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  1. berty6294's Avatar
    Idk what xbox music is like for somebody who doesn't have the Xbox music pass... but as somebody who DOES use the music pass, Xbox music is a gift from heaven! If I play something I like on my pc at home, I add it to my collection. Turn on my surface at school and BAM there it is! Right in my collection! If I want to play that file when I'm offline I just download it real quick and its available whenever I want! Even on my phone everything shows up nicely! If I not want to have to stream a particular album I just download it to my phone and its available without using my data.

    I don't understand everyones fuss over this.
    04-15-2013 10:51 AM
  2. GSOgymrat's Avatar
    I don't understand everyones fuss over this.
    Please allow me to explain the fuss. I transitioned from Zune Music Pass to Xbox Music Pass. I listen to a lot of music and I loved Zune Music Pass, which was $14.99 per month including 10 songs I could download and own (I miss that plan). Zune desktop made it easy to organize your music, see which tracks you owned, chat with other Zune owners, etc. So when Microsoft announced the change to Xbox Music I anticipated it would have even more features. Unfortunately Xbox Music app was a step backwards.

    - Initially Xbox Music app was unbelievably slow, particularly on Surface RT, and while it is still not fast it has at least become bearable.

    - Initially I could not get Xbox Music to recognize my Windows phone and then when that problem was resolved the playlists would not synch properly, for example on my Surface I had playlist "Country Favs" and on my phone I had "Country Favs" listed 5 times with no tracks. I somehow got that resolved.

    - Music management on Xbox Music is much more cumbersome than Zune desktop. How do I see a list of songs that I own rather than songs I have downloaded with Xbox Music Pass? How do I identify songs I like? Where are the little Zune hearts?

    - The biggest problem I have at the moment is I can't change playlists on my phone and have those changes synch to my other devices.

    - The social component of Zune is gone and nothing replaced it. With Spotify I can share songs and playlists with friends or on Facebook.

    - Am I the only one who experiences a skip with every song I stream 5 second before the track ends?

    I still use Xbox Music and Microsoft has made improvements. They have fixed some initial glaring problems-- I am now able to return to the home screen after exploring artists and they included a "Now Playing" list. I admit that part of my dissatisfaction with Xbox Music is that Zune worked perfectly and I am the victim of my own expectations.
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    04-15-2013 12:09 PM
  3. berty6294's Avatar
    Please allow me to explain the fuss. I transitioned from Zune Music Pass to Xbox Music Pass. I listen to a lot of music and I loved Zune Music Pass, which was $14.99 per month including 10 songs I could download and own (I miss that plan). Zune desktop made it easy to organize your music, see which tracks you owned, chat with other Zune owners, etc. So when Microsoft announced the change to Xbox Music I anticipated it would have even more features. Unfortunately Xbox Music app was a step backwards.

    - Initially Xbox Music app was unbelievably slow, particularly on Surface RT, and while it is still not fast it has at least become bearable.

    - Initially I could not get Xbox Music to recognize my Windows phone and then when that problem was resolved the playlists would not synch properly, for example on my Surface I had playlist "Country Favs" and on my phone I had "Country Favs" listed 5 times with no tracks. I somehow got that resolved.

    - Music management on Xbox Music is much more cumbersome than Zune desktop. How do I see a list of songs that I own rather than songs I have downloaded with Xbox Music Pass? How do I identify songs I like? Where are the little Zune hearts?

    - The biggest problem I have at the moment is I can't change playlists on my phone and have those changes synch to my other devices.

    - The social component of Zune is gone and nothing replaced it. With Spotify I can share songs and playlists with friends or on Facebook.

    - Am I the only one who experiences a skip with every song I stream 5 second before the track ends?

    I still use Xbox Music and Microsoft has made improvements. They have fixed some initial glaring problems-- I am now able to return to the home screen after exploring artists and they included a "Now Playing" list. I admit that part of my dissatisfaction with Xbox Music is that Zune worked perfectly and I am the victim of my own expectations.
    - I agree with this point. It is a little slow, but it is getting faster and faster on RT. On desktop it runs just fine!

