1. snowwake8's Avatar
    I don't understand why an HDMI output wouldn't be on the Surface Pros. Any of them. In fact I'm shocked and confused as to why. That seems to be the only thing missing.
    07-08-2014 02:59 AM
  2. azcruz's Avatar
    People can argue all they want between HDMI vs. DisplayPort, but one thing is certain-

    HDMI = $10,000 per high-volume manufacturer plus $0.04 per device
    DisplayPort = Royalty-free

    Not that Microsoft or Apple can;t pay for it. But you can cascade DisplayPort for multiple display monitors. DisplayPort is best suited for computers, while HDMI for Home Theater.
    gernerttl and mister2d like this.
    07-08-2014 03:13 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    People can argue all they want between HDMI vs. DisplayPort, but one thing is certain-

    HDMI = $10,000 per high-volume manufacturer plus $0.04 per device
    DisplayPort = Royalty-free

    Not that Microsoft or Apple can;t pay for it. But you can cascade DisplayPort for multiple display monitors. DisplayPort is best suited for computers, while HDMI for Home Theater.
    You forgot to mention that all you need is an adapter and you have HDMI output.

    The other thing you miss is that lots of peripherals are HDMI these days.
    07-08-2014 03:15 AM
  4. azcruz's Avatar
    You forgot to mention that all you need is an adapter and you have HDMI output.

    The other thing you miss is that lots of peripherals are HDMI these days.
    True. I didn't mention that hoping it was not the OP's concern. :) I have one costs $6. He he




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    07-08-2014 03:20 AM
  5. azcruz's Avatar
    As I said, Home Theater. HDMI was around like 3 years earlier than DisplayPort and supported by more manufactures in the consumer space.

    Does it really matter for a computer? Unless I'm configuring HTPC then it would matter to me.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    07-08-2014 03:24 AM
  6. snowwake8's Avatar
    Yea. Adapters are easy to get. It would just be nice to have it on the device to connect to my TV.
    07-08-2014 03:24 AM
  7. strollin's Avatar
    I found this article which does a good job of explaining HDMI vs DisplayPort: hdmi-vs-displayport-which-display-interface-reigns-supreme

    Here's the summary from the article:
    Better desktop displays, desktop PCs, and all-in-one PCs will support DisplayPort in addition to HDMI. Laptops, however, have less real estate available for connectors. For the most part, consumer laptops will provide HDMI, while business-oriented models will support DisplayPort.

    If you plan to use a laptop with a stand-alone display, you won't regret paying a little more to get a model that offers DisplayPort: Its support for multiple displays and its ability to connect to nearly any other type of monitor with an inexpensive adapter give it greater flexibility than HDMI possesses.
    cdf3 and mister2d like this.
    07-08-2014 08:32 AM
  8. Dewg's Avatar
    I think the daisy chain feature of DP is the little known fact that makes it much more versatile.
    onlysublime likes this.
    07-08-2014 09:20 AM
  9. jhoff80's Avatar
    The licensing issue is a big one, but HDMI is also a larger connector (Surface 2 uses microHDMI which still needs an adapter to use to an HDMI in anyway) and more importantly, doesn't have the same bandwidth.

    The maximum resolution of HDMI 1.4 (which is what most devices still have) is 1920x1080 @ 60Hz or 4096x2160 @ only 30 Hz.
    DisplayPort 1.2 can do 4k at 60 Hz or it can be used for multiple monitors at lower resolutions (such as dual 1440p displays).

    HDMI 2.0 levels the playing field a bit, but support is still limited.
    07-08-2014 10:06 AM
  10. navierstokez's Avatar
    you can get mini display port to hdmi cables very cheaply now. places like monoprice.
    so you dont need an adapter.
    hdmi is there, just with a different connector.
    07-08-2014 12:59 PM
  11. mozman68's Avatar
    you can get mini display port to hdmi cables very cheaply now. places like monoprice.
    so you dont need an adapter.
    hdmi is there, just with a different connector.
    Isn't what you are describing an "adaptor?"

    Real world use... in business at least... you never know what you need to connect to. Possibly an old VGA projector one day or an HDMI one the next. My one "adaptor" will connect my SP3 to either.
    07-08-2014 01:17 PM
  12. cdf3's Avatar
    Isn't what you are describing an "adaptor?"

    Real world use... in business at least... you never know what you need to connect to. Possibly an old VGA projector one day or an HDMI one the next. My one "adaptor" will connect my SP3 to either.
    Could you provide a link to the type of you have? I have a mini Display to HDMI adapter. Thinking about getting one that can work with other peripherals.

    Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
    07-08-2014 03:40 PM
  13. mozman68's Avatar
    Could you provide a link to the type of you have? I have a mini Display to HDMI adapter. Thinking about getting one that can work with other peripherals.

    Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
    Has it all covered... showing up tomorrow!

