges them into non-existance.

    Now, as far as I'm concerned, I love where he's taking things and hope he'll be at the helm for many more years to come. He's the best thing to happen to the company since windows 95.
    06-13-2018 06:23 AM
  24. rmark66's Avatar
    They are definitely doing some things right under Nadella. However, why kill Groove on Android and iOS? The work is mainly done. They can put ads in it or charge a couple dollars for it if they need income to justify support costs. But, they should leave the door open to devices like Andromeda. I still play my mp3s on Android with Groove and don't want to pay monthly for music. Groove was a great fit with OneDrive. I would also like to see Microsoft have a mapping app on Android/iOS because I liked the mapping program on W10M. I would like to keep using my saved locations on Android.
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    06-13-2018 06:40 AM
  25. reomw's Avatar
    In my mind currently Satya Nadella is one of worlds best CEOs ever. In Microsoft's own history thought it goes like this
    1. Gates, Nadella
    2. Ballmer
    06-13-2018 06:53 AM
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