    - I've never had a problem like that, just a glitch or something for you I guess

    - I guess I'm one who would prefer one library to work from, but I believe you can screen your library to show just your local music or just your cloud music. Zune hearts.. people used those?

    - Zune never offered this. Not a step backwards but parallel I guess. Id love the feature too I agree

    - The social part of Zune was bs in my opinion. I didn't realize people liked it. For the most part I don't think anybody really cared.

    - that is a problem I've had! Only while playing through Bluetooth in my car though... I thought I was alone with that too lol

    I think you have valid points, but I think you are nitpicking. It's a new concept that's getting better and better. I hope with Blue it satisfies everybody
    04-15-2013 02:05 PM
  4. dgr_874's Avatar
    - I agree with this point. It is a little slow, but it is getting faster and faster on RT. On desktop it runs just fine!

    - I've never had a problem like that, just a glitch or something for you I guess

    - I guess I'm one who would prefer one library to work from, but I believe you can screen your library to show just your local music or just your cloud music. Zune hearts.. people used those?

    - Zune never offered this. Not a step backwards but parallel I guess. Id love the feature too I agree

    - The social part of Zune was bs in my opinion. I didn't realize people liked it. For the most part I don't think anybody really cared.

    - that is a problem I've had! Only while playing through Bluetooth in my car though... I thought I was alone with that too lol

    I think you have valid points, but I think you are nitpicking. It's a new concept that's getting better and better. I hope with Blue it satisfies everybody
    I dont see how you can call any points that GSOgymrat brings up nitpicking. He was using a service that fit his needs pretty well and then Microsoft comes out and brags about how wonderful the new service is going to be that replaces it. Then, when the new service comes out, it has much less functionality then what it replaced. To top it off, Microsoft has been almost completely silent about what they are going to do to fix it. That hardly qualifies nitpicking in my book. Everyone has different needs from a service. You obviously find the service satisfactory. Many of us do not. For me, its the last straw. I wanted so bad to like windows phone. I have had 3 over the past year including a brand new lumia 920. But xbox music so mangled my experience that i dont even have it installed anymore. It changed track information without asking. It matched songs automatically that wasnt even close to what the real song was. The Zune software was pretty good and a majorty of people like it and want to go back to it.
    04-15-2013 06:03 PM
  5. berty6294's Avatar
    I dont see how you can call any points that GSOgymrat brings up nitpicking. He was using a service that fit his needs pretty well and then Microsoft comes out and brags about how wonderful the new service is going to be that replaces it. Then, when the new service comes out, it has much less functionality then what it replaced. To top it off, Microsoft has been almost completely silent about what they are going to do to fix it. That hardly qualifies nitpicking in my book. Everyone has different needs from a service. You obviously find the service satisfactory. Many of us do not. For me, its the last straw. I wanted so bad to like windows phone. I have had 3 over the past year including a brand new lumia 920. But xbox music so mangled my experience that i dont even have it installed anymore. It changed track information without asking. It matched songs automatically that wasnt even close to what the real song was. The Zune software was pretty good and a majorty of people like it and want to go back to it.
    um because it is wonderful what they've done to music. Taking somebody's library and making it available on the cloud is awesome! What functionality did they take away? Cause the things he mentioned either belonged to the stupid "Social" aspect of Zune which was complete garbage or things Zune never even had to begin with!

    You can turn off the song matching and cloud services if you so please to do and you're back to the basics which seems to be exactly what you want.
    04-15-2013 08:04 PM
  6. AccentAE86's Avatar
    I have a Surface Pro, but was unaware that it has Intel WiDi. In fact, since it does not have an Intel WiFi chip in it (likely part of the reason MS keeps having to address WiFi connectivity issues with firmware updates), I'm skeptical that it does have WiDi.