    Amazon.com: Cable Matters Mini DisplayPort (Thunderbolt™ Port Compatible) to HDMI/DVI/VGA Male to Female 3-in-1 Adapter in Black: Computers & Accessories
    fonzman78 and cdf3 like this.
    07-08-2014 05:32 PM
  14. yonghong's Avatar
    Can this one support 4K?
    True. I didn't mention that hoping it was not the OP's concern. :) I have one costs $6. He he

    http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/y4yge2aq.jpg


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    07-08-2014 07:24 PM
  15. azcruz's Avatar
    Can this one support 4K?
    I'm sorry, I have not tested on 4K monitors. I regulrly use it on my HP x2301, which is low-res already. He he
    07-08-2014 07:34 PM
  16. alienking70's Avatar
    OK school me up a bit.... I have the surface pro. I have a MicroUSB HD Video Out port, is this not HDMI with a different connector?
    07-08-2014 07:46 PM
  17. onlysublime's Avatar
    I think the daisy chain feature of DP is the little known fact that makes it much more versatile.
    yeah, daisychaining is the big win for PCs. You could hook up 3 DP monitors (is there a limit???) to a Surface Pro/2/3.

    Right now, to get multiple monitors on more traditional PCs, you need a video card with lots of outputs (one per monitor) or use a video card in combination with onboard video. still clunky with multiple cables coming from the PC.
    07-08-2014 10:47 PM
  18. azcruz's Avatar
    OK school me up a bit.... I have the surface pro. I have a MicroUSB HD Video Out port, is this not HDMI with a different connector?
    See the photo of my Surface Pro with DisplayPort to HDMI adaptor posted above.
    07-09-2014 12:48 AM
  19. navierstokez's Avatar
    This might be a bit late.

    What I am talking about is a cable that terminates in an hdmi on one end and the other goes to a mini display port.
    I don't think that qualifies as an adapter, coz then a USB a to mini is an adapter.
    The point is you carry only one cable coz the other end goes to hdmi.

    See link.

    Search result for hdmi to mini display - Monoprice.com
    Don't need to buy an adapter. You sp3 will only accept mini display port anyways.
    Hope this helps.
    07-09-2014 12:25 PM
  20. hopmedic's Avatar
    Does anyone know of an inexpensive mini-DP to dual connector, whether the dual is HDMI, DVI, or VGA?
    07-09-2014 02:43 PM
  21. mozman68's Avatar
    Does anyone know of an inexpensive mini-DP to dual connector, whether the dual is HDMI, DVI, or VGA?
    You want two HDMI or DVI or VGA outputs in the same connector? Never have seen one.

    I spoke too soon... just clicked on the monoprice link above and there it was on the same page. But you will still need a mini display port cable to connect the box to the SP3.

    https://forums.windowscentral.com/e?...token=4Nwt18GN
    hopmedic likes this.
    07-09-2014 08:22 PM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    You want two HDMI or DVI or VGA outputs in the same connector? Never have seen one.

    I spoke too soon... just clicked on the monoprice link above and there it was on the same page. But you will still need a mini display port cable to connect the box to the SP3.

    Mini DisplayPort to HDMI (2x HDMI Output) Converter w/ Audio - Monoprice.com
    That's nifty. More than I wanted to spend, and larger, but that's the idea. Picture something like the 3-way adapter above, but with two of the same outputs, whether it be HDMI, DVI, or VGA, instead of the one of each, and let it run two monitors without one of them being a mirror of the other. As it is now, I have a 3 way adapter like above, output that to one monitor, and a USB video adapter to DVI going to another. I have them on articulating arms, higher than the Surface, so if you can picture it, the three look like an inverted pyramid. Get a DP adapter that will drive both monitors and eliminate the USB video adapter (Hey - there's only one USB port, right? )
    07-09-2014 09:07 PM
  23. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    07-09-2014 09:24 PM
  24. strollin's Avatar
    How does using an adapter with multiple outputs differ from using monitors that support "daisy chaining" because they have both DisplayPort In and Out? It seems the adapter would work to support multiple monitors regardless of whether or not they have an output but is the performance and capabilities the same?
    07-10-2014 08:37 AM
  25. hopmedic's Avatar
    How does using an adapter with multiple outputs differ from using monitors that support "daisy chaining" because they have both DisplayPort In and Out? It seems the adapter would work to support multiple monitors regardless of whether or not they have an output but is the performance and capabilities the same?
    The monitors I already have do not have DisplayPort.
    07-10-2014 09:13 AM

Similar Threads

  1. loading 930 rom onto the icon
    By Iain_S in forum Nokia Lumia Icon
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 11-16-2014, 04:00 PM
  2. Is the Surface 2 still worth buying?
    By kansasandroid1 in forum Microsoft Surface 2
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 08-25-2014, 01:04 PM
  3. WTS: Original Surface charger by Microsoft
    By bulls96 in forum Marketplace Archive
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 07-15-2014, 06:09 AM
  4. Apps opened on their own?
    By squire777 in forum Windows Phone 8.1 Preview for Developers
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-08-2014, 12:00 AM
  5. About to pull the trigger on the Dell Venue 11 Pro
    By skstrials in forum General Desktop, Laptop & Tablet Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-07-2014, 07:54 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD