02-18-2014 01:33 PM
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  1. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    No crap the 810 isn't getting the update. For the time being it's the only Lumia device that's confirmed to be not getting Black. If Nokia was trying to get black on the 810 they'd have at least listed it as "pending" not as "unavailable." We've had a thread in the 810 forums that's been floating around. We didn't need reddit to tell us something that obvious. Do I sound bitter? Just a bit. TMO has been dodging all our questions since GDR1, and the rest has been pretty much a bonus.

    Since 8.1 is an MS update, I'm hoping that they'll force it through regardless of the carriers when the time comes.
    Last edited by Angry_Mushroom; 02-14-2014 at 03:04 PM. Reason: New wording choices
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    02-14-2014 03:02 PM
  2. metalchick719's Avatar
    Certainly not new or surprising news for the 810 because it was EOL'd back in May. However, was the 822 also EOL'd?
    02-14-2014 03:33 PM
  3. Ordeith's Avatar
    T-Mobiles treatment of their 810 using customers is pushing this customer to aio.
    snowmutt likes this.
    02-14-2014 03:42 PM
  4. snowmutt's Avatar
    Buying any product on the hopes of future updates is not conducive to a happy experience. If the device does not suit you on Day 1, you should really consider your options.
    EXCEPT that after the WP7 getting left behind after 2 years thing (which was right after the Windows Mobile being left behind thing), MS promised EVERY WP8 device would get updates and supports bar none. 36 months worth to be exact. Heck we have a full thread dedicated to the releases:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ed-thread.html

    Promises. So T-Mobile users (who have more incentive then the average user to stay on one device for as long as they can due to no contracts or subsidies) and Verizon users become early adopters, hear all these great things about YEARS of support and upgrades, and are overjoyed. Hail to WP!!!

    Until they start to hear:

    Nah, not the L810.

    Sorry, not the L822.

    So what about the Icon users? What about carrier specific devices like the L1020 or the L928? Will they be next in the "We meant everyone BUT you guys" department? This was going to be one of those areas MS and WP OEMs were going to stand out and use to slice away at Androids lead.

    I do not care if it is more the carriers fault then MS or Nokia. In the end, it is WP users getting left out, and those are a small group. MS needs repeat users to grow. This only hurts.
    02-14-2014 04:59 PM
  5. rcazador's Avatar
    What happen to that Microsoft Enthusiasts OS upgrade program. Not sure if it ever materialized or had a formal name.
    it did. Google Windows Phone developer preview. That gives you early access to all Wp updates from MS.
    flyingsolid likes this.
    02-14-2014 07:02 PM
  6. rcazador's Avatar
    We will get the black update. Its just 8.1 we won't get unless we have the dev preview.
    that's just FUD
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    02-14-2014 07:02 PM
  7. rcazador's Avatar
    Yes all WP8 devices are upgradable to 8.1 but they don't stipulate that it's at the carrier discretion unless you participate in the developers preview.
    He's just spreading rumors and fear. MS guaranteed 8.1 for all current phones.
    02-14-2014 07:03 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    EXCEPT that after the WP7 getting left behind after 2 years thing (which was right after the Windows Mobile being left behind thing), MS promised EVERY WP8 device would get updates and supports bar none. 36 months worth to be exact. Heck we have a full thread dedicated to the releases:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ed-thread.html

    Promises. So T-Mobile users (who have more incentive then the average user to stay on one device for as long as they can due to no contracts or subsidies) and Verizon users become early adopters, hear all these great things about YEARS of support and upgrades, and are overjoyed. Hail to WP!!!

    Until they start to hear:

    Nah, not the L810.

    Sorry, not the L822.

    So what about the Icon users? What about carrier specific devices like the L1020 or the L928? Will they be next in the "We meant everyone BUT you guys" department? This was going to be one of those areas MS and WP OEMs were going to stand out and use to slice away at Androids lead.

    I do not care if it is more the carriers fault then MS or Nokia. In the end, it is WP users getting left out, and those are a small group. MS needs repeat users to grow. This only hurts.
    If the updates are out, that means MS held up its end of the bargain. I've said it before many times, call out the wretched carriers! Microsoft is too dependent on them to push their product so they're not going to rock the boat. But in the end, it's the WP brand that's getting it up the Hershey Highway and instead of writing nasty letters to Microsoft, we should be crashing AT&T, Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile's servers with emails. I'm a pragmatist by nature and I realize that consumers will take the path of least resistance by jumping ship to iOS or Android. Not because they're better but because it's easier. The carriers will gladly upgrade you and lock you in to a spanking new 2-year contract.

    What WP8 really needs is for some of these bright developers/hackers to unlock the bootloaders and create a new platform for custom ROMs. Updates will be a thing of the past and maybe some creativeness will present a truly viable option to the Evil Empires.
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    02-14-2014 07:11 PM
  9. stephen_az's Avatar
    Hate to have to post this, but if it's true, I wanna get it out there:

    Bad news Lumia 810 AND 822 owners: Nokia confirmed No Lumia Black.! : windowsphone

    According to this Reddit user, he spoke with a Nokia Customer Support rep who says Verizon will NOT be releasing Lumia Black to the 822.
    Same goes for T-Mobile and their equivalent of that model phone. The 810, I guess.

    If true, this SUCKS. Also, if that line about Verizon not wanting Nokia to change the update status page to "Not Available" to avoid backlash is true, that's a very **** move.

    If this turns out to be accurate, I'm hoping to high heaven they won't pull the same thing once Windows Phone 8.1 comes out.
    So if I go create a reddit account and say I talked to Elop and he said the 822 is getting the update, would that make you feel better? What makes anyone think that pizzaboy192, whose ID shows a Lumia 521, has an inside track to a CEO? Seriously, this is not something to take with a grain of salt, it should be tossed into the recycle bin. I would say just the garbage, but people will just pull this out along with every other nonsensical rumor and recycle in a few days/weeks anyway. They will just slap another model number and possibly different manufacturer and CEO and post someplace else.
    02-14-2014 08:34 PM
  10. hopmedic's Avatar
    Like I said, nothing but FUD here. Nothing to see. Let's move along now.
    rcazador and badcat like this.
    02-14-2014 11:34 PM
  11. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Like I said, nothing but FUD here. Nothing to see. Let's move along now.
    it is a ligament worry that can't be dismissed. We do know that carriers tend to drop phones because they can. There is no guarantee that 822 or 810 for that matter will get it. Msft/nokia did their part to provide the update but the carrier can stop it. So its not fud in my eyes
    etad putta and fatclue_98 like this.
    02-15-2014 06:20 PM
  12. ItsMcDiddles's Avatar
    it is a ligament worry that can't be dismissed. We do know that carriers tend to drop phones because they can. There is no guarantee that 822 or 810 for that matter will get it. Msft/nokia did their part to provide the update but the carrier can stop it. So its not fud in my eyes
    If the 822 won't get it then why is it still waiting for approval and not available like the 810. It IS fud.
    02-15-2014 08:35 PM
  13. sahib lopez's Avatar
    If the 822 won't get it then why is it still waiting for approval and not available like the 810. It IS fud.
    by putting waiting approval does not mean they will pass it. They could end up not passing.
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    02-15-2014 09:29 PM
  14. willied's Avatar
    Assume it is coming unless Verizon/Nokia say otherwise in some official form.
    02-15-2014 09:50 PM
  15. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Assume it is coming unless Verizon/Nokia say otherwise in some official form.
    or we can assume its not ...if we look at the update page some phones didn't get amber but maybe are getting black. That is why I stated we don't know for sure if we are getting it. Its a concern that can't be called fud
    02-15-2014 09:57 PM
  16. hopmedic's Avatar
    Yes. Assume it's not FUD if you are a person inclined to spread unfounded rumors.

    It is FUD.
    willied likes this.
    02-16-2014 06:48 AM
  17. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Yes. Assume it's not FUD if you are a person inclined to spread unfounded rumors.

    It is FUD.
    Wouldn't it still be called FUD if you say it's going t be passed if there is no concrete evidence inclining so ?


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    02-16-2014 10:37 AM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Yes. Assume it's not FUD if you are a person inclined to spread unfounded rumors.

    It is FUD.
    Everything is FUD until it actually happens. After it happens, it's called history.
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    02-16-2014 02:55 PM
  19. hopmedic's Avatar
    Wouldn't it still be called FUD if you say it's going t be passed if there is no concrete evidence inclining so ?
    Given the lack of any evidence at all other than an unfounded rumor, it is FUD. The only "concrete" evidence that there is of anything at all is the status page that says that it is pending approval.

    If you'd rather believe an unfounded rumor than information put out by the manufacturer, so be it.
    02-17-2014 08:26 AM
  20. dby2011's Avatar
    Well, looks like it is fud as Verizon updated their support page and posted about a new software update- the pdf file is dated 2/14.
    hopmedic likes this.
    02-17-2014 03:51 PM
  21. hopmedic's Avatar
    Well, looks like it is fud as Verizon updated their support page and posted about a new software update- the pdf file is dated 2/14.
    When will they learn? Thanks, dby2011.

    For those who still doubt, here's the link:
    Software Update: Nokia Lumia 822 | Verizon Wireless
    02-17-2014 09:40 PM
  22. mgkeath's Avatar
    When will they learn? Thanks, dby2011.

    For those who still doubt, here's the link:
    Software Update: Nokia Lumia 822 | Verizon Wireless
    The info. is cerytainly all there, now someone needs to flip that metaphorical switch.
    02-17-2014 09:55 PM
  23. guillams's Avatar
    EXCEPT that after the WP7 getting left behind after 2 years thing (which was right after the Windows Mobile being left behind thing), MS promised EVERY WP8 device would get updates and supports bar none. 36 months worth to be exact. Heck we have a full thread dedicated to the releases:

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...ed-thread.html

    Promises. So T-Mobile users (who have more incentive then the average user to stay on one device for as long as they can due to no contracts or subsidies) and Verizon users become early adopters, hear all these great things about YEARS of support and upgrades, and are overjoyed. Hail to WP!!!

    Until they start to hear:

    Nah, not the L810.

    Sorry, not the L822.

    So what about the Icon users? What about carrier specific devices like the L1020 or the L928? Will they be next in the "We meant everyone BUT you guys" department? This was going to be one of those areas MS and WP OEMs were going to stand out and use to slice away at Androids lead.

    I do not care if it is more the carriers fault then MS or Nokia. In the end, it is WP users getting left out, and those are a small group. MS needs repeat users to grow. This only hurts.



    see what you read! The Black update is not a Microsoft business, GDR3 is the Microsoft business and we have already in all windows phone 8 devices, so, Microsoft till now have been keeping the promise of support to all windows phone, so what we see here is a Nokia issue, no a MS issue!
    02-17-2014 10:16 PM
  24. mgkeath's Avatar
    see what you read! The Black update is not a Microsoft business, GDR3 is the Microsoft business and we have already in all windows phone 8 devices, so, Microsoft till now have been keeping the promise of support to all windows phone, so what we see here is a Nokia issue, no a MS issue!
    That's simply not accurate. GDR3 is certainly nowhere near on all WP8 devices. Just as with the Black update, it's up to the carriers to approve OS updates as well. And while we do have the, "Preview for developers" program, that's hardly something that your average WP user will know about or utilize. Those with branded phones are still at the mercy of their carriers regarding when/if they'll receive updates. At least until such time as MSFT has the power/sway with carriers to dictate otherwise.
    02-17-2014 11:39 PM
  25. ssapre's Avatar
    So they now have it for 822 this morning.... you might expect it for 810 may be in a year or something??

    Verizon Lumia 822 now receiving Black software update | Windows Phone Central
    02-18-2014 12:58 PM
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