    Have you actually run a Surface Pro to an external display through WiDi?
    Like I said, I don't have a surface pro (yet) but I have been told it is Widi compatible. I haven't verified, so it could very well be wrong. Which would make me sad. Hmmm, I might have to hang on to my X220T longer.
    04-15-2013 09:34 PM
  7. John Lukitsh's Avatar
    Like I said, I don't have a surface pro (yet) but I have been told it is Widi compatible. I haven't verified, so it could very well be wrong. Which would make me sad. Hmmm, I might have to hang on to my X220T longer.
    Unfortunately the Surface Pro does not feature WiDi :(
    04-15-2013 10:11 PM
  8. dgr_874's Avatar
    um because it is wonderful what they've done to music. Taking somebody's library and making it available on the cloud is awesome! What functionality did they take away? Cause the things he mentioned either belonged to the stupid "Social" aspect of Zune which was complete garbage or things Zune never even had to begin with!

    You can turn off the song matching and cloud services if you so please to do and you're back to the basics which seems to be exactly what you want.
    Wow, are you really that arrogant? Just because you find some aspect of a program "garbage" does not make it so for everyone. I quite enjoyed Zunes social aspect and was exposed to a lot of music that I would have never found otherwise thanks to it. Now, I have no way to share or have music shared with me. As for stuff that "never existed in Zune", I'm starting to doubt that you ever used it. Where are the play counts so you can make playlists based on them? Where are the song ratings so you can rate your music? How easy is it to make a playlist on the phone and then determine what order you want your songs in? (hint, you cant on Xbox music, but you sure could on Zune!). Stuff like this was important to me and many others. I liked making playlists based many different factors that gave me a unique playlist every time I synced. Oh ya, I could wirelessly sync those playlists too, can't do that anymore with Xbox music either.

    I'm happy that Xbox music works for you. I really am. But, there are many, many, many more for who it does not work. I certainly don't want this to degrade into a bash session so ill have to just agree to disagree with you about Xbox music.
    04-16-2013 12:04 AM
  9. berty6294's Avatar
    Wow, are you really that arrogant? Just because you find some aspect of a program "garbage" does not make it so for everyone. I quite enjoyed Zunes social aspect and was exposed to a lot of music that I would have never found otherwise thanks to it. Now, I have no way to share or have music shared with me. As for stuff that "never existed in Zune", I'm starting to doubt that you ever used it. Where are the play counts so you can make playlists based on them? Where are the song ratings so you can rate your music? How easy is it to make a playlist on the phone and then determine what order you want your songs in? (hint, you cant on Xbox music, but you sure could on Zune!). Stuff like this was important to me and many others. I liked making playlists based many different factors that gave me a unique playlist every time I synced. Oh ya, I could wirelessly sync those playlists too, can't do that anymore with Xbox music either.

    I'm happy that Xbox music works for you. I really am. But, there are many, many, many more for who it does not work. I certainly don't want this to degrade into a bash session so ill have to just agree to disagree with you about Xbox music.
    Oh please, the social aspect of Zune was a disgrace. You're actually the first person I've heard of that actually used the social features. The only cool part, maybe, that I miss, is looking at my play count for each artist or song. And those are mostly the only things they left out of Xbox music (except wireless sync).

    And yes, Xbox music allows you to create playlists on the device but not edit them. Just like Zune.
    04-16-2013 12:19 AM
  10. dgr_874's Avatar
    Oh please, the social aspect of Zune was a disgrace. You're actually the first person I've heard of that actually used the social features. The only cool part, maybe, that I miss, is looking at my play count for each artist or song. And those are mostly the only things they left out of Xbox music (except wireless sync).

    And yes, Xbox music allows you to create playlists on the device but not edit them. Just like Zune.
    So you admit that xbox music leaves out good things that zune had then? Geez, how hard was that? Look, i like the xbox music as a concept. Many people do. I can see the eventual value in it. But, right now its a complete fail if you have any of your own purchased music. Just do a google search and see all the threads everywhere about how bad it is. Random stuff gets uploaded and matched to just weird random songs. I see it on my own computer every night as i struggle to make it work properly. I even signed up for an xbox music pass for a month to get a feel for how it is when im completely in the ecosystem. If you only use the music pass, im sure everything downloads and works well. But, for those of us with an extensive music collection already, it it a fail of epic proportions.
    04-16-2013 01:11 AM
  11. HeyCori's Avatar
    I've been using a work iPad for a lot longer than I have my Surface. In fact, I just got out of an hour long meeting about what we're using our iPads for next. But when it comes to day-to-day functionality I would not want to give up my Surface. Just the other day I needed to transfer some files from my external hard drive to my Lumia 920. The Surface only has one USB, so I could transfer the files to the from the HDD first, name and reorganize everything, then plug in my phone.

    Instead, I plugged them all in! I have a USB hub that provides four extra ports. So I plugged in the dongle for my wireless keyboard/mouse. I plugged in my 920 and the external HDD. Then I plugged in my 1080p monitor via HDMI and switched to desktop mode. Transferring and renaming all those files was easy. I could do everything I wanted to do with no restrictions. File management in desktop mode can't be beat on any tablet. Multitasking is amazing. The addition of my USB hub just completes the package. I could never do such a thing on the iPad or (as far as I know) on most Android tablets.

    Sure, not everyone has or will buy a USB hub, HDMI cable, or wireless keyboard/mouse, but at least I have that option. An option I abuse on a regular basis.
    04-16-2013 04:17 PM
  12. dgr_874's Avatar
    I've been using a work iPad for a lot longer than I have my Surface. In fact, I just got out of an hour long meeting about what we're using our iPads for next. But when it comes to day-to-day functionality I would not want to give up my Surface. Just the other day I needed to transfer some files from my external hard drive to my Lumia 920. The Surface only has one USB, so I could transfer the files to the from the HDD first, name and reorganize everything, then plug in my phone.

    Instead, I plugged them all in! I have a USB hub that provides four extra ports. So I plugged in the dongle for my wireless keyboard/mouse. I plugged in my 920 and the external HDD. Then I plugged in my 1080p monitor via HDMI and switched to desktop mode. Transferring and renaming all those files was easy. I could do everything I wanted to do with no restrictions. File management in desktop mode can't be beat on any tablet. Multitasking is amazing. The addition of my USB hub just completes the package. I could never do such a thing on the iPad or (as far as I know) on most Android tablets.

    Sure, not everyone has or will buy a USB hub, HDMI cable, or wireless keyboard/mouse, but at least I have that option. An option I abuse on a regular basis.
    Is this a surface pro or RT?
    04-16-2013 05:20 PM
  13. HeyCori's Avatar
    is this a surface pro or rt?
    rt.
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    04-16-2013 06:32 PM
  14. dgr_874's Avatar
    I know the thread has been dead for a while but I wanted to say that I went back and really tried to make Xbox music work. Surprisingly I did. I had to pretty much delete my entire collection and start over adding albums one at a time and making sure they were matched properly. Its a hassle for sure. But, it is working now, no question. It certainly would have been a lot easier to just ditch my personal collection and rely on the xbox music pass for everything. I did that for a few days and it worked brilliantly. Playlists are still hit or miss and need lots of work to sync properly. I can say that if your only interested in xbox music and don't mind deleting your personal collection, it could work well for you.
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    04-21-2013 01:32 AM
  15. Dratwister's Avatar
    Woot, back from trip and the result: Not only she bride love it and want to buy it, but also her husband and their friends love it too =)) They all fall in love with my Surface.
    The only thing hold her back right now is her iPhone and the lack of ability to type in TELEX of surface.
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    04-23-2013 10:43 AM
  16. ainkor's Avatar
    I bought a Surface RT and loved the format and REAL Excel which I use and abuse for work. Right after I bought it a company that produces a key piece of software that I have to use for work announced they wouldn't support Windows RT after saying for 6 months they would. Returned my RT and got the pro and I am loving it.

    I really just use my iPad as a 24 hour WiFi hotspot now :P

    Bummed about my HTC 8x though. Stupid loud sound when you plug in a wired headset caused me to lose hearing in an ear for three days. Waiting to see if it gets fixed because the synchronicity of a WP8 phone and a W8 tablet/computer are too good a thing.
    05-01-2013 11:06 PM
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