01-05-2014 08:27 AM
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  1. dkp23's Avatar
    So im sure people with the 1020 have noticed the post processing issues with pictures on the 1020.

    Where when you take a picture, it looks great on screen and when you open to see it, you can clearly see the yellowish tint change and smoothing of the picture about half a second after you open it.

    My opinion, the picture looks great prior to the post process, so i hoped nokia "fixed" it as much as possible. Pictures i thought reflected the color correctly and also very very detailed and sharp. Then after processing, not so much.

    Anyway, i haven't taken a picture in awhile until yesterday so i took a few pictures and expecting to see the tinting after opening, i didnt see anymore. So i took a few more pictures and it looks like the tinting is gone, at least on my phone. Not sure if anybody experiencing same thing.

    Before you would also see the picture smooth out, less sharp, while the yellow tinting is gone, the smoothing out is almost completely gone as well, at first i thought it was gone, but you really have to look close and focus to actually see the smoothing effect.

    While not gone, very minimal at this point, so looks like or at least in my experience, gdr 3 preview "fixed" the yellow tintiing issue, but minimized the smoothing effect. odd because gdr3 is an MS update, not nokia. So who knows.

    Maybe seeing things?

    Thoughts?
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    10-29-2013 04:28 PM
  2. PB_H's Avatar
    take a picture inside during the day in low light ( no direct sun) with a scene with a lot of white in it...do you see yellow/green in the white areas of the photo ?
    10-29-2013 05:04 PM
  3. dkp23's Avatar
    take a picture inside during the day in low light ( no direct sun) with a scene with a lot of white in it...do you see yellow/green in the white areas of the photo ?
    The pictures i took were in my apartment at night and with limited lighting, i dont see any color changing, only slight smoothing.
    10-29-2013 05:23 PM
  4. PB_H's Avatar
    No disrespect but posting a picture ( in my reply too) is worth a thousand words, we're talking about photos here
    what I see is different what others see. "the pictures I took" ?

    Take a picture with ambient natural light of a corner of your wall pointed at ceiling, not that it's interesting but
    taking a photo in that light and with limited object tests and shows you the limits and the capabilities of a camera's
    exposure, lens and WB features, set to auto.
    10-29-2013 05:45 PM
  5. dkp23's Avatar
    IM not sure what posting a picture in my reply proves, this isn't about quality of the picture. There is no way for me to take a picture on amber and now on gdr3. This is simply noticing if the tint happens after you check the photo in procam which many people have noticed. The tinting and smoothing. On amber, didn't matter what setting or location, the picture tints after you open it up in procam, you can find many threads on it.

    This post is saying, i dont see the tinting any more on GDR3, but i still see some smoothing and trying to get confirmation if people on gdr3 experiencing the same.

    If this was a thread about "my pictures being better on gdr3", a picture showdown would be needed to confirm, but this thread isnt about picture quality, it is about the tinting issue during the post processing of the picture.
    10-29-2013 06:34 PM
  6. PB_H's Avatar
    IM not sure what posting a picture in my reply proves, this isn't about quality of the picture. There is no way for me to take a picture on amber and now on gdr3. This is simply noticing if the tint happens after you check the photo in procam which many people have noticed. The tinting and smoothing. On amber, didn't matter what setting or location, the picture tints after you open it up in procam, you can find many threads on it.

    This post is saying, i dont see the tinting any more on GDR3, but i still see some smoothing and trying to get confirmation if people on gdr3 experiencing the same.

    If this was a thread about "my pictures being better on gdr3", a picture showdown would be needed to confirm, but this thread isnt about picture quality, it is about the tinting issue during the post processing of the picture.
    I know that but the tint is on NOKIA Camera just like it is/was with Pro Cam.
    Perhaps you don't see it, and perhaps you don't care but the point is I can't see what you see by your words alone.

    You can also take a screen shot before you take a picture in live view /and a screen shot post processing.

    I don't see "smoothing" ? (vague description at best, never seen that when it comes to photography ) but perhaps we
    don't mean the same thing -I'm not even sure what that means -therein lies the issue.
    When you are talking about a visual medium words are a poor substitution for show me. Good luck.
    Last edited by PB_H; 10-29-2013 at 07:39 PM.
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    10-29-2013 07:24 PM
  7. Chazn's Avatar
    No, the yellow tint issue is still present. Here's a picture of my dog sleeping at night. One before (a screenshot) and after processing.
    Very low lit room with the only light source being my bed lamp.

    Before:
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    After:
    wp_20131030_02_39_29_pro.jpg
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    10-29-2013 11:38 PM
  8. PB_H's Avatar
    No, the yellow tint issue is still present. Here's a picture of my dog sleeping at night. One before (a screenshot) and after processing.
    Very low lit room with the only light source being my bed lamp.

    Before:
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    I can fix most of those issues by adjusting WB and if lighting is a mixed source ie. florescent and incandescent
    -even the most sophisticated WB set on auto in $1000 cameras have issues.
    Some cameras you adjust auto WB and there you can move the scales with more or less blue or red, green or yellow.

    "Problem" with Nokia Camera/Pro Cam is peeps* are lazy and set things to auto and don't take advantage of the manual adjustments...it would be nice if the Nokia Camera had a White Card pre set option that way you could use a piece of white paper and set WB to the scene.

    * not saying you are, just making a generalization.

    ps you should have taken a screen shot in "live view" so we could see what you saw before to took the picture and Saving...
    10-30-2013 04:02 PM
  9. blue1k's Avatar
    Noticed another bug.

    Take a photo in dimmer light inside and set ISO to 100 with flash. Photo comes out orange. WB has no effect

    Take the same photo but leave ISO to auto with flash and photo is still a bit yellow but much more realistic. The pic info shows the ISO as 100!

    I just hate how poor the photos of my daughter are turning out. Sure, I could use a longer exposure for static shots but it's not possible with moving subjects. My S3 and S4 took better low light portraits inside than this. :(
    Most of my shots are portraits so I'm starting to leave my phone and use my SLR instead :(

    On long exposure the night shots are amazing (see my pumpkin photo in photo thread) but with flash they suck even for close range shots. Nokia needs to address this.
    10-31-2013 09:10 AM
  10. iliramove's Avatar
    If you read on most websites review of the Lumia 1020, its known that the shots taken indoors will give a pretty off exposure.

    The issue is not for GDR3 to fix. Its for the next Nokia Black to correct in the firmware.

    Software fix is one thing. Firmware fix is another.

    Sent from my mobile Tapatalk
    10-31-2013 10:05 AM
  11. Blacklac's Avatar
    It simply appears the processing is either faster or takes place during the "Saving" timeframe. I still get the off WB occasionally, but I dont see it happen before my eyes when I open a new picture. (FWIW, I have the Photo Preview off).
    10-31-2013 12:38 PM
  12. PB_H's Avatar
    I would suggest that peeps find find a camera with no options, no manual overrides in the menu other than AUTO and maybe flash ON/OFF
    PRO CAM (and it's follow up Nokia Cam) -"Pro" is a indication as what it's intent is for, not that you have to be a professional but learning
    about a camera and settings is needed in order to benefit from it's software, & that takes time with trial and error.
    Most don't know what to do when they are given the option of manually settting WB ( not auto ) shutter speed, ISO and how these
    settings effect each other in a given scene, - find out what color (K) a flash gives out and then you'll know what WB setting
    to set it to not to get an orange overcast.
    10-31-2013 01:27 PM
  13. blue1k's Avatar
    I would suggest that peeps find find a camera with no options, no manual overrides in the menu other than AUTO and maybe flash ON/OFF
    PRO CAM (and it's follow up Nokia Cam) -"Pro" is a indication as what it's intent is for, not that you have to be a professional but learning
    about a camera and settings is needed in order to benefit from it's software, & that takes time with trial and error.
    Most don't know what to do when they are given the option of manually settting WB ( not auto ) shutter speed, ISO and how these
    settings effect each other in a given scene, - find out what color (K) a flash gives out and then you'll know what WB setting
    to set it to not to get an orange overcast.
    I'm not a newb-I'm well aware of how to use ISO, shutter speed etc. If you read my post I mentioned that changing wb does not change the result. It should but it doesn't. It seems to be a firmware bug of Amber that even the Pro Shot developer has mentioned that he sees under certain ISO . I have taken some amazing photos with device but I can say that even with proper settings the camera is not performing properly on many occasions.. That's the problem. :(
    Last edited by blue1k; 10-31-2013 at 02:45 PM.
    10-31-2013 02:28 PM
  14. buxz777's Avatar
    can easly be cured by setting a low iso and faster shutter speed , the reason for the yellow from what I can see is the wrong settings in auto my 1020 uses 1/30 second for xenon shots most of the time and sometimes a high iso :-/

    now this keeps the shutter open longer then it needs to be , xenon is uber quick much quicker then 1/30 second , set the shutter speed faster and keep the iso low

    this will lead to much less orange shots , have ago yourself and notice the yellow disappear bit by bit as you increase the shutter speed , you will also notice the background get darker the faster you go but the focal point ie a persons face in portrait will be ok just less orange/yellow

    I expect this to get fixed in an update soon

    steve from aas wrote about it too although I think you can go even faster then he chooses to

    Achieving Nokia 808-like Xenon shots on the Lumia 1020

    try it :-)
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    10-31-2013 02:35 PM
  15. PB_H's Avatar
    I don't see any orange when I set ISO to 100 with flash enabled and all the other settings on AUTO taken inside in very low light.
    0.

    Picture info: exposure compensation 0.0 -shutter speed 1/12 sec ( set to auto) -WB auto, - ISO 100 set.

    I don't doubt what you see, but I don't get those orange issues.
    10-31-2013 03:48 PM
  16. blue1k's Avatar
    I don't see any orange when I set ISO to 100 with flash enabled and all the other settings on AUTO taken inside in very low light.
    0.

    Picture info: exposure compensation 0.0 -shutter speed 1/12 sec ( set to auto) -WB auto, - ISO 100 set.

    I don't doubt what you see, but I don't get those orange issues.
    Hmm. Maybe it's my device. It's pretty bad. :( More testing needed
    10-31-2013 04:34 PM
  17. buxz777's Avatar
    I don't see any orange when I set ISO to 100 with flash enabled and all the other settings on AUTO taken inside in very low light.
    0.

    Picture info: exposure compensation 0.0 -shutter speed 1/12 sec ( set to auto) -WB auto, - ISO 100 set.

    I don't doubt what you see, but I don't get those orange issues.
    in very low light you wont see it as much because the slow shutter speed for xenon pollutes the image with false light ie wall lights , light bulbs above , street lights etc so if your using xenon in very dark conditions then obviously there is minimal false light to pollute the image!!! hence why your not seeing the orange or yellow with xenon , use it in a room with false lighting and it will become orange/yellow its been discussed loads on many forums and this website too

    this is when speeding up the shutter speed will get rid of orange/yellow cast to images
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    11-01-2013 12:40 AM
  18. PB_H's Avatar
    in very low light you wont see it as much because the slow shutter speed for xenon pollutes the image with false light ie wall lights , light bulbs above , street lights etc so if your using xenon in very dark conditions then obviously there is minimal false light to pollute the image!!! hence why your not seeing the orange or yellow with xenon , use it in a room with false lighting and it will become orange/yellow its been discussed loads on many forums and this website too

    this is when speeding up the shutter speed will get rid of orange/yellow cast to images
    I just photographed a lamp with florescent light mixed with closed venetian blinds in a, set at 100 ISO, with flash, 1/13 sec, no orange.
    Do I need to try to recreate this ? because I don't see orange or dead people when shooting normally in that type of scenario.
    11-01-2013 02:41 PM
  19. PB_H's Avatar
    in very low light you wont see it as much because the slow shutter speed for xenon pollutes the image with false light ie wall lights , light bulbs above , street lights etc so if your using xenon in very dark conditions then obviously there is minimal false light to pollute the image!!! hence why your not seeing the orange or yellow with xenon , use it in a room with false lighting and it will become orange/yellow its been discussed loads on many forums and this website too

    this is when speeding up the shutter speed will get rid of orange/yellow cast to images
    Here you said: can easily be cured by setting a low iso and faster shutter speed
    so it's both a slow shutter speed and a fast shutter speed that you won't see orange in low light when set to 100 and using flash ?
    11-01-2013 02:46 PM
  20. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    same result for me on 928 after gdr3 and manual settings but some don't believe it
    11-01-2013 02:46 PM
  21. PB_H's Avatar
    same result for me on 928 after gdr3 and manual settings but some don't believe it
    What "same" results no orange or orange ?- there are several views here/
    11-01-2013 02:54 PM
  22. blue1k's Avatar
    I've been experimenting with the sports mode at night with flash. It keeps the shutter around 1/60-1/80 with a low ISO. Limited yellowing and no orange tint. Works ok!
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    11-01-2013 09:27 PM
  23. buxz777's Avatar
    Here you said: can easily be cured by setting a low iso and faster shutter speed
    so it's both a slow shutter speed and a fast shutter speed that you won't see orange in low light when set to 100 and using flash ?
    lmao if you actually read the whole sentence and not created one with the bit you just highlighted to try and twist my words it says --

    in very low light you wont see it as much because the slow shutter speed for xenon pollutes the image with false light ie wall lights , light bulbs above , street lights etc so if your using xenon in very dark conditions then obviously there is minimal false light to pollute the image!
    so I am saying that you wouldn't see it with a slow shutter speed in very dark conditions because there is no false light to pollute the image?? its pretty simple to understand?? how you misunderstood that I will never know I can only guess your smoking some strong stuff , trying to twist my words for fun , just reads what they want to read

    so you under stand I will try to say it a bit clearer for you yeah ;-) slow shutter speeds leads to polloution from false lights , in complete darkness there is no false lights to pollute the image so a slow shutter speed in these conditions wont have an orange tint , now where there is false light a faster shutter speed with xenon flash will not get light polloution from false lights and have a much more detail and no orange tint --- see its not that hard to understand unless you start making new sentances out of the original ones and start confusing things ;-)

    false light - slow shutter speed with xenon - light pollution
    no false light - slow shutter speed with xenon - no light pollution
    false light - fast shutter speed with xenon - no light pollution

    just to clarify for you here is two images

    the 1st one auto mode 1/30s shutter speed quite yellow from the false lights and also the fine detail in some places a bit of a mess



    next image shutter speed set at 1/400sec , xenon , now look at the picture , it is much more 808 like , the picture has more detail and no orange glow and less noise for me its a nicer picture and better quality



    if you cant see the orange tint and loss of detail in the pic with 1/30s shutter speed the that's good for you ;-) however I can clearly see it and I am sure pretty much sure everyone else can ;-)

    there was also a discussion on nokia support forums and a mod said they would be looking into it and now the ''black'' update is supposed to fix these little problems so I don't know how your not facing the problem I can only think it is because your eye sensitivity to amber shades isn't as receptive as other people or you just don't want to see it?? I really don't know but to me its as obvious as night turning to day :-)

    ps
    in post 8 someone already showed you what they mean about the orange tint that you cant seem to replicate , your argument was -- people are to lazy to use the manual controls ,but even changing white balance doesn't get rid of the orange tint mate , the camera app settings need work and so does the jpeg processing hence why I said change the shutter speed so its faster if your getting orange tint ...... nokia musty have thought it all needed work too hence the major overhaul in the ''black'' update??

    anyways have a nice day and please if your going to quote me in future please don't misquote me by only highlighting half of my sentence and quote all of the sentence ;-)
    Last edited by buxz777; 11-02-2013 at 04:52 AM.
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    11-02-2013 01:30 AM
  24. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    What "same" results no orange or orange ?- there are several views here/
    Meaning same positive results. No more tint or excessive blur after using manual settings
    11-02-2013 02:17 AM
  25. buxz777's Avatar
    Meaning same positive results. No more tint or excessive blur after using manual settings
    but before changing the settings you were getting an orange tint like in my pictures above?
    11-02-2013 02:26 AM